PV 1 pull?

fatal1ty1

Is it possible to do a full PV pull successfuly as a cleric? The only videos I could find show it on 2 or 3 pulls but that's not time-efficient compared to other classes if you ask me. So any experienced clerics out there can help shed some light?

Sorry if this thread is repeated I just need a quick and updated response.

Thanks.

SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver

fatal1ty1 wrote: »

Is it possible to do a full PV pull successfuly as a cleric? The only videos I could find show it on 2 or 3 pulls but that's not time-efficient compared to other classes if you ask me. So any experienced clerics out there can help shed some light?

Sorry if this thread is repeated I just need a quick and updated response.

Thanks.

I personally have not complete a successful pv in one pull however I know it has been done by Aeliah. It requires some good timing and distances as if you run too far or take too long to pull the mobs will reset. I am not sure why you are saying it is not time-efficient for a cleric to be doing it in 2-3 pulls. Doing a 2 pull you can get 4-5 runs on a single token just the same as mos other classes.

Have a look at the thread Aeliah made about clerics doing pv runs, it has some great tips and videos to show how he did it and proof that 5 runs is possible on a cleric.

fatal1ty1

SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I personally have not complete a successful pv in one pull however I know it has been done by Aeliah. It requires some good timing and distances as if you run too far or take too long to pull the mobs will reset. I am not sure why you are saying it is not time-efficient for a cleric to be doing it in 2-3 pulls. Doing a 2 pull you can get 4-5 runs on a single token just the same as mos other classes.

Have a look at the thread Aeliah made about clerics doing pv runs, it has some great tips and videos to show how he did it and proof that 5 runs is possible on a cleric.

Ty for your input. Yes I saw Aeliah's thread and video it's very impressive and enlightning but the way he does it's impossible for me. He's a lot more tanky than I am and his damage is strong enough to 2 shot the mobs without spark. He still has to do it on 2 or 3 groups and waste a few seconds on it and in PV every second counts. Other classes seem to be able to just do it in 1 big pull and save more time thats why I said its not as time-efficient as the other classes. What I think I'm trying to say is that they seem to do it a little more effortlessly. When r8/9 wiz/seeker with "common" refines are able to do pv in 1 pull but not a cleric it's bugs me a little. I'm trying to avoid to embrace the idea that a PV pull of this magnitude is only do-able by a selective group of clerics of Ahelia's gear lvl or not do-able at all when other classes do it with much less.

Eoria - Harshlands

fatal1ty1 wrote: »

Ty for your input. Yes I saw Aeliah's thread and video it's very impressive and enlightning but the way he does it is impossible for me. He's a lot more tanky than I am and his damage is strong enough to 2 shot the mobs without spark. He still has to do it on 2 or 3 groups and waste a few seconds on it and in PV every second counts. Other classes seem to be able to just do it in 1 big pull and save more time thats why I said its not as time-efficient as the other classes. What I think I'm trying to say is that they seem to do it a little more effortlessly. When r8/9 wiz/seeker with "common" refines are able to do pv in 1 pull but not a cleric it's bugs me a little.

They're able to do it in one pull due to bp/expel. Clerics don't exactly have the luxury of bp heals or a continuous AOE zhen.

Nuke_Cleric - Sanctuary

What if I tell you that is possible? b:cute

fatal1ty1

Nuke_Cleric - Sanctuary wrote: »

What if I tell you that is possible? b:cute

How you do it?

fatal1ty1

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

They're able to do it in one pull due to bp/expel. Clerics don't exactly have the luxury of bp heals or a continuous AOE zhen.

Yes this is true. I wish we had a continuous AOE skill.

klys

Feather them every once in a while to keep them from resetting.
Purify your expel.
Kill stuff.

Ahira - Lost City

fatal1ty1 wrote: »

Is it possible to do a full PV pull successfuly as a cleric? The only videos I could find show it on 2 or 3 pulls but that's not time-efficient compared to other classes if you ask me. So any experienced clerics out there can help shed some light?

Sorry if this thread is repeated I just need a quick and updated response.

Thanks.

Obviously if we all had Aeliah's gears 1 pull would be quite a bit more straight forwardb:chuckle But as long as you can kill mobs within immunity, single pull is perfectly possible. (Trick is not letting mobs reset and staying alive)

I was actually going to record this for you earlier today but halfway through I absent-mindedly turned it into a 2-pull b:sweat

SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver

fatal1ty1 wrote: »

Ty for your input. Yes I saw Aeliah's thread and video it's very impressive and enlightning but the way he does it's impossible for me. He's a lot more tanky than I am and his damage is strong enough to 2 shot the mobs without spark. He still has to do it on 2 or 3 groups and waste a few seconds on it and in PV every second counts. Other classes seem to be able to just do it in 1 big pull and save more time thats why I said its not as time-efficient as the other classes. What I think I'm trying to say is that they seem to do it a little more effortlessly. When r8/9 wiz/seeker with "common" refines are able to do pv in 1 pull but not a cleric it's bugs me a little. I'm trying to avoid to embrace the idea that a PV pull of this magnitude is only do-able by a selective group of clerics of Ahelia's gear lvl or not do-able at all when other classes do it with much less.

