Best class for solo/beginner?

tweakz

Deadalus - Harshlands wrote: »

For solo purposes, Assassin is a bad class to begin with except for high APS gear and high level.
But for a beginner (except instand cashing) thats a out of the question kinda thing.

The best way to go here is a Venomancer or the Mystic, which is basicly the same (With the Pets).
Venomancer is the old fashion way to solo stuff like lower TT to obtain gear for yourself in a reasonable time but not for making money fast but its easy enough.
Mystic basicly the same but you can heal yourself, but you only have 3 Pets.

Other classes cant solo TT at their level without heavy Cash loss in terms of Pots and Charms.
And no, we dont talk about full +10/12 gear here, i mean average +0/3 gear.

Solo questing? Every class can do that, for the most part.
Bosses or FB's require a group or atleast a healer, when you play a BM,Barb,Sin or any other class who can survive the hits of the boss long enough.

Thats all.

Venomancer isn't anywhere near being like a Mystic. Veno's self heal is no where near on par, and their pets generally have far lower HP (Lvl 103 Herc can't even survive those 5k traps that Mystic's summons can). They also tend to use pets as tanks or shields which is way slow and expensive (legendary pet costs).

Mystic's have 4 summons + herbs; not 3.

Veno soloing is boring, extremely slow, expensive, and far more limited.

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

Veno self heal is free

WTF lol? Even a glacial walker survives better than mystic pets. Heads up: mystic pets have **** defense. It's better for the mystic to tank. Mystic pet stats are dependent on gear, venos' aren't. Mystics drain mana pots like the US drains petroleum-->much more expensive than veno

Lyritha - Heavens Tear

Best solo class : any class with the right gear... + multiclient and a cleric as a alt... b:laugh
It is allowed so you should do it.

tweakz

Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Veno self heal is free

WTF lol? Even a glacial walker survives better than mystic pets. Heads up: mystic pets have **** defense. It's better for the mystic to tank. Mystic pet stats are dependent on gear, venos' aren't. Mystics drain mana pots like the US drains petroleum-->much more expensive than veno

No a glacial walker doesn't compare to mystic summons for tank-ability. It can't range tank, it lacks decent HP even with bless, and Mystic pets are better for aggro. There are hits that go bypass defenses.

The only reason mystics tank themselves is because they can, and keep themselves healed while doing so. Nothing to do with tank-ability of pets. Veno should be a better tank than it's pets if it gets heals.

My veno and mystic use about the same amount of MP pots for dd. Veno can't heal, so it should be weighed against a class that can. Mystic is more MP efficient than Cleric for healing and dd.

The mp argument is actually very old.

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

MP pot usage is very important for beginners. Running through 100 herbs a day is expensive on someone starting out.

Wickedbrew - Raging Tide

Barb - lots of HP pots but can solo anything around their level, albeit slowly. On the plus side, people like a good barb in squads
Seeker - good balance in game for staying alive, but pots can add up as well.
Sin - fairly pop n fresh early on, but aps can take care of most mobs you come.across.later on. They are just boring to play
BM - easy to play, and good balance with longevity, but they can be expensive
Mystic - good all around class to play and decent survivability but does go through a lot of mana pots

Any class has its merits, but if its a class in PW, don't expect it to have a free ride. Everything PW is all designed around $$ and milking blindly loyal players for as much as they can.

Kittysama - Raging Tide_1432680721

tweakz wrote: »

No a glacial walker doesn't compare to mystic summons for tank-ability. It can't range tank, it lacks decent HP even with bless, and Mystic pets are better for aggro. There are hits that go bypass defenses.

The only reason mystics tank themselves is because they can, and keep themselves healed while doing so. Nothing to do with tank-ability of pets. Veno should be a better tank than it's pets if it gets heals.

My veno and mystic use about the same amount of MP pots for dd. Veno can't heal, so it should be weighed against a class that can. Mystic is more MP efficient than Cleric for healing and dd.

