Happy Valley Coin Missing

Jacerai - Dreamweaver

The coin rewards in all of Happy Valley (Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta) are missing.

This has been going on since, I believe, the Sirens of War update. The "mushrooms" (small easily one-hit mobs that spawn between waves) now only drop pots and (sometimes) shards.

These coin rewards are very helpful and the thread where people have been pushing for it's return is here: Bring Back the Coin In Delta?

genotypist

Jacerai - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The coin rewards in all of Happy Valley (Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta) are missing.

This has been going on since, I believe, the Sirens of War update. The "mushrooms" (small easily one-hit mobs that spawn between waves) now only drop pots and (sometimes) shards.

These coin rewards are very helpful and the thread where people have been pushing for it's return is here: Bring Back the Coin In Delta?

We'll take a look. Jacerai, can you get me the official names for the mushroom monsters?
I have a feeling that they were deliberately changed because PW Beijing had botters farming them. I might be able to look through my notes to confirm for you quickly with their names.

Decus - Dreamweaver

I believe they are called God's Bestowal.

Bladed_Tony - Raging Tide

i want those back as well.. but u gonna have those nabs that leave squad town tele and steal the drops for themselves

Antigone - Momaganon

Rly? Sry but is it rly WORTH to farm that thing? It's nice money, ya, but botting it or leaving a squad for it? I don't see the point here you gain way more and faster money with other ways than this...so ya, bring it back even if I hate "Happy Valley"^^

WaterVixen - Harshlands

Well, from doing as many GV's as I have, one coin drop split 6 ways each got well over 150-200k coins......without a squad, one could make about a mill in one single coin drop if not more + the shards aswell. There were people on Harshlands who have scammed them aswell. It'd be nice if the coin was intermingled within the quest line per wave (increasing as each wave progresses) then no one can scam the moolah b:victory

Jacerai - Dreamweaver

WaterVixen - Harshlands wrote: »

Well, from doing as many GV's as I have, one coin drop split 6 ways each got well over 150-200k coins......without a squad, one could make about a mill in one single coin drop if not more + the shards aswell. There were people on Harshlands who have scammed them aswell. It'd be nice if the coin was intermingled within the quest line per wave (increasing as each wave progresses) then no one can scam the moolah b:victory

This. I like this idea.

Salari - Raging Tide

Which mobs we talking here the ones in the quest area or the ones that appear as you finish a wave. Who would bot ws just for the wave mobs, sounds like they might be botting the others in the quest are, sounds fishy to me

Jacerai - Dreamweaver

Salari - Raging Tide wrote: »

Which mobs we talking here the ones in the quest area or the ones that appear as you finish a wave. Who would bot ws just for the wave mobs, sounds like they might be botting the others in the quest are, sounds fishy to me

I cannot see how you could bot a GV (or WS as you said), but the mobs we're talking about are the ones that appear after you finish a wave.

Salari - Raging Tide

Jacerai - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I cannot see how you could bot a GV (or WS as you said), but the mobs we're talking about are the ones that appear after you finish a wave.

yes i meant GV, was thinking of 2 different things at the time. i just find the botting gv just odd

LeafDance - Lost City

WaterVixen - Harshlands wrote: »

Well, from doing as many GV's as I have, one coin drop split 6 ways each got well over 150-200k coins......without a squad, one could make about a mill in one single coin drop if not more + the shards aswell. There were people on Harshlands who have scammed them aswell. It'd be nice if the coin was intermingled within the quest line per wave (increasing as each wave progresses) then no one can scam the moolah b:victory

Yes, this would be a great alternative. Especially for a full gv, where you have to spend a lot of time to complete, a coin reward is only fair! b:pleased

genotypist

Hi gang. The devs confirmed that the change to remove coins from these mobs was made intentionally to prevent abusive behavior. We apologize for not being transparent with the change when it occurred.

The devs are not in agreement that adding a coin reward would benefit the game, and given that they have recently (and continue to) added new coin-reward events, they don't consider this a priority.

Salari - Raging Tide

genotypist wrote: »

Hi gang. The devs confirmed that the change to remove coins from these mobs was made intentionally to prevent abusive behavior. We apologize for not being transparent with the change when it occurred.

The devs are not in agreement that adding a coin reward would benefit the game, and given that they have recently (and continue to) added new coin-reward events, they don't consider this a priority.

I think they removed the reward from the wrong mob. There are 2 different sets of mushrooms in that instance.

Annalyse - Heavens Tear

genotypist wrote: »

Hi gang. The devs confirmed that the change to remove coins from these mobs was made intentionally to prevent abusive behavior. We apologize for not being transparent with the change when it occurred.