Firstly he does not have to do it in 2-3 pulls he choose to do it that way as even with the OP gear he has a full pull for an arcane class if very difficult if you get hit too much/lag in the pull and will result in a lot more deaths. Yes every second in pv does count but a safe 2 pull run is more efficient than dying attempting 1 pull and having to rebuff and start again.

And lets face it not every class is equal in all aspects of the game, expecting a cleric to be able to do a zhen like instance the same or better than others even with "common" refines is a bit naive. Most of us don't have the same pdef as other classes not to mention the 2 classes you mentioned above are well know for zhenning with their constant aoe skills. It's almost like it would bug you that a cleric in r8/TT99 gold can't solo a boss as quick as a sin even in the same level of gear/refines.

Nuke_Cleric - Sanctuary

fatal1ty1 wrote: »

How you do it?

S> secret 1b b:quietb:chuckle

Just know that you don't need max gears to make a full pull. I do it with full r9rr all +10 including weapon with exclusive garnet/citrine/sapphires shards.

fatal1ty1

Ahira - Lost City wrote: »

Obviously if we all had Aeliah's gears 1 pull would be quite a bit more straight forwardb:chuckle But as long as you can kill mobs within immunity, single pull is perfectly possible. (Trick is not letting mobs reset and staying alive)

I was actually going to record this for you earlier today but halfway through I absent-mindedly turned it into a 2-pull b:sweat

I'm looking forward to see your video.

Ahira - Lost City

fatal1ty1 wrote: »

I'm looking forward to see your video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFuS_NIzcsg

Could have ran it quicker but that wasnt really the point- wrote some suggestions as well under the video which might be helpful. But just give it a few try's yourself- dont worry, the worst that can happen is that you die! b:chuckle

Aeliah - Dreamweaver

Heya, just saw this thread.

The last pull in my last PV video was done more to impress than to demonstrate the *safest* way to do a single pull in PV, hehe. The reason I let the mobs stack on me is to ensure that the Razor Feathers actually hits all the mobs (you can manually click a mob in the center of the cluster, but even so you'll usually miss a few unless you wait for them to stack on you a bit, if you did a fast pull).

And yes, precisely so: 1 pull I've done on a number of occasions, and done properly I could do it with much inferior gear to what I have; its just that, 1) the lag makes it very dangerous, great gear or not (when you reach end of pull and you lag 2 seconds, you are toast no matter how good your gear is), and 2) 2 pulls is practically just as fast as 1. Maybe 10 seconds difference for me.

Think about it: you do the instance in one pull, by doing (at least) 1 razor feathers. To make sure that you save time without losing many mobs, you need to make sure mobs are in nice clump for razor feathers to hit. Ok... well in that time period, instead of just hitting them once with razor feathers, do a purify expel while waiting for them to catch up to you, and then do razor feathers and tempest. And then they are dead instead of following you... safer, more guaranteed xp, and not much time added to run.

Thats my take on it anyways.

Aeliah

Ahira - Lost City

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Heya, just saw this thread.

The last pull in my last PV video was done more to impress than to demonstrate the *safest* way to do a single pull in PV, hehe. The reason I let the mobs stack on me is to ensure that the Razor Feathers actually hits all the mobs (you can manually click a mob in the center of the cluster, but even so you'll usually miss a few unless you wait for them to stack on you a bit, if you did a fast pull).

And yes, precisely so: 1 pull I've done on a number of occasions, and done properly I could do it with much inferior gear to what I have; its just that, 1) the lag makes it very dangerous, great gear or not (when you reach end of pull and you lag 2 seconds, you are toast no matter how good your gear is), and 2) 2 pulls is practically just as fast as 1. Maybe 10 seconds difference for me.

Think about it: you do the instance in one pull, by doing (at least) 1 razor feathers. To make sure that you save time without losing many mobs, you need to make sure mobs are in nice clump for razor feathers to hit. Ok... well in that time period, instead of just hitting them once with razor feathers, do a purify expel while waiting for them to catch up to you, and then do razor feathers and tempest. And then they are dead instead of following you... safer, more guaranteed xp, and not much time added to run.

Thats my take on it anyways.

Aeliah

Whilst I also recommend 2 pull- there is more of a difference if you're not able to 2shot mobs and have to also perhaps use sirens kiss. In addition if you're demon cleric and not sage you wont have to benefit of chi gain skill or the possibility of saving spark from tempest. All these can contribute to slowing down the 2nd pull.

There are 2 issues with single pull pv- resetting mobs and lag. You can pretty much avoid reset with an aoe + genie aoe skills. The lag though can get pretty scary- you might even have to chain 2 immunity's at the end if its really bad! b:faint