Ha Venos Unite!

manbaby

SO i made a post about a month ago bout HA/AA veno build tht i wasnt sure bout. In the end i went HA and i havent regretted it since. Sure i dont hit as hard as an AA, but i love the survivability, and to me HA is a little bit more versatile.

This post isn't meant to bash LA or AA builts btw, i love all venos b:dirty

Anyway i was making this post to see wht other HA's have for their gear, and share wht they enjoy most bout being HA b:pleased b:victory b:cute

Desdi - Sanctuary

I used to have a HA Venomancer myself but eventually I decided to stick to one and went with AA but I have to say that for as long as I played my HA Venomancer I had a lot of fun and I did love the different kind of playstyle I had with it and different advantages it had.

Regenbogen - Lost City

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

I used to have a HA Venomancer myself but eventually I decided to stick to one and went with AA but I have to say that for as long as I played my HA Venomancer I had a lot of fun and I did love the different kind of playstyle I had with it and different advantages it had.

advantages?

Chuck_smith - Sanctuary

Regenbogen - Lost City wrote: »

advantages?

Facerolling on keyboard and winning? This is the easiest, laziest, no-brainer build for this class, well too powerful I mean. 0.P.DEF debuff, bramble, purge, spark and stun/immobilize is enough to take out many targets with no effort.

manbaby

Chuck_smith - Sanctuary wrote: »

Facerolling on keyboard and winning? This is the easiest, laziest, no-brainer build for this class, well too powerful I mean. 0.P.DEF debuff, bramble, purge, spark and stun/immobilize is enough to take out many targets with no effort.

Im guessing by your post you've never played an HA veno before?? Yes venos have bramble, but it doesnt change from HA to AA, yes we have purge...but it doesnt mean purge alone kills the enemies, and sparking and stunning every class has. Classes like BM, SIN, barbs, and mystics all have stuns and basically all of their stuns r better than a venos. Of the two we have one requires a spark and fox form and the second isn't completely guaranteed though it has a high chance of happening. Both are in two different forms making it not very easy to spam unlike other classes stuns.

Ya we have a high physical def, but what class with HA armor on doesnt?? Considering the amount of points that are needed to make an HA veno, we aren't hitting as hard as AA venos so im not sure where you get the idea that HA venos are some kind of "ROFL BRO WATCH MEH TEH FACEROLL THS NOOB" build b:scorn b:chuckle

Azura - Lost City

Chuck_smith - Sanctuary wrote: »

Facerolling on keyboard and winning? This is the easiest, laziest, no-brainer build for this class, well too powerful I mean. 0.P.DEF debuff, bramble, purge, spark and stun/immobilize is enough to take out many targets with no effort.

Looks like you never played a veno.

I wonder what kind of survivability is the op talking about, and what she has to face...

EvilYeti - Archosaur

Azura - Lost City wrote: »

Looks like you never played a veno.

I wonder what kind of survivability is the op talking about, and what she has to face...

very true Azura +1b:chuckle b:victory

Desdi - Sanctuary

Regenbogen - Lost City wrote: »

advantages?

I'm talking about back in 2009, before R9 and even before Nirvana (that's when I had my HA Venomancer). HA and even LA Venomancer had advantages over AA. The main one was much greater survivability when the average AA builds were 1-2shots and had to hide behind pets.

It's not as effective as it used to be, but it's still probably a fun build to play with.

mistressmuerta

It's true HA may not be as effective as it used to be but it has it's perks. Venomancer damage is awesome if used in conjunction with myriad at the right time(even better if u can get off a zerk crit with fox wallop buff which procs way more often thatn 20% btw on a myriad after changing to human almost 4xdmg). The ability to stay alive is even better. Yesterday in GV cleric went afk and BB popped during stun wave Squad almost wiped but cleric was able to come back and and rez every1 while i literally tanked alone using skills and apoc/pots. Also for the few who will comment well spent alot to get your gear that level...so did the rank r9r3 who talk about thier new awesome survivablity. http://pwcalc.com/565307644e9f06db and chuck you have obviously never played a venomancer b4

EvilYeti - Archosaur

Even with R9 around, i think its a great build, thought it was only one i considered at endgame. Up until endgame i think AA does just fine, but unless your R9 you'll still be a bit squishy.

