Coming back to play?

Lucentia - Harshlands

Hiya,

So for a few reasons I've not played for years... I mean years! say 4 years since some serious playing, I did dabble for a little 2 years ago.

Now I've got a decent machine to play on I thought I might again, but clearly there's been a lot of changes.

I'm obviously going to be a bit rusty, and have completely forgotten any story line based stuff.
But that just takes time right? but what worried me was I went back onto HL and it was almost empty! Should I just bail and find a different game (dare I say it but Neverwinter looks quite nice).

Or do I just need to start again on HL or another server maybe? Used to love PWI! Please help me fall in love again.

xx
L

Cotillion - Dreamweaver

Forums aren't usually the best place to ask, as they represent a small portion of the playerbase and have people like me who have quit the game, but check the forums to see if anything's changed for the better.
I can tell you that the story means little to nothing, unless you are personally interested in it.
The game has shifted more and more to cashshop dependance AKA Pay-to-win as the years have gone on to the point where it's widely known as being so. While I'm sure some will argue that point with how you can merchant and whatnot to make the same amount of in-game coin, which is true, it's still a valid point of how cashshop dependant this game has become.
It's all going to depend on you, honestly. Your going to get the extreme biased opinions here mostly. Either fan-boys/gals who blindly love it or haters who blindly hate it. This game still suits some people, others have moved on. I would recommend, if you have it currently installed, just popping into it and finding a half-decent guild and re-familiarize yourself with it for a while and judge for yourself if you want to continue with it.

Lucentia - Harshlands

thanks for an honest reply, I'll dip in and out for a few days/weeks and see how it goes I guess..

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

With the majority of leveling happening in instances (Bounty Hunter in FB instances from 4x until 9x, with Warsong, Lunar and Rebirth thrown into the mix for 10x, plus power leveling in Frostcovered City) rather than questing, the world map is mostly empty on all servers. This means spontaneous main map PK is pretty much dead, but also means that you have a free hand pretty much even on PVP servers if your interest is in questing without being PKed by cherry picking high levels.

If your interest is in PK, there's Nation Wars twice a week, at 8:20 pm server time Friday and Sunday nights.

Crazybladema - Harshlands

Lucentia - Harshlands wrote: »

Hiya,

So for a few reasons I've not played for years... I mean years! say 4 years since some serious playing, I did dabble for a little 2 years ago.

Now I've got a decent machine to play on I thought I might again, but clearly there's been a lot of changes.

I'm obviously going to be a bit rusty, and have completely forgotten any story line based stuff.
But that just takes time right? but what worried me was I went back onto HL and it was almost empty! Should I just bail and find a different game (dare I say it but Neverwinter looks quite nice).

Or do I just need to start again on HL or another server maybe? Used to love PWI! Please help me fall in love again.

xx
L

Pwi isn't the same game it used to be

Your much better off leaving and going to the much better new mmorpgs out there.

YES you should bail to a different game. This one has a ton of glitches. For the most part the community in game has gone pretty bad. Also pwe being the great company it is has introduced more game breaking elements to the game while you were gone.

You will need to spend hundreds of dollars or hundreds upon hundreds of hours farming to pvp or even pve. If you want to pvp and don't buy rank 9 (which is 1500 dollars) you'll get camped by those who use it. On top of that 1500 dollar R9 slush fund you would need to spend 1000 dollars or more on refines.

Even if you manage to get all this awesome gear by farming (free) it'll be outdated by the time you get it. If you play the wrong class you get the short end of the stick as well.

In short, run away screaming while you still can and save yourself the trouble.

But if you want to come back that's fine. Just be aware things are far from what they used to be and many people do not like the changes that happened to this game. I myself only come on sometimes just to visit and not much more. Because of all these changes and the way the game went.

Pro tip: Id would even avoid playing neverwinter. Because pwe doesnt care about you, just your money. They will just manage to break that game like this one. Avoid pwe games.

HrunsPanda - Archosaur

Its written again and again and again on these forums that farming for end game equipment is not feasible. You talk about 100s and 100s and 100s of hours.

However, isn't that normal ? I remember playing Diablo2 for example and i think i actually needed much more farming time there to get end game equipment. And thats because there were hackers who provided these runes for my BOTD so i only had to farm much more accessible mid-game stuff to trade for them. If not for that fact, likely no more than 3 BOTD weapons would have ever existed in the game.

I assume it is similar for every other MMORPG actually. If it doesnt take 1000s of hours to farm end game gear, the whole point of gear is moot and you can just as well give everyone the same set of gear upon character creation, be done with the whole gear thing and start pvping.

So yes, it is possible for CSers to take the shortcut while you will need to farm your hours if you dont CS, just like you have to do in every other MMORPG.