The mp argument is actually very old.

Kitty doesn't agree a bit with you, though ofc Kitty's experiences on both classes are limited just to -96 gameplay, not 100+. Both mystic's and veno's pets do full dmg on lvl 150 targets. The thing what makes veno pets better tanks are their aggro skills. Veno pets can have Roar and Flesh Ream, both excellent aggro skills. Mystic pets don't have any real aggro skills, they can tank just by damage they do. And from what Kitty has tanked FC bosses with both class's pets against APS sins, Storm Mistress can't keep aggro a bit once sins start sparking. Glacial can by Roaring always when they can. Though even Glacial's aggro keeping abilities are limited to 2.5 APS sins and BMs, if they hit faster sparked(2.86 or more APS), glacial can't keep aggro all the time. At least Kitty's glacial has proved to be better singletarget tank than many FCing barbs these days on RT. Sometimes even keeping aggro from barbsf:laugh

And your point that veno should be better tank than it's pets might be valid at 100+, but before that veno loses to Glacial as tanker 'cause Glacial's Roar creates higher aggro than what veno can do by DDing. Though ofc if veno sparks right at the beginning veno gets aggro for some time, but after spark is over Glacial soon takes aggro.
But of course Glacial can't tank a **** if veno's not controlling it while doing other stuff at the same time. Without veno controlling it's just like barb trying to keep aggro by auto-attacking in normal form(excluding claw barbs from this, they are aggromonsters with all their APS)f:horror

And from Kitty's experiences on both classes Kitty can say that veno hardly needs any pots unlike mystic that should be herbing all the time. Mystic's summons eat mana, heals eat mana, spells eat mana...CONSUMER OF ALL MANA IN THE UNIVERSEf:horror
It's just so much cheaper to play veno, herb costs being just a fraction of mystic's.

Wickedbrew - Raging Tide

Kittysama - Raging Tide wrote: »

Kitty doesn't agree a bit with you, though ofc Kitty's experiences on both classes are limited just to -96 gameplay, not 100+. Both mystic's and veno's pets do full dmg on lvl 150 targets. The thing what makes veno pets better tanks are their aggro skills. Veno pets can have Roar and Flesh Ream, both excellent aggro skills. Mystic pets don't have any real aggro skills, they can tank just by damage they do. And from what Kitty has tanked FC bosses with both class's pets against APS sins, Storm Mistress can't keep aggro a bit once sins start sparking. Glacial can by Roaring always when they can. Though even Glacial's aggro keeping abilities are limited to 2.5 APS sins and BMs, if they hit faster sparked(2.86 or more APS), glacial can't keep aggro all the time. At least Kitty's glacial has proved to be better singletarget tank than many FCing barbs these days on RT. Sometimes even keeping aggro from barbsf:laugh

And your point that veno should be better tank than it's pets might be valid at 100+, but before that veno loses to Glacial as tanker 'cause Glacial's Roar creates higher aggro than what veno can do by DDing. Though ofc if veno sparks right at the beginning veno gets aggro for some time, but after spark is over Glacial soon takes aggro.
But of course Glacial can't tank a **** if veno's not controlling it while doing other stuff at the same time. Without veno controlling it's just like barb trying to keep aggro by auto-attacking in normal form(excluding claw barbs from this, they are aggromonsters with all their APS)f:horror

And from Kitty's experiences on both classes Kitty can say that veno hardly needs any pots unlike mystic that should be herbing all the time. Mystic's summons eat mana, heals eat mana, spells eat mana...CONSUMER OF ALL MANA IN THE UNIVERSEf:horror
It's just so much cheaper to play veno, herb costs being just a fraction of mystic's.

Which kitty are you referring to?