Though I understand that now instead of having to worry bout physical classes i have to worry more bout magic classes lol, but thts the tradeoff tht comes with the build

Also i personally cant afford R9, and my HA is shared with my barb so it made much more cost efficient for me to go HA. If u you were AA from 1-99 then go HA im not sure if i would recommend it unless your willing to drop some serious cash because it is an expensive build.

But since im paying for basically two toons for the price of one I dont mind, and ive really enjoyed it so far b:pleased

Lulu_B - Lost City

For myself I do have a HA veno and she does very well. yes u dont hit as hard as AA but for myself i prefer to live longer and figure out a way to get through a situation than to be taken down so easily. Also ,for an example, my veno which her stuff is only +3,+5 wep atm ( i know kinda Emberessing) survived against a R9 BM and the BM had a +10 wep. so i think with alittle work and dedication eventually my veno will be something sooner or later. yes do I Think AA is great heck yeah smexy damage js, but for me HA FTW! b:chuckle

Azura - Lost City

mistressmuerta wrote: »

...http://pwcalc.com/565307644e9f06db...

I have more physical def than that HA veno f:sneaky
http://pwcalc.com/0b80dce62409b191#

Chuck_smith - Sanctuary

Azura - Lost City wrote: »

Looks like you never played a veno.

I wonder what kind of survivability is the op talking about, and what she has to face...

Actually I have (my main is a barb), I made most of my coins with my veno when I was playing as her. I'm usually farming with veno though. All I did was basically amp and "play like a sin" As far as people saying HA veno doesn't do as much damage as AA venoes are very untrue. There is tangling mire and armor break and the weapon attack bonus that happens very frequently does more DPS than AA venoes' DPH. Oh yeah, not to forget about puff bird, occult ice, pet's pounce and lucky scarab is good enough to lock players in place.

HA is still a viable build as today, I just find it easier for lazy moments than other classes.

Azura - Lost City

Chuck_smith - Sanctuary wrote: »

Actually I have (my main is a barb), I made most of my coins with my veno when I was playing as her. I'm usually farming with veno though. All I did was basically amp and "play like a sin" As far as people saying HA veno doesn't do as much damage as AA venoes are very untrue. There is tangling mire and armor break and the weapon attack bonus that happens very frequently does more DPS than AA venoes' DPH. Oh yeah, not to forget about puff bird, occult ice, pet's pounce and lucky scarab is good enough to lock players in place.

HA is still a viable build as today, I just find it easier for lazy moments than other classes.

So much work

Fyi, facerolling means: pressing a few buttons and then the target dies. Pressing almost any button will give you a kill.

What you described there is pretty long combo, and you need to wait for the break.

If HA is so viable, why is there no end game ha veno? In lost city there was one, and rerolled to arcane. I know HA can work in low levels, but in end-game a melee veno is specially bad

EvilYeti - Archosaur

Azura - Lost City wrote: »

So much work

Fyi, facerolling means: pressing a few buttons and then the target dies. Pressing almost any button will give you a kill.

What you described there is pretty long combo, and you need to wait for the break.

If HA is so viable, why is there no end game ha veno? In lost city there was one, and rerolled to arcane. I know HA can work in low levels, but in end-game a melee veno is specially bad

Im an HA endgame veno...b:surrender but i still use my magic skills as my main attack rather than melee though there are some nice ones to use

mistressmuerta

Regenbogen - Lost City wrote: »

advantages?

Azura - Lost City wrote: »

I have more physical def than that HA veno f:sneaky
http://pwcalc.com/0b80dce62409b191#

My ring and wep are not recasted yet.......when did this forum become about melee veno...its HA...the only reason i ever use melee is to get off a stunning blow for some sort of combo set up or crit bonus from fox wallop...a veno is played best when utilizing both forms...as for magic hitting hard...magic hits every1 hard end game....use mag def charms

Azura - Lost City

I use both forms too. In fox form I debuff, amp, use chi burn, crush vigor, and sometimes myriad and fossilized curse. f:hush

mistressmuerta

Azura - Lost City wrote: »

I use both forms too. In fox form I debuff, amp, use chi burn, crush vigor, and sometimes myriad and fossilized curse. f:hush

I was referring to your comment about melee not being viable. Therefore i listed melee skills that have viable uses not to be confused with fox form.b:chuckle the debuffs are not melee skills which i hope most veno's would use while in fox form anyway.

once again the forum title is HA veno's unite...not two AA veno's post subtle critiques about how they might be better.

tweakz

mistressmuerta wrote: »

once again the forum title is HA veno's unite...not two AA veno's post subtle critiques about how they might be better.

