Seeker the new farming class

FrostLord - Dreamweaver
FrostLord - Dreamweaver Posts: 99 Arc User
edited April 2013 in General Discussion
nowadays with the amount of damage and defense a recast seeker has he can almost farm everything as fast or probably faster then a sin.He can solo Lunar during 2x without any difficulty as he can pull all the mobs of an entire room room and vortex them to death and also they have great debuffs for the bosses along with the survibility level they get with their def lvl bonus and being a pure HA built.They can even solo a full delta all by them self just with bloodpaint to sustain them from large amount of mobs and it really doesn't matter whether they are fully buffed or not for they have an excellent defense for pve. Maybe in higher level TTs he might lack the ability to kill bosses in under 15 seconds but he is a very good assist DD as he can debuff bosses to amplify damage and also can reduce both attack lvl and def lvl of the boss + in some bosses like aps and arma where they curse u...he can even transfer that debuff to the boss giving u a free HF against those bosses. what do u guys think are they are a good farming class???
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  • Zheii - Archosaur
    Zheii - Archosaur Posts: 2,732 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Hmmm... the soloing of all those instances like delta and lunar take a very well geared or very skilled seeker, and I hate to say it... but there aren't may of those.
    Also, sometimes just BP heals aren't enough to keep a seeker alive, so all the crabs and charm ticks to keep someone alive isn't really worth the small amount of profit they will make in.. lets say a TT run?
    I still believe that sins solo and farming ability is and remains to be the best in the game.
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  • FrostLord - Dreamweaver
    FrostLord - Dreamweaver Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Zheii - Archosaur wrote: »
    Hmmm... the soloing of all those instances like delta and lunar take a very well geared or very skilled seeker, and I hate to say it... but there aren't may of those.
    Also, sometimes just BP heals aren't enough to keep a seeker alive, so all the crabs and charm ticks to keep someone alive isn't really worth the small amount of profit they will make in.. lets say a TT run?
    I still believe that sins solo and farming ability is and remains to be the best in the game.

    thats why i mentioned recast seeker u seee...... and yes bp is really quite enough for a seeker i know this coz i got one.......+ i didn't say seeker will solo tt i said it will assist.....and also yes they are a very good money making class if u know how to play em.just go check their skills also its a very good pve based skills!@!!
  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    They way you express yourself makes it difficult to take you seriously.
  • FrostLord - Dreamweaver
    FrostLord - Dreamweaver Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    They way you express yourself makes it difficult to take you seriously.
    which part do u find difficulty understand tell me and i wil try and help u out.
  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    You present yourself like a child.
  • FrostLord - Dreamweaver
    FrostLord - Dreamweaver Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Oh!!!!!! even a low geared seeker can farm nicely for instance take oht maps where u farm card bosses....make your seeker vortex with auto recovery mp potting option mostly i set it to 85percent and take a alt with u to go and gather the mobs around the seeker...U wil see them die in secs and all u gotta do is pick the drops.Just check ur encyclopedia for infos on card bosses and which mobs drops them....Mostly map 3 sacred forest is the place to farm these card bosses.
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Silly goose, I can do that on my BM and kill the mobs in 1-2 hits. You're silly. Just a big ol' silly.
  • gyroki
    gyroki Posts: 450 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    You present yourself like a child.

    And Zanryu doesn't like competition b:laugh.
  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    gyroki wrote: »
    And Zanryu doesn't like competition b:laugh.

    At least I have the decency to form coherent sentences. b:cute
  • FrostLord - Dreamweaver
    FrostLord - Dreamweaver Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    You present yourself like a child.

    i dont think a child is capable of doing that after all its just a child!!!! but yes u might say its not the best tread like everyone else after all im not a spammer like u but atleast im trying to share something useful to people who may want to know .....
  • Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary Posts: 3,034 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Sins will always remain superior farmers due to stealth, only instance seekers would excel is lunar since you need quite a large mob kill count, that`s pretty much it. Nonetheless seekers are incredibly OP even with mediocre gear, as for sins you need rather good gear to farm efficiently.
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    FrostLord - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    i dont think a child is capable of doing that after all its just a child!!!! but yes u might say its not the best tread like everyone else after all im not a spammer like u but atleast im trying to share something useful to people who may want to know .....

