DPH Sin vs r9 fluffy

Unholly - Morai

Long and rather uneventful 1v1 with Cerbere from morai server

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05C-xuMalEc&feature=youtu.be

Constructive criticism appriciated

Dsholder - Dreamweaver

You should replace holy path with occult ice or frenzy.

You shouldn't hit the barbarian when he has beastial rage ( the red circle buff on )

Don't waste chi double sparking on this barb in particular, because you probably won't do enough damge.

This barbarian is actually squishy compared to what he hits on you, so I'd recommend a Damage per sec approach and get him just beore half hp. At this point, if he's already used his solid shield within the last 40 seconds, just triple spark and occult ice or stun, and then power dash.

I'd also recommend a purge bow to trick the barb into going to stand up to rebuff, this may catch him off guard, allowing you a great position to stun him, dps to about half hp, sleep. At this point he'll be around 15k hp, which will let you spark and kill him in around 3 seconds, so it gives you the large flexibility of stunning and damaging per second.


Another key note: Assassins usually only kill barbarians when tbhe barbarians mess up.

If you'd like to see a good example then here's a video: Azzazin 105 Sin vs. Zeus 105 Barb

Zanryu - Dreamweaver

Dsholder - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You should replace holy path with occult ice or frenzy.

That's probably a playstyle thing. Occult or Frenzy aren't gonna let you get away from a gank.

You shouldn't hit the barbarian when he has beastial rage ( the red circle buff on )

That's horrible advice.

Don't waste chi double sparking on this barb in particular, because you probably won't do enough damge.

Also horrible advice. Gonna have to force defensive options somehow.

This barbarian is actually squishy compared to what he hits on you, so I'd recommend a Damage per sec approach and get him just beore half hp. At this point, if he's already used his solid shield within the last 40 seconds, just triple spark and occult ice or stun, and then power dash.

I'd also recommend a purge bow to trick the barb into going to stand up to rebuff, this may catch him off guard, allowing you a great position to stun him, dps to about half hp, sleep. At this point he'll be around 15k hp, which will let you spark and kill him in around 3 seconds, so it gives you the large flexibility of stunning and damaging per second.

Purge bow is gimicky as **** in a 1v1. The barb will have no fear of your damage and as long as he's got his genie/apo ready he can rebuff quickly enough that it's pretty much a waste of time. Sins aren't meant to sit there and tank hits from an equally geared player, purge bows are for people you can't beat self buffed only. It could allow her the win, but it'd cost her a lot of damage, force no defensive options in the process until purge actually works, and leave her unable to crowd control him or gain chi effectively without letting him get in attack range and switching weapons a lot.

Another key note: Assassins usually only kill barbarians when tbhe barbarians mess up.

Well duh. Barbs are meant to tank a crapton, if they play full defense it's gonna be very difficult to kill one. It's only if they play offense that you're gonna get a good window to do so.

If you'd like to see a good example then here's a video: Azzazin 105 Sin vs. Zeus 105 Barb

Any example involving you is automatically ****. Still remember that day you called me out and got wrecked. You running from Archosaur to that bridge made it somewhat of a pain to kill you, but when you finally stopped and fought you got dropped. Was your mistake stopping to fight? huehuehuehuehuehuehue

No but really. A vid involving you on any barb is a horrible example of anything. Go home, you're drunk. Your advice is bad and you should feel bad.

_Mictian_ - Archosaur

unholly was buffed, cerbere was not

tho i gave cerb some good hints now you should give him a rematch and record it :>

ZooozOOo - Archosaur

great vid b:laugh b:laugh is ur sin josd or vit stone? b:question b:question

Unholly - Morai

Dsholder - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This barbarian is actually squishy compared to what he hits on you, so I'd recommend a Damage per sec approach and get him just beore half hp. At this point, if he's already used his solid shield within the last 40 seconds, just triple spark and occult ice or stun, and then power dash.

If you'd like to see a good example then here's a video: Azzazin 105 Sin vs. Zeus 105 Barb

i was specifialy going for a CoTD DPH assassin play-style and avoiding auto attacks

Dsholder - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Another key note: Assassins usually only kill barbarians when tbhe barbarians mess up.

i kind of believe this when a barb 1v1s with most classes, they normally only die if they mess up or when going for the kill.

_Mictian_ - Archosaur wrote: »

unholly was buffed, cerbere was not

tho i gave cerb some good hints now you should give him a rematch and record it :>

true b:surrender was a kind of informal 1v1 we both came out to west with buffs, and got purged fast. Except for the last fight (video) where he didnt manage to purge me.

great next time i catch him at west ^_^

ZooozOOo - Archosaur wrote: »

great vid b:laugh b:laugh is ur sin josd or vit stone? b:question b:question

Calcs are in the description of the video, i am currently g9 citrine sharded + 4 vit + 3 Jades
Intention of full Vit sharding + 3 Jades on helm

ZooozOOo - Archosaur

b:laugh nice

skaitavia

From what I have noticed in the fight, you weren't chi managing as well as you could be, which would mean you kept gaining more chi than you could hold, meaning you could have used more chi-intensive skills before gaining chi back.

Examples:
1:00 - You Sage Inner Hamony'd at 2.95 sparks, meaning you lost 0.96 of a spark (potentially 1.96 due to Sage's effect). That .96 of a spark could have been a single spark burst, a deep sting, shadow tele, or a throatcut (you proceeded to use a shadow tele after this).
1:17 - You Sage Rising Dragon Strike'd at 3.75 sparks, meaning you lost 1.56 sparks that you could have had use for for other skills.
3:28 - Sage RDS at 2.7 sparks, which is a loss of 0.51 of a spark.
3:47 - Same as 3:28
5:06 - Sage Inner Harmony at 2.55 sparks, which is a loss of .56 of a spark, potentially 1.56. Here your spark burst to IH that you used afterwards would have resulted in the same end result, but with more chi.
5:18 - Sage RDS at 3.5 sparks = loss of 1.31 sparks, which was a huge loss considering your PD combo after that.
6:32 - Sage RDS at 3.1 sparks = loss of 0.91 sparks.

You also could have abused the Tackling Slash range more. Those were the main things I noticed.

Unholly - Morai

Thank you ill work on that, having chi in such abundance on the class has left me rather sloppy in regard to managing it

Zanryu - Dreamweaver

Unholly - Morai wrote: »

Thank you ill work on that, having chi in such abundance on the class has left me rather sloppy in regard to managing it

Too much of a good thing is a bad thing. b:chuckle

Unholly - Morai

Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Too much of a good thing is a bad thing. b:chuckle

always feel a bit bewildering when i come back from playing a non sin and find i can build 3.5-4.5 sparks in 2 moves.
Still wouldn't complain if you could do that on a bm, spray out hf,drakes and roars then boop back to full chi, no genie or apoth burnt
Can nevvver have too much of a good thing you carzy foo f:naughty

Zanryu - Dreamweaver

Unholly - Morai wrote: »

always feel a bit bewildering when i come back from playing a non sin and find i can build 3.5-4.5 sparks in 2 moves.
Still wouldn't complain if you could do that on a bm, spray out hf,drakes and roars then boop back to full chi, no genie or apoth burnt
Can nevvver have too much of a good thing you carzy foo f:naughty

I want that kind of chi gain. b:cry

Joe - Morai

A DPH sin can only kill caster on equal terms and maybe other sins/Archer. Any good BM/Seeker/Barb is unkillable via dph.

Rather go for a 5.0 r9, 3 parts r8 rec dps sin^^ Those are way more dangerous for nearly any other class^^