What are you uniting for then? -Ignorance? This subforum is venomancer; not HA venomancer. If you don't want people seeing weaknesses in the arguments for HA venomancers; stop making threads about them and contributing to them.

To me it's trolling to bring up this topic over and over again.

Kittysama - Raging Tide_1432680721

Kitty ish a HA-veno. And Kitty truly loves the tankiness of HA-veno. For example in NW yesterday night Kitty had 2 T3-weaponed BMs and T3 barb whacking her(they had fashions on so Kitty didn't see their armors, but Kitty saw them all having T3-axes). Result: Kitty lasted about 20 secs until wizzie came and 1-shot Kitty. And Kitty's just lvl 96 with +3/+4-refined 3/4sharded TT90 gears(and FC Gold wand). Also the increased melee attack from having much str gives nice edge against for example own-lvl clerics when Kitty's using AA-armor.
And as Kitty has both gear sets(even different ornies for both, str for HA and -channeling for AA) hotkey'd, Kitty can swap from HA-to-AA and back in couple seconds.
And in FC HA-veno ish also pretty nice, can tank bosses(and even keep aggro from sins) with own-lvl glacial and if it dies in accident, then just swapping to HA-gear until Glacial is back up. And those pulls, can pull like a barb, maybe even bit better due to excessive p. def. f:cute

Kitty ish sorry for taking your job, barbs. But with the apots from Dreamchaser packs Kitty doesn't need you to even buff her f:farewell

Lyritha - Heavens Tear

I don't mind HA / LA venos as I am a LA one

I don't care for the investment of R9 and the fact that I cannot resell it when it obsoletes itself for a little money. It's just not worth investing in to me. So yeah sticking with the NS3 and maybe a trade ready Warsoul weapon. That being said I also have a AA and HA set so I think eventually I might make one of my venos wear all three for the luls.

mistressmuerta

tweakz wrote: »

What are you uniting for then? -Ignorance? This subforum is venomancer; not HA venomancer. If you don't want people seeing weaknesses in the arguments for HA venomancers; stop making threads about them and contributing to them.

To me it's trolling to bring up this topic over and over again.

If you simply read the first comment in the forum perhaps you will have an epiphany and understand the ignorance in your own comment. One person posted why you will be weak against magic. Using the build both azura and i posted, if i equip the same ring r9 and refines as her i will have a 4% less magic damage reduction and 10 def lvls more. We are more than likely going to take the same amount of damage from magic attacks. The other argument was fox melee skills were not effective. I listed two skills and how they were effective. The only reason fox skills are not % based and have low damage adds is due to thier damage potential with an armor break. I have crit 9k on an armor broken bm running with flag in nw freezing him with stunning blow. No one build is better than the other, just comes down to playstyle. It also even says on the official game website that venomancers can wear any of the 3 armors types. It is an intentional build choice by the developers themselves. Come back when you have a valid argument and not being a troll yourself. Then you can make some tweakz b:victory

Chuck_smith - Sanctuary

Azura - Lost City wrote: »

I know HA can work in low levels, but in end-game a melee veno is specially bad

I don't believe so because so far at high levels too I am good at staying alive (maybe because I am most likely used to meleeing maybe :P).

Kittennice - Heavens Tear

Azura - Lost City wrote: »

If HA is so viable, why is there no end game ha veno? In lost city there was one, and rerolled to arcane. I know HA can work in low levels, but in end-game a melee veno is specially bad

HA
ha ha ha ha ha ha

Thanks for the laugh
b:laugh

tweakz

mistressmuerta wrote: »

If you simply read the first comment in the forum perhaps you will have an epiphany and understand the ignorance in your own comment. One person posted why you will be weak against magic. Using the build both azura and i posted, if i equip the same ring r9 and refines as her i will have a 4% less magic damage reduction and 10 def lvls more. We are more than likely going to take the same amount of damage from magic attacks. The other argument was fox melee skills were not effective. I listed two skills and how they were effective. The only reason fox skills are not % based and have low damage adds is due to thier damage potential with an armor break. I have crit 9k on an armor broken bm running with flag in nw freezing him with stunning blow. No one build is better than the other, just comes down to playstyle. It also even says on the official game website that venomancers can wear any of the 3 armors types. It is an intentional build choice by the developers themselves. Come back when you have a valid argument and not being a troll yourself. Then you can make some tweakz b:victory

Did you bother to read what you replied to? b:bye

Regenbogen - Lost City

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm talking about back in 2009, before R9 and even before Nirvana (that's when I had my HA Venomancer). HA and even LA Venomancer had advantages over AA. The main one was much greater survivability when the average AA builds were 1-2shots and had to hide behind pets.