    Also, at least when I post useless ****, I don't pretend like it's important. You're being silly. Stop being silly.
  • FrostLord - Dreamweaver
    FrostLord - Dreamweaver Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Sins will always remain superior farmers due to stealth, only instance seekers would excel is lunar since you need quite a large mob kill count, that`s pretty much it. Nonetheless seekers are incredibly OP even with mediocre gear, as for sins you need rather good gear to farm efficiently.

    yes i do agee that sins are very good farmers but they also have to share the limelight with seeker now.... and no seeekers don't only excel in lunar they also excel in delta,mobs farming and a Great assist debuffing dd in TT+ a very irritating char to kill in pvp also .and yes seeker do well even with mediocre gears because they are HA build and has defense level bonus skills unlike LA sins.
  • Alsiadorra - Sanctuary
    Alsiadorra - Sanctuary Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I remember when Genesis came out, we were the joke class. Highly thought of as mere inferior copies to BMs and everyone had the intent on never inviting us. There was even detailed posts on why seeker was a "terrible class" and that was from other seekers.

    This reminds me of one seeker I met on these boards from RT, not gonna get into that though. Wish he'd come back haha.

    Fast forward years later and we're the class to qq about. I don't think it's a big deal really.
  • trands
    trands Posts: 2
    edited April 2013
    Zheii - Archosaur wrote: »
    Hmmm... the soloing of all those instances like delta and lunar take a very well geared or very skilled seeker, and I hate to say it... but there aren't may of those.
    Also, sometimes just BP heals aren't enough to keep a seeker alive, so all the crabs and charm ticks to keep someone alive isn't really worth the small amount of profit they will make in.. lets say a TT run?
    I still believe that sins solo and farming ability is and remains to be the best in the game.

    Pretty much the same thoughts. When reaching that kind of gear, I kinda expect a bm to be a better farmer. Seekers out-do them on aoe part, but bm would catch up that time fast by carrying some half mediocre -int gear for the bosses. On 1 target, seekers really aren't that great (compared to equally geared others ofc, with +12 r999 it won't be that slow on any class b:laugh).

    And well, imo efficient farmer would always refer to the most efficient soloer as more poeple = less drops per person. Now if you are talking about 2 clients, 1 with a seeker and 1 with a sin, that would probably be the best easy-farm setup. (your bp won't last a full delta anyway)

    The whole "seeker is sooooo OP" is just the reverse of the underrated seeker era during the "omg aps" hype. Exactly like now sage culti is THE thing on assassins.
  • FrostLord - Dreamweaver
    FrostLord - Dreamweaver Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Alsiadorra - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I remember when Genesis came out, we were the joke class. Highly thought of as mere inferior copies to BMs and everyone had the intent on never inviting us. There was even detailed posts on why seeker was a "terrible class" and that was from other seekers.

    This reminds me of one seeker I met on these boards from RT, not gonna get into that though. Wish he'd come back haha.

    Fast forward years later and we're the class to qq about. I don't think it's a big deal really.

    yes only rank 8 for them at that moment+skills didnt have the the same intensity they do now....they were kinda lame mostly on seekers part (sad face) but yes its Good to see all that has changed
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  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    FrostLord - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    nowadays with the amount of damage and defense a recast seeker has he can almost farm everything as fast or probably faster then a sin.He can solo Lunar during 2x without any difficulty as he can pull all the mobs of an entire room room and vortex them to death and also they have great debuffs for the bosses along with the survibility level they get with their def lvl bonus and being a pure HA built.They can even solo a full delta all by them self just with bloodpaint to sustain them from large amount of mobs and it really doesn't matter whether they are fully buffed or not for they have an excellent defense for pve. Maybe in higher level TTs he might lack the ability to kill bosses in under 15 seconds but he is a very good assist DD as he can debuff bosses to amplify damage and also can reduce both attack lvl and def lvl of the boss + in some bosses like aps and arma where they curse u...he can even transfer that debuff to the boss giving u a free HF against those bosses. what do u guys think are they are a good farming class???
    for a bunch of mobs i find seeker to be easier but if im aiming for specific boss farming, id take a sin with equal gear as my seeker any day :s
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  • FrostLord - Dreamweaver
    FrostLord - Dreamweaver Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    trands wrote: »
    Pretty much the same thoughts. When reaching that kind of gear, I kinda expect a bm to be a better farmer. Seekers out-do them on aoe part, but bm would catch up that time fast by carrying some half mediocre -int gear for the bosses. On 1 target, seekers really aren't that great (compared to equally geared others ofc, with +12 r999 it won't be that slow on any class b:laugh).

    And well, imo efficient farmer would always refer to the most efficient soloer as more poeple = less drops per person. Now if you are talking about 2 clients, 1 with a seeker and 1 with a sin, that would probably be the best easy-farm setup.