Cotillion - Dreamweaver

HrunsPanda - Archosaur wrote: »

I assume it is similar for every other MMORPG actually. If it doesnt take 1000s of hours to farm end game gear, the whole point of gear is moot and you can just as well give everyone the same set of gear upon character creation, be done with the whole gear thing and start pvping.

So yes, it is possible for CSers to take the shortcut while you will need to farm your hours if you dont CS, just like you have to do in every other MMORPG.

You are very wrong on this...you are making an assumption. Some are like PWI in this respect. However some games do have very easy to obtain endgame gear so that you can get into PvP earlier with no option of cashshoppers buying something and facerolling you. There are many MMO's that offer farmable endgame gear, but you dont need to devote your life as a second job to do it like you do here.
This is kind of going off the topic at hand, but you cant say the unreasonable dependance on the cashshop here and brutal amount of farming required to compete with other peoples credit cards is the practice of every other MMO when its not true at all. Try playing some other MMO's before throwing a statement like that out there.

Decus - Dreamweaver

My main problem is the speed at which good gear becomes out-dated. I have a full r9 set +10/12 and I can't be bothered to keep upgrading and re-sharding. There are better games out there. Call me lazy or not pro enough or whatever. In my mind, it's not worth it. The only thing that keeps me playing is a few friends and TW. That's it.

Try out the game and see if you find a niche of people. You can still enjoy much of the PvE aspect (if you don't mind just BHing and only instanced gameplay) if you find a good faction with friends. If you like PvP, I suggest you find another game.

HrunsPanda - Archosaur

Cotillion - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You are very wrong on this...you are making an assumption. Some are like PWI in this respect. However some games do have very easy to obtain endgame gear so that you can get into PvP earlier with no option of cashshoppers buying something and facerolling you. There are many MMO's that offer farmable endgame gear, but you dont need to devote your life as a second job to do it like you do here.
This is kind of going off the topic at hand, but you cant say the unreasonable dependance on the cashshop here and brutal amount of farming required to compete with other peoples credit cards is the practice of every other MMO when its not true at all. Try playing some other MMO's before throwing a statement like that out there.

Weird games that must be I thought RPGs are all about improving your gear and that stuff. If you just want end game gear and PvP. Well... play a 3d shooter or some kind of tekken kind of game or whatever. You dont need a huge world with all kind of instances to get end game gear for free so you can start competing in pvp right away.

Cotillion - Dreamweaver

HrunsPanda - Archosaur wrote: »

Weird games that must be I thought RPGs are all about improving your gear and that stuff. If you just want end game gear and PvP. Well... play a 3d shooter or some kind of tekken kind of game or whatever. You dont need a huge world with all kind of instances to get end game gear for free so you can start competing in pvp right away.

Again...you've obviously never tried or played them since you're passing judgment on them as being like the games you mentioned when they're nothing like that either. Try instead to imagine an MMO where actual skill and class-knowledge is the biggest factor in PvP rather than here where the gear itself is the biggest factor. And huge open world PvE and instances that are run for not only gear, but viable money and mat farming and most importantly fun and not based on RNG. Or actually having seperate sets of PvP and PvE gears that can only be used in one or the other. There's alot more to say about it, but from what you're saying, you're used to the gear treadmill type of MMO and it's hard to paint a picture of anything else to someone used to that until you try it yourself. And doing so would violate these forums rules of mentioning other MMO's anyway and get locked or deleted.
I'm just saying that there's other formulas and ways for managing MMO's that vastly differ from the pointless gear treadmill that PWI chooses to use as its standard and you can't lump them all into the same category as being the same.

Chuck_smith - Sanctuary

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

My main problem is the speed at which good gear becomes out-dated. I have a full r9 set +10/12 and I can't be bothered to keep upgrading and re-sharding. There are better games out there. Call me lazy or not pro enough or whatever. In my mind, it's not worth it. The only thing that keeps me playing is a few friends and TW. That's it.

Try out the game and see if you find a niche of people. You can still enjoy much of the PvE aspect (if you don't mind just BHing and only instanced gameplay) if you find a good faction with friends. If you like PvP, I suggest you find another game.

I'm surprised you got wise this time >.> And people call me a troll for saying PVP in this game is pointless/garbage.

And another reason why not to level to 100+, your gear gets outdated to CS gear.

Decus - Dreamweaver

Chuck_smith - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm surprised you got wise this time >.>

When did I say PvP in this game was great?

Chuck_smith - Sanctuary

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

When did I say PvP in this game was great?

Meant about the R9 part, you realized it was just about the devs milking money out of people but it was too late for you when you got first cast. I hated rank from the start and find that nothing but a waste of real time / money when you could be doing something else for fun.