Korpinsulka - Raging Tide

Kittysama - Raging Tide wrote: »

Kitty doesn't agree a bit with you, though ofc Kitty's experiences on both classes are limited just to -96 gameplay, not 100+. Both mystic's and veno's pets do full dmg on lvl 150 targets. The thing what makes veno pets better tanks are their aggro skills. Veno pets can have Roar and Flesh Ream, both excellent aggro skills. Mystic pets don't have any real aggro skills, they can tank just by damage they do. And from what Kitty has tanked FC bosses with both class's pets against APS sins, Storm Mistress can't keep aggro a bit once sins start sparking. Glacial can by Roaring always when they can. Though even Glacial's aggro keeping abilities are limited to 2.5 APS sins and BMs, if they hit faster sparked(2.86 or more APS), glacial can't keep aggro all the time. At least Kitty's glacial has proved to be better singletarget tank than many FCing barbs these days on RT. Sometimes even keeping aggro from barbsf:laugh

And your point that veno should be better tank than it's pets might be valid at 100+, but before that veno loses to Glacial as tanker 'cause Glacial's Roar creates higher aggro than what veno can do by DDing. Though ofc if veno sparks right at the beginning veno gets aggro for some time, but after spark is over Glacial soon takes aggro.
But of course Glacial can't tank a **** if veno's not controlling it while doing other stuff at the same time. Without veno controlling it's just like barb trying to keep aggro by auto-attacking in normal form(excluding claw barbs from this, they are aggromonsters with all their APS)f:horror

And from Kitty's experiences on both classes Kitty can say that veno hardly needs any pots unlike mystic that should be herbing all the time. Mystic's summons eat mana, heals eat mana, spells eat mana...CONSUMER OF ALL MANA IN THE UNIVERSEf:horror
It's just so much cheaper to play veno, herb costs being just a fraction of mystic's.

Get mystic 79 skill for mana. Helps loads.

Kittysama - Raging Tide_1432680721

Wickedbrew - Raging Tide wrote: »

Which kitty are you referring to?

Kitty ofc, the Empress of Perfect World, her reign being Raging Tides. Heavy Metal Kitty who tanks many meleeusers at once. Kitty who has her own private army of her incarnations called "Kitty". Kitty who has Imperiumi(lvl 3 faction) for her not-so-important characters. And Kitty who always trolls in WC. Kitty who sells Popcorn Tickets for Advanced Vending Machines after NWs!(At North Arch. Crossroads, 5k ea)f:cute

Edit: And Kitty who has 150 posts nowf:melon

Korpinsulka - Raging Tide

Kittysama - Raging Tide wrote: »

Kitty ofc, the Empress of Perfect World, her reign being Raging Tides. Heavy Metal Kitty who tanks many meleeusers at once. Kitty who has her own private army of her incarnations called "Kitty". Kitty who has Imperiumi(lvl 3 faction) for her not-so-important characters. And Kitty who always trolls in WC. Kitty who sells Popcorn Tickets for Advanced Vending Machines after NWs!(At North Arch. Crossroads, 5k ea)f:cute

You forgot to mention Kitty who hits the dust when she faces my barb or cleric b:cute

Wickedbrew - Raging Tide

Kittysama - Raging Tide wrote: »

Kitty ofc, the Empress of Perfect World, her reign being Raging Tides. Heavy Metal Kitty who tanks many meleeusers at once. Kitty who has her own private army of her incarnations called "Kitty". Kitty who has Imperiumi(lvl 3 faction) for her not-so-important characters. And Kitty who always trolls in WC. Kitty who sells Popcorn Tickets for Advanced Vending Machines after NWs!(At North Arch. Crossroads, 5k ea)f:cute

So which kitty would that be? I see several kitties of various names on RT.

Or is this that mental affliction that seems to plague the untamed class with third person references to self?