    The whole "seeker is sooooo OP" is just the reverse of the underrated seeker era during the "omg aps" hype. Exactly like now sage culti is THE thing on assassins.

    remember trans a bm doesnt have the same amount of skils that a seeker has.+ a bm doesnt have any magic skil also+ seeker has more range then a bm....yes seeker are good aoes but that doesnt mean they need to be +12 ....simple recast does it and every body that is rank 9 can recast nowadays....a bm can be a better aps but his debuff skil last only 9 sec with a long cd but a seeker skil has a long duration stay and they get a ton of def lvl also which a bm wont have+ i they are both ways efficient in solo and in group and no im not sayin sins are bad farmer im just saying that seeker also nowadays share the same limelight as a sin
  • FrostLord - Dreamweaver
    FrostLord - Dreamweaver Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »
    for a bunch of mobs i find seeker to be easier but if im aiming for specific boss farming, id take a sin with equal gear as my seeker any day :s

    yes but they can be great assist also
  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    FrostLord - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    remember trans a bm doesnt have the same amount of skils that a seeker has.+ a bm doesnt have any magic skil also+ seeker has more range then a bm....yes seeker are good aoes but that doesnt mean they need to be +12 ....simple recast does it and every body that is rank 9 can recast nowadays....a bm can be a better aps but his debuff skil last only 9 sec with a long cd but a seeker skil has a long duration stay and they get a ton of def lvl also which a bm wont have+ i they are both ways efficient in solo and in group and no im not sayin sins are bad farmer im just saying that seeker also nowadays share the same limelight as a sin

    At the tier of gear required for a Seeker to solo anything at near the same level of a BM or Sin of equal gear the defense levels are hardly relevant. We're talking R9/T3 vana+, both of which offer a significant amount of defense levels on their own. BMs are jam packed with AoEs, granted we don't have vortex but we have more low-cost AoEs and better crowd control in case things get rough. For AoE mob killing Seekers are better due to Vortex, excluding that they won't be too too much better, if at all, than an equally geared BM. As for boss killing, chances are the G16 5APS BM is going to win out. Sorry bro, Seekers aren't the new farming class.
  • Alsiadorra - Sanctuary
    Alsiadorra - Sanctuary Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    FrostLord - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    yes but they can be great assist also

    Hmmm, yeah but the point of farming is to solo, me thinks.
  • Zheii - Archosaur
    Zheii - Archosaur Posts: 2,732 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    FrostLord - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    thats why i mentioned recast seeker u seee...... and yes bp is really quite enough for a seeker i know this coz i got one.......+ i didn't say seeker will solo tt i said it will assist.....and also yes they are a very good money making class if u know how to play em.just go check their skills also its a very good pve based skills!@!!

    Be more specific on what you mean by "recast seeker" please, I'm assuming you mean third recast R9, but you could also be referring to second cast R8, which is a completely different ball game.
    And have you actually tried to solo a lunar boss? many of them interrupt and make it extremely difficult to stay alive on purely bp because we don't have the apps to get the major heals we need and vortex in many cases isn't enough.
    Both cost and time wise sins are more efficient, You can get a 5aps sin with third cast daggers and solo something so fast whoever's watching gets whiplash, which is a **** ton cheaper than fully third casting a seeker to be able to do the same thing, just... not as fast.
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Sins will always remain superior farmers due to stealth, only instance seekers would excel is lunar since you need quite a large mob kill count, that`s pretty much it. Nonetheless seekers are incredibly OP even with mediocre gear, as for sins you need rather good gear to farm efficiently.

    ^this I agree with about sins being superior farmers, but you don't need that much gear to have a great farming sin, these days with NW it doesn't make much to grab a pair of g13/14 daggers and run off with some aps gear and poke things and be a proficient farmer.
    FrostLord - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    yes i do agee that sins are very good farmers but they also have to share the limelight with seeker now.... and no seeekers don't only excel in lunar they also excel in delta,mobs farming and a Great assist debuffing dd in TT+ a very irritating char to kill in pvp also .and yes seeker do well even with mediocre gears because they are HA build and has defense level bonus skills unlike LA sins.

    Idk what kind of gear you are referring to when you say "mediocre" but I've been witness to some pretty bad seekers who honestly would be more help just not being in the squad, at least sins have a useful squad buff, and yea, seekers have many PvE debuffs, but many don't use them at all... ._.'