The devs are not in agreement that adding a coin reward would benefit the game, and given that they have recently (and continue to) added new coin-reward events, they don't consider this a priority.

The thing is, new coin-reward events have nothing to do with it. RB is not the easiest instance to begin with, and takes a great deal of time, and currently does not have a lot going for it to draw people into doing it. The coin drop helped cover repair cost and made people more willing to run it, but now that's been taken away. If you can't bring it back, they should add something to replace it, perhaps in the boss quests so that people can't take advantage.

However, I fail to see how the coins could ever be a problem in there, to be honest. You have to kill a whole wave before the mushroom spawns, and if someone is willing to kill that wave, even with his or her own 6 chars, he deserves the money. It's not like you can just set up a botting program in there. You have to be there, physically, and it takes over two hours to complete the whole thing. How much of a problem could this be? There are way easier ways to get money.

Maelael - Heavens Tear

Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The thing is, new coin-reward events have nothing to do with it. RB is not the easiest instance to begin with, and takes a great deal of time, and currently does not have a lot going for it to draw people into doing it. The coin drop helped cover repair cost and made people more willing to run it, but now that's been taken away. If you can't bring it back, they should add something to replace it, perhaps in the boss quests so that people can't take advantage.

However, I fail to see how the coins could ever be a problem in there, to be honest. You have to kill a whole wave before the mushroom spawns, and if someone is willing to kill that wave, even with his or her own 6 chars, he deserves the money. It's not like you can just set up a botting program in there. You have to be there, physically, and it takes over two hours to complete the whole thing. How much of a problem could this be? There are way easier ways to get money.

Well heres the thing. Save the last boss, you can pretty much slap a charm on two toons and go afk other than to rebuff. So I can see it getting abused.

However, they could be inferring someone found some other exploit we are not aware of and had to remove the coins (think gooning).

I used to love RB. Made some money (not much) and repairs, charm ticks, pots, etc were paid for. Now it's just a money losing chore. I've been there 3? times since the change for odd BHs when I was bored, and two cultis. I used to go whenever I had a spare 1-2 hours and someone needed a culti or just wanted tome frags or even just because. Now though, there is much better avenues for coin, experience, and fun in the game. I can't justify losing money in a 1-2 hour long marathon unless Im damn good friends with someone who needs it for culti.

Miugre - Heavens Tear

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well heres the thing. Save the last boss, you can pretty much slap a charm on two toons and go afk other than to rebuff.

This alone would probably nullify any benefit the coins would provide, even if you somehow managed to do a full RB on just two characters. IIRC, the coin drop from God's Bestowal mobs averaged about 500, maybe 550k (I only ever got 80-95k split from them, at any rate). Eight or nine waves of that would give you maybe 5.5mil. Buying new charms for those characters would cost you almost as much if not more, and even if you calculate by percentage of charm used (which is still probably pretty large), there are faster ways to make coins.

Also: WTB video of two characters duo'ing full RB.

genotypist wrote:

Hi gang. The devs confirmed that the change to remove coins from these mobs was made intentionally to prevent abusive behavior. We apologize for not being transparent with the change when it occurred.

The devs are not in agreement that adding a coin reward would benefit the game, and given that they have recently (and continue to) added new coin-reward events, they don't consider this a priority.

This honest response is very much appreciated.

Would the devs be open to adding some alternative extra drop(s) in place of the coins? They have an awful habit of stapling new content onto the game and pretending that it makes up for abuses they've done to the old content.

Maelael - Heavens Tear

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This alone would probably nullify any benefit the coins would provide, even if you somehow managed to do a full RB on just two characters. IIRC, the coin drop from God's Bestowal mobs averaged about 500, maybe 550k (I only ever got 80-95k split from them, at any rate). Eight or nine waves of that would give you maybe 5.5mil. Buying new charms for those characters would cost you almost as much if not more, and even if you calculate by percentage of charm used (which is still probably pretty large), there are faster ways to make coins.

Also: WTB video of two characters duo'ing full RB.

Not at aura - doesn't cost much charm ticks once mag aura is up.

I have zero words for you if you haven't seen people pretty much afk (Save wave 3, and the last waves with stunners) throughout RB with DB or Vortex up.

Annalyse - Heavens Tear

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I can't justify losing money in a 1-2 hour long marathon unless Im damn good friends with someone who needs it for culti.

That is exactly why this is a big issue. They already killed off Nirvana, and we really don't need stupid changes like this killing off the other PvE instances. You can't take away a reason for running an instance and then expect people to still run it. Frags and pages are a chance issue in RB so without the money as a backup to cover costs, nobody wants to run it anymore.