Kittysama - Raging Tide_1432680721

Korpinsulka - Raging Tide wrote: »

You forgot to mention Kitty who hits the dust when she faces my barb or cleric b:cute

Kitty didn't bite dust yesterday when fighting your cleric...until an ebil wizzie came and 1-shot Kitty f:fume

Korpinsulka - Raging Tide

Kittysama - Raging Tide wrote: »

Kitty didn't bite dust yesterday when fighting your cleric...until an ebil wizzie came and 1-shot Kitty f:fume

You would, nonetheless. I can pretty much tank the damage you'd do to me and I can purify all your debuffs off. Purge sucks but luckily I can always rebuff self. b:victory

@ Thread: Venomancer or Mystic is the way to go at early levels for soloing. Also psychic is very considerable option. Mystic might use quite a lot of mana at early levels but they can kill multiple mobs at the same time along veno. Psychic kills incredibly fast and does not use much pots though no one will save them if you get ganked by a bunch of mobs. Mystic probably survives the longest.

So which kitty would that be? I see several kitties of various names on RT.

Or is this that mental affliction that seems to plague the untamed class with third person references to self?

She talks in third person.

MasterPerian - Lost City

Play a Wizard b:victory

tweakz

Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »

MP pot usage is very important for beginners. Running through 100 herbs a day is expensive on someone starting out.

They're handed out like candy for earlier quests.

Wickedbrew - Raging Tide wrote: »

Barb - lots of HP pots but can solo anything around their level, albeit slowly. On the plus side, people like a good barb in squads
Seeker - good balance in game for staying alive, but pots can add up as well.
Sin - fairly pop n fresh early on, but aps can take care of most mobs you come.across.later on. They are just boring to play
BM - easy to play, and good balance with longevity, but they can be expensive
Mystic - good all around class to play and decent survivability but does go through a lot of mana pots

Any class has its merits, but if its a class in PW, don't expect it to have a free ride. Everything PW is all designed around $$ and milking blindly loyal players for as much as they can.

lots of HP pots but can solo anything around their level, albeit slowly

Slowly? Derpapsing can't keep up with an AoE barb when it comes to clearing mobs.

Sins are boring to play if you're derp-aps minded.

Mystic only goes through mana pots more than competitive classes if played poorly.

Traydor_Styx - Raging Tide

Beginning Solo class, eh?

Well most need a charm regardless but, in the beginning venos can solo some of the earlier minibosses.

Veno - Don't need gear behind a pet. Later can heal there HP/MP as well as swap it.
Barb - High HP. Later on has a High damage AoE.

BM - High Defense and has a heal ability. Stuns are there main theme.
Wizzy - I don't recommend this class. Low HP, Low Defense is easy to die.

Cleric - Hard to build right. I like using this for when I am bored and want to help others.
Archer - Hits hard. 60s Give me a problem tho.

Sin - 20-30 is the hardest part of the sin's life. May need to learn Apoth for Life Powders. Apoth being a Crafting Job Lvl 5+
Psy - Attacks fast, hits hard. Long CDs tho.

Seeker - Can afford a MP charm 60+ Go for it. If not, Skip.
Mystic - heals, auto-rez, pet, debuffing plants, both genders available.

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BM/Barb I am working on so ... yeah.

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

tweakz wrote: »

They're handed out like candy for earlier quests.

Please tell me what quest hands out thousands of Herb Yuanxiao; the earlier quest/dreamchaser/stash MP pots barely tickle the MP pool or a pure mag level 50



Slowly? Derpapsing can't keep up with an AoE barb when it comes to clearing mobs.

APS toons (That means barbs, BMs and Sins, plus the occasional highly refined archer) can all AOE mobs just fine, except they can actually do damage

Sins are boring to play if you're derp-aps minded.

APS minded doesn't mean APS 24/7. And APS is fun when done right. Nothing feels so good as

Mystic only goes through mana pots more than competitive classes if played poorly.