    No matter how much you try to push seekers as being a better farming toon, you are wrong. very wrong, seekers will never come close to being as able as sins in farming.
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  • FrostLord - Dreamweaver
    FrostLord - Dreamweaver Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    cooooooooodol wrote: »
    He is a small child from India who knows nothing in life aside from PWI.
    Alsiadorra - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Hmmm, yeah but the point of farming is to solo, me thinks.

    not really most people dont solo with one char like myself there wil be a bm,barb sin and seeker probably as a team formation but it differs from people to people
  • Alsiadorra - Sanctuary
    Alsiadorra - Sanctuary Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Careful with that first quote. It'll be perceived as you agreeing with him. @_@
  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    FrostLord - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    not really most people dont solo with one char like myself there wil be a bm,barb sin and seeker probably as a team formation but it differs from people to people

    Using multiple characters, even as one person, changes the term from soloing with one character to soloing with multiple, giving inaccurate perceptions on any of the classes involved ability to truly solo. Just saying.
  • FrostLord - Dreamweaver
    FrostLord - Dreamweaver Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Zheii - Archosaur wrote: »
    Be more specific on what you mean by "recast seeker" please, I'm assuming you mean third recast R9, but you could also be referring to second cast R8, which is a completely different ball game.
    And have you actually tried to solo a lunar boss? many of them interrupt and make it extremely difficult to stay alive on purely bp because we don't have the apps to get the major heals we need and vortex in many cases isn't enough.
    Both cost and time wise sins are more efficient, You can get a 5aps sin with third cast daggers and solo something so fast whoever's watching gets whiplash, which is a **** ton cheaper than fully third casting a seeker to be able to do the same thing, just... not as fast.

    yes i have done solo runs with my seeker and yes it is really easy the first instance only has freezing mobs and u can counter that with anti stun...the 2nd on the right side has magic dd mobs which is really not a big deal to be honest and th third instance in lunar which is same in all three paths is also countered with anti stun apos as they also have freezin mobs and beside if u get stuck u can also use voidstep to move closer and aoe them.the bosses are relatively easy the first and 2nd are really a piece of cake and the third also if u can transfer debuffs well and have buffs ur good to go.and yes i have tried to solo lunar with my sin its really not that easy as compared to my seeker and yes both are R9ssss


    ^this I agree with about sins being superior farmers, but you don't need that much gear to have a great farming sin, these days with NW it doesn't make much to grab a pair of g13/14 daggers and run off with some aps gear and poke things and be a proficient farmer.
    yes sins gears are easy to obtain but with all the sins farming TT its becoming useless then what are u gona farm wit ur low hp and def sin Ah hA!!!!


    Idk what kind of gear you are referring to when you say "mediocre" but I've been witness to some pretty bad seekers who honestly would be more help just not being in the squad, at least sins have a useful squad buff, and yea, seekers have many PvE debuffs, but many don't use them at all... ._.'

    No matter how much you try to push seekers as being a better farming toon, you are wrong. very wrong, seekers will never come close to being as able as sins in farming.
    nowadays nearly every person can get a g16 so that would be mediocre????? and lol 5 def lvl isnt a useful buff (laughs) and they have awesome debuffs to bosses which all classes benifits (giggles) and lol they dont use them o.o
  • Zheii - Archosaur
    Zheii - Archosaur Posts: 2,732 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Using multiple characters, even as one person, changes the term from soloing with one character to soloing with multiple, giving inaccurate perceptions on any of the classes involved ability to truly solo. Just saying.

    I agree, second and support this statement!
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  • FrostLord - Dreamweaver
    FrostLord - Dreamweaver Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Using multiple characters, even as one person, changes the term from soloing with one character to soloing with multiple, giving inaccurate perceptions on any of the classes involved ability to truly solo. Just saying.

    it is stil a one person if u consider that not soloing then even buffing up urself is not soloing LOL
  • FrostLord - Dreamweaver
    FrostLord - Dreamweaver Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Zheii - Archosaur wrote: »
    I agree, second and support this statement!

    u didnt even understand what he meant
  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    FrostLord - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    it is stil a one person if u consider that not soloing then even buffing up urself is not soloing LOL

    I'd have to disagree. One person, regardless of buffs, is soloing, especially considering it's easy enough to get buffs through pills rather than other players, so the source of the buff is irrelevant. The only buff you can't really do that with would be BP.

    Running multiple characters, however, you really can't consider it as such because you're going to have extra damage and debuffs that would be otherwise unavailable. Though you're one person, the characters in question aren't actually soloing the instance.

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