And if people want to multi it for two hours to get themselves a few million, who cares? They could make more multiclienting those characters in TT for far less time (and hassle, since you only need 4 chars to open and it is easy for a lot of people to solo). Will they be removing the drops from TT next?

If this is a case of some **** that someone discovered to get all of the mushrooms without completing RB or something, then FIX IT. Put the money into the boss quests instead. Just stop just taking stuff away from us as a solution.

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

It might possibly have been a reaction to people dropping squad and TPing back to take all the mushroom drops (which wouldn't really have been an issue if people did normal rather than spawn point, as you'd be getting the mushrooms between waves.)

Annalyse - Heavens Tear

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It might possibly have been a reaction to people dropping squad and TPing back to take all the mushroom drops (which wouldn't really have been an issue if people did normal rather than spawn point, as you'd be getting the mushrooms between waves.)

I didn't ever really find that an issue anyway. Sure, it is annoying, and I made a note not to squad with the thieves again... but it really only happened in BHs and it's not like you miss out on a whole lot there. Where the money really counts is in full runs.

Crixxix - Raging Tide

I agree that taking without giving back seems to be one of PWI Dev's biggest flaws. Adding new content does NOT, and I repeat does not make up for taking money drops, reducing item prices, etc. All that does is make us angry, and when we get angry, we quit or stop giving PWI money. Nobody wants that to happen.

Following what the Devs think is right, obviously isn't working too well for PWI, so why not take a hint and look to your customers for your solutions? Many of us aren't trollish enough to say stupid answers, and would rather do the game justice by providing well thought out quality answers.

These issues make me wonder if the devs ever played this game, if they make there own standard toons and play as the rest of us do, without the GM console, without any added benefit of being an employee.

Untamed_pain - Archosaur

just a thought..forget the mushrooms leave as is...and make it after every wave we get coin like we did for the mushroom...but like we do tomes and chest.

seriously hate delta...i do bhs and i help with other guildies cultis but i don't like it lolb:chuckle

Blutregen - Lost City

only give coins for later waves because coinrewards from earlier ones could be easily abused f.e. by multiclienting...

Labells - Dreamweaver

genotypist wrote: »

Hi gang. The devs confirmed that the change to remove coins from these mobs was made intentionally to prevent abusive behavior. We apologize for not being transparent with the change when it occurred.

The devs are not in agreement that adding a coin reward would benefit the game, and given that they have recently (and continue to) added new coin-reward events, they don't consider this a priority.

Have we had any further word from the Dev's since Geno's last message on this issue?

I know the Dev's code this stuff but do they actually ever bother to jump on a server and see the impact their decisions are having on the community?

Have the Dev's actually tried Delta with a regularly geared squad, I'm not talking GM geared full squad but the good gear, the bad gear and the just plain ugly gear you have to deal with when trying to get a faction member through Delta and teach them what their supposed to be doing through an entire culti to see how expensive it is if your the one being beaten to a pulp?

Even Barb's feel sorry for my repair bill when we walk out of a full warsong, and it takes me a few days to refarm the coin I spent on repair - when you have a mass of ppl in faction all needing Delta makes for an empty coin purse or people that don't understand why they have to wait so long for their Culti run.

and why does the whole community get punished for percieved abusers of this dungeon?

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple

Labells - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I know the Dev's code this stuff but do they actually ever bother to jump on a server and see the impact their decisions are having on the community?

The Dev's are in China, don't really care about our **** version, and I'm almost certain half of them have never actually played the game.

Sizzer - Raging Tide

LOLOLOL **** version b:laughb:laugh

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple

I swear, if the gave a rats ***, they wouldn't make so many damn mistakes when updating our servers. I mean seriously. Stuff like PvP in SP could have been fixed in 5 minutes and a restart. Not several freaking months.

It's kinda like the way GM always looked at Saturn, or the way Mercedes dealers threat Smarts.

Crixxix - Raging Tide

Honestly, what needs to happen is that someone buys a majority of the PWRD stock shares, enough to take over the damn company. It's actually my personal goal to do so, and tell ya what. I'll get things done.

First on my list would be to get localized Developers here, and let this version choose whether or not they want China's updates, along with Beta Testing of all updates. b:pleased

littlemage

genotypist wrote: »

We'll take a look. Jacerai, can you get me the official names for the mushroom monsters?
I have a feeling that they were deliberately changed because PW Beijing had botters farming them. I might be able to look through my notes to confirm for you quickly with their names.

the coins from GV have been taken out ages ago by GMs... i am all in for putting them back tho... was a nice way to repair bills when u were done...