I solo'd that Yasheng mob on my noob mystic. At level 27 or so it took about 5 heals and 2 Nature's Vengeaces and some pet stuff to drain my mana completely. I played her about half an hour, most of which was afk flying to quest spots. Usually run down a half or at least a quarter of my free daily charm, doing just pet heal spam and transfusing

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Traydor_Styx - Raging Tide

Never really spammed spark until 89+ (demon). I only really do this due to the atk power with 2.5 aps.
Can kill reg mobs easily with just bp on. o.o

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

Traydor_Styx - Raging Tide wrote: »

Never really spammed spark until 89+ (demon). I only really do this due to the atk power with 2.5 aps.
Can kill reg mobs easily with just bp on. o.o

had a bit of trouble before level 40 (when sin finally got dreamchaser gear) but before that was just single spark-windshield-faceroll mob. As dps scales survivability on a sin just goes up exponentially

Kittysama - Raging Tide_1432680721

Traydor_Styx - Raging Tide wrote: »

Never really spammed spark until 89+ (demon). I only really do this due to the atk power with 2.5 aps.
Can kill reg mobs easily with just bp on. o.o

Just like this. Before APS gears at 80 it's stupid for sin to just keep sparking autoattacking. And besides, against melee-only mobs sin can be safe from dmg by immobilizing them with Tackling Slash and going inside them for the immobilize time. If it's not long enough to kill the mob, it can be stunned and stuff to keep it at bay until another tackling slash is rdy. This is worth trying on melee/magic mobs too as they start magic DDing if immobilized and gone inside them. And like we all know, light armor is better defence against magic than melee(until refined p. def. ornaments come into picture). Against all-magic mobs it's useless to go inside them, better just immobilize them(and silence/stun them) to keep them from escaping and sting them to death quick.
After APS gears(and demon spark, if going demon) kick in, sin's PVE becomes more of a selfbuff-Shadow Jump to target-Rib Strike-Spark-autoattack(-chi skills if under 3.33 APS to get next spark)-Spark-autoattack(-chi skills)-Rib Strike-repeat until enemy dead.f:scared

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

No it isn't

Even if you freeze a caster mob it will only do one hit every 3-4 seconds. Much less damage than letting it hit you with much faster melee

Autoattacking is always better from level 34 on, when you have BP. Tackling shash-->shadow jump (jump second because sometimes mobs slide while frozen) and faceroll. More dps= more paint heals. At level 60 my sin's HP never budges, not even without tackling slash trick

Quilue - Sanctuary

Why are we even arguing about this? Sin is so stupidly faceroll in PvE regardless of what you do. Try playing a BM through the 5x levels with the kiting burning mobs. With Sin I pretty much had chi to single spark every other mob, and the higher damage did a lot in making sure I don't get hit as often. With all the free pots it was just too easy even before BP.


Anyways, as for Mystic, that one charged physical attack is so ridiculous in damage you can pretty much 2 shot mobs and just have your pet tap a few times to finish them off. It's so stupid and mana efficient. Mana gets to be a problem when you have to heal and ress other people though.

Chuck_smith - Sanctuary

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Why are we even arguing about this? Sin is so stupidly faceroll in PvE regardless of what you do. Try playing a BM through the 5x levels with the kiting burning mobs. With Sin I pretty much had chi to single spark every other mob, and the higher damage did a lot in making sure I don't get hit as often. With all the free pots it was just too easy even before BP.


Anyways, as for Mystic, that one charged physical attack is so ridiculous in damage you can pretty much 2 shot mobs and just have your pet tap a few times to finish them off. It's so stupid and mana efficient. Mana gets to be a problem when you have to heal and ress other people though.

I wish people were not stupid as dogs or donkies -_-" like really?

I always knew tweakz was a pile of fail from the start, even worse than some people. Venoes are too expensive... ROFL epic fail. He is still thinking it would help with pets / summons to tank, they are one shots at endgame IJS...

So much wrong with the latest posts, OMG. Especially with you Quilue, 5x levels... Are you kidding or you got the levels mixed up? I have been playing BMs to 70 out of boredom, compared to sin, BMs blow them out of the water... Those levels are easy for BM.