PVPing on MMOs in general were never good to begin with anyway, I learned a lesson from the previous MMORPG games I played that I became bored of the boring easy fights and just nothing but drama and QQ. Some people may enjoy that but that's not playing a game, that's just bickering >.>.

Jarkhen - Archosaur

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

My main problem is the speed at which good gear becomes out-dated. I have a full r9 set +10/12 and I can't be bothered to keep upgrading and re-sharding. There are better games out there. Call me lazy or not pro enough or whatever. In my mind, it's not worth it. The only thing that keeps me playing is a few friends and TW. That's it.

I think you'll find that gear in this game becomes outdated rather more slowly than a lot of others.

Crazybladema - Harshlands

Jarkhen - Archosaur wrote: »

I think you'll find that gear in this game becomes outdated rather more slowly than a lot of others.

Yet in other well run mmorpgs, certain sets of gear remain pro for years. f:hehe

Eoria - Harshlands

Reroll to a different, more active server if you wish to play again.

Decus - Dreamweaver

Chuck_smith - Sanctuary wrote: »

Meant about the R9 part, you realized it was just about the devs milking money out of people but it was too late for you when you got first cast. I hated rank from the start and find that nothing but a waste of real time / money when you could be doing something else for fun.

Rank never cost me real money, but no one every believes anyone that says that so I'll not bother trying to convince you. To that end, I still have fun so long as I don't focus on being the top-geared.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

Crazybladema - Harshlands wrote: »

You will need to spend hundreds of dollars or hundreds upon hundreds of hours farming to pvp or even pve. If you want to pvp and don't buy rank 9 (which is 1500 dollars) you'll get camped by those who use it. On top of that 1500 dollar R9 slush fund you would need to spend 1000 dollars or more on refines.

ever heard of g16? b:bye
sure, it wont stand against r9rr+12 but that doesnt mean that you wont have fun in NW

Skite - Lost City

Right, so. Quite a few people I've met over the last few days on Lost City have ported over from Harshlands after a long break. Perhaps that would be an option open to you as well, if you do decide to run through a bit.

And please reign this back in from arguing over gears and PvP.

Crazybladema - Harshlands

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

ever heard of g16? b:bye
sure, it wont stand against r9rr+12 but that doesnt mean that you wont have fun in NW

I killed R9rr +12/10 with a r9 +6 axe bro. I probably know more about this game than you. Yes, nation wars was kinda fun too, but there are just better things to do with my time. b:bye

Also feel free to post on your main

The games just going on a downhill trend that many people just don't like. Which is also another reason the OP should avoid this game. More accurately its been on a downhill trend since 2010.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver

Crazybladema - Harshlands wrote: »

I killed R9rr +12/10 with a r9 +6 axe bro.

gratz? so you just proved that, since g16 = r9 (with a bit higher refines perhaps), you don't have to get r9rr+12 to do stuff.

Chuck_smith - Sanctuary

Crazybladema - Harshlands wrote: »

I killed R9rr +12/10 with a r9 +6 axe bro. I probably know more about this game than you. Yes, nation wars was kinda fun too, but there are just better things to do with my time. b:bye

I bet that is in group PVP where that target was debuffed, either that or AFK. That doesn't prove anything. That is still G16 >.>

Crazybladema - Harshlands

Chuck_smith - Sanctuary wrote: »

I bet that is in group PVP where that target was debuffed, either that or AFK. That doesn't prove anything. That is still G16 >.>

Thread needs to go back to the original question of the OP. b:lipcurl

If you want to debate this further make another thread. Where it could be debated further.

I will also ignore any further comments and this derailing topic.

JoeBlack - Harshlands

Crazybladema - Harshlands wrote: »

Pwi isn't the same game it used to be

Your much better off leaving and going to the much better new mmorpgs out there.

YES you should bail to a different game.
You will need to spend hundreds of dollars or hundreds upon hundreds of hours farming to pvp or even pve. If you want to pvp and don't buy rank 9 (which is 1500 dollars) you'll get camped by those who use it. On top of that 1500 dollar R9 slush fund you would need to spend 1000 dollars or more on refines.

Even if you manage to get all this awesome gear by farming (free) it'll be outdated by the time you get it. If you play the wrong class you get the short end of the stick as well.

In short, run away screaming while you still can and save yourself the trouble.

But if you want to come back that's fine. Just be aware things are far from what they used to be and many people do not like the changes that happened to this game. I myself only come on sometimes just to visit and not much more. Because of all these changes and the way the game went.

Pro tip: Id would even avoid playing neverwinter. Because pwe doesnt care about you, just your money. They will just manage to break that game like this one. Avoid pwe games.

+1 with Crazybladema, "AVOID PWE GAMES " b:bye