New Veno/Barb Form Bugs

Xainou - Sanctuary

Coming from both sides of the topic (sage veno/demon barb), I find this change pretty unfair.

Sage venos have a huge advantage with their chi gain over 5% less crit which is worthless in PvE. Hell, I didn't even bother learning demon true form for the same reason. Now sage barbs get chi AND full damage in true form, which used to be exclusive to demons? Seriously, devs? How is this even remotely fair to any of the classes...

overcomem

only thing i see in this thread just demon barb/veno still whining since it passed for 4 months?
you guys can't accept it? before u ask for fix it . let see a bunch of glitch of those skill another class still haven't fixed. And fix sage BO barb skill first it can't zerk for 4 years.b:angry if not fix so nothing to fix on new sage true form / veno form. and stop jealousy about our OP chi switching form. i know it's OP and smexy chi.

Desdi - Sanctuary

overcomem wrote: »

only thing i see in this thread just demon barb/veno still whining since it passed for 4 months?
you guys can't accept it? before u ask for fix it . let see a bunch of glitch of those skill another class still haven't fixed. And fix sage BO barb skill first it can't zerk for 4 years.b:angry if not fix so nothing to fix on new sage true form / veno form. and stop jealousy about our OP chi switching form. i know it's OP and smexy chi.

You really don't understand the reason people keep bringing this up, do you?

Fox Form and True Form were both perfectly balanced prior this update and when they introduced the Imbued version and the new look they greatly favored one cultivation over the other which is wrong and on top of it they didn't even introduce the new skill(s) we were promised with these new forms.

They say they'll be added in the next expansion but we will have to see that.

The_Plague - Dreamweaver

This is my 3rd server as a Str Build Demon Barb. (that being said) Take into consideration this. Sage barbs gain 25% more dmg from A/H mstry, more dmg from SOT Along with more pdef in tiger,run faster jump higher lol seriously 6 sec of a chance to resist a crit
You really call this rebalancing (bad speller excuse me that lol)

But at the end of the day any pvp'r knows what wins in pk Crits I have well over 700str and if you have GOF that helps.

Lets also clue in on other issues broken that hurt us barbs way worse then true form. Telekenisis/sand trap DOT's from psys damaging and Applying a dbuff through IG or AD. We all know Str/Dex get dmg multipliyer every 150 points why then do casters get dmg multiplier every 100 points (ohh that's right they cast slower right) Im full R9rr had a R9rr psy 1 shot me for 48k crit the other day in NW. Not a normal crit even by that psy be any means as ive killed him in pk since. This chance OP crit from a caster class that can almost indefinitlly stick you in place (if played right) And as barbs we have no leaps no Charges no way to get to our opponent. Ohh that's right as the TANK class we used to be able to live long enough vs any class to get close. Why not make Str stat have dmg multiplier every 100 points balance this issue. I understand the dex due to APS but come on. Demon barbs pwi u just take take take another short straw I guess we draw.
Im done for now sry if it sounds QQ'ish just years of frustration here b:surrender

Nyxsa - Heavens Tear

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Meh, I'm still iffy about the fact that Sage gets a nice bonus chi from Spirit Form but Demons get some useless buff but I can't say it's a bug and I doubt it would be changed at this point.

Reason I got iffy is because I'd except to give both sides something nice for their new "skill" but they favoured one culti over the other.

I agree with you on this because yes it is true - it seems sage will always have the higher ground, but I can at least admire the buff when it comes to NW because it works with the flag and it helps me when I need it so I'm not too broken about the Sage skill. Everyday I wonder about turning Sage because its what the people want in this game and yes, some skills are better on sage, but whatever. You honestly don't think if Demons got this chi bonus the Sages wouldn't QQ. Heck if they started to switch it to where Demons were preferred, how lovely and chaotic it would be. Other Demons may not enjoy this speed buff, but least I do.

Desdi - Sanctuary

I honestly think they shouldn't have given any new bonus to the Imbued and new forms. No mana reduction is more than enough and for Barbarians, keep them at what it was. We would have avoided all this.

If they really wanted to give a nice new bonus for them they should have given something that's equally useful for both. Most people are interesting in the new skills anyway.

CaitlinDan - Heavens Tear

Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I can't understand why people keep saying this. You really only went demon for the true form skill?

yes, if a barb values the skills in tiger form, he probably would consider the fact that demon is better because of the zero damage reduction. This skill alone tips the favor of a pure tiger barb who wants to deal a greater damage output.

IBaMBii - Heavens Tear

Honestly something should be done sooner. I'm very outraged that demon barbs got this nerf when I went demon for the damage and now sage gets what I what demon for on top of everything else.
APS is nice for demon claw barbs whic I'm not anymore. So I'd prefer the damage reduction by going sage if nothing changes within the next few months.

This seems to be the Morley lopsided change for barbs and I hate being on the short end of the stick.

overcomem

i wonder if sage barb still got damage reduction in tiger but still get benefit from 20 Chi/cast.
u guys all demon will still be QQing? i don't care if Dev will fix damage in sage tiger form back bz it's only half of weapon damage reduction not half of all damage so it's 800-900 raw damage gape between human - tiger for sage. u said demon barb got nerf skill but what about sage BO didn't get nerf for long time ago since this game lanuch? (if u know how sage BO was nerf )b:angry

Grindata_ - Heavens Tear

i believe sage true form was always 40% hp increase where as demon was 35% if it gave an additional 40% hp i would have noticed more hp added to my sage barb which it has not changed. b4 when i got my panda mode i had around 17k hp when i got my panda my hp did not change.

DionDagger - Dreamweaver

overcomem wrote: »

i wonder if sage barb still got damage reduction in tiger but still get benefit from 20 Chi/cast.
u guys all demon will still be QQing? i don't care if Dev will fix damage in sage tiger form back bz it's only half of weapon damage reduction not half of all damage so it's 800-900 raw damage gape between human - tiger for sage. u said demon barb got nerf skill but what about sage BO didn't get nerf for long time ago since this game lanuch? (if u know how sage BO was nerf )b:angry

This gap becomes much bigger with a better weapon and more atk lvs. your wep is **** based on what you have told me.

Desdi - Sanctuary

Well, when a thread keeps going on and there are so many people who discuss about it then it usually means something's wrong...and we are complaining about it because we think it should be modified. This applies to both the new Barbarian and Venomancer form changes.

Though my hopes aren't very high but..it doesn't hurt to keep discussing about it because mayb, just maybe..or maybe they'll finally implement the new skills in the next update which I'm hoping they won't mess up with the cultivations again.

CaitlinDan - Heavens Tear

It might.

I mean, venos finally got rebalanced with the new pet system, although it took them.... 3 years?

I'm not sure. So many demon barbs got shelved and rerolled new sage ones.....

Desdi - Sanctuary

Just gonna bump this due to the promised new form skill(s) we never got and the rather imbalanced forms for both classes (chi vs. useless "anti-crit" buff).