It's not as effective as it used to be, but it's still probably a fun build to play with.

welcome to 2013

i am a full magic r9.3 veno and compared archers and sins, ha veno hit like little girls.

Desdi - Sanctuary

Regenbogen - Lost City wrote: »

welcome to 2013

i am a full magic r9.3 veno and compared archers and sins, ha veno hit like little girls.

There's no reason to make such remarks.
I already said "advantages they had" and you still asked so I responded what I meant.

I know we're in 2013, that's why I said "It's not as effective as it used to be, but it's still probably a fun build to play with". Besides, I've already stated I gave up on my HA one in favor of my AA Venomancer.

OP asked to share what we enjoy or enjoyed about this build and I shared my thoughts.

Pantherlilie - Archosaur

Azura - Lost City wrote: »

I have more physical def than that HA veno f:sneaky
http://pwcalc.com/0b80dce62409b191#

Pffft thats an attack oriented HA veno so of course its def is going to blow assloads. I have a def oriented HA veno and at 87 she has 12K p.def unbuffed. at 100 with gear of that level my def will be higher than that. oh not to mention i hit loads harder because of str is my primary stat not magic.

Azura - Lost City

Pantherlilie - Archosaur wrote: »

Pffft thats an attack oriented HA veno so of course its def is going to blow assloads. I have a def oriented HA veno and at 87 she has 12K p.def unbuffed. at 100 with gear of that level my def will be higher than that. oh not to mention i hit loads harder because of str is my primary stat not magic.

I was once a HA veno, and I remember that heavy armor venos don't have much space to maneuver with their stats. So how can there be any variants to the HA build? Please show in pwcalc, cause I'm very curious. I don't want any "i'm too lazy to do it."

SmurfJegeren - Dreamweaver

Theres actually quite a few ways to make a HA venomancer. You can as examples..

-Maximise magic stat to boost your magic attack, focusing on human form casting.
-Aps/strenght build with magic sword, an actually rather potent melee DD
-All armors, hard to do, but lets you use all 3 armor types
-Hybrid damage, balancing your melee and magic abilities.

An important note for all types of HA venos is to refine the butt out of everything.
Ive used 3 months per G16 pieces(actually gave up refining and sharding after 3 pieces) And then used next months on a G16 ring to boost m.def.

On a side note, I saw a person with R9r3 linking her build. Gratz, your m.atk is pretty much same as my melee veno. When fighting casters, I tend to melee em rather easily, and take down most of em. Tho r9r3 psys +12 is a bit too imblanaced to take down alone for me

edit: and with ring and necklace engraving +G16 capes giving alot of stat points. Its alot easier to be HA today

Chuck_smith - Sanctuary

Venoes were never a DD class, their strengths comes from their debuffs, they do better damage with physical attacks than magic attacks. Of course a pure magic veno would outdamge a veno with minimum magic enough to use weapon, with magic. There is no true gimp, especially with the low tier DPH they have compared to other classes, they do better with DPS than DPH as it is proven from my tests in PVE, PK and duels. Thus making me never use blazing scarab, venomus scarab, noxious gas, lucky scarab (pre-level 11) and using stunning blow (demon version stuns, making it even easier to stunlock) much more often, befuddling mist (which makes even assassins and sins miss me frequently often for some reason and practical for tanking in AOE if you know how to position the mobs), and of course I leech most often which is basically still pretty useful.

My veno is good for this, being an HA build, the only hard part was before 82 where gear is hard to get without that fail -req stat. Everyting else was easy for me, even for PVP f:laugh, i kill even slightly stupid AA venoes as an HA veno pretty easily, a BM claimed that HA venoes were much more of a threat than AA veno and he's a 100ish BM on LC that used to be on the forum.