Wizard as a starter?

princespectre

I always choose the masters of magic whenever I'm new to a game. As the title says, will my gaming experience in PW be fine with Wizard as a main character?

1. Do wizards really suck in PVE matters?
2. How was your experience on leveling yours?
3. What are the most boring moments of it?
4. Is it really expensive to gear up?
5. What made you choose Wizard?
6. Any regret? b:shutup

Thank you for sharing your time to reply! Kudos to my fellow Wizards! b:thanks

Volacio - Harshlands

1. The only thing that Wizards would suck at in PVE are really bosses in my opinion. We're AA so obviously we can't tank/solo every boss. (Execpt for the magic ones)

2. The experience on leveling a Wizard was very fun. I remeber my first time getting my ulti's. I ran out to Silver Pool and 1-shotted a 63 Sin with a Blade Tempest that critted for 3k.

3. I can't realy answer that question.

4. I didn't really find it expensive to gear up. I just used the armours that I got from the NPC's for doing quests.

5. What made me choose a Wizard was the rarity. The only Wizards I see on my server are the usual no-skilled R9R3 +12 JOSD Wizards.

6. I ain't got no worries.

HrunsPanda - Archosaur

princespectre wrote: »

I always choose the masters of magic whenever I'm new to a game. As the title says, will my gaming experience in PW be fine with Wizard as a main character?

1. Do wizards really suck in PVE matters?
2. How was your experience on leveling yours?
3. What are the most boring moments of it?
4. Is it really expensive to gear up?
5. What made you choose Wizard?
6. Any regret? b:shutup

Thank you for sharing your time to reply! Kudos to my fellow Wizards! b:thanks

My main is a barb, but actually when i first started the game, i started with a wizzard. I leveled it to about 60 before swiching to barb.
I dont remember the reason for swichting then actually. Might be that i just wanted a mellee as well and in the end got more interested in it. Might have something to do with barbs always being wanted in squads. but mostly, it might have something to do with the answer to level 5.

1 PvE, all classes are good enough to go trough the game for sure. When you are gonna farm for end game equipment there is a significant difference though. And some will level faster and or cheaper than others, but that imo is a minor issue. Wizzards should be fine if you just want to enjoy the game and not think about farming for end game pvp equipment asap (will still take years anyway)

2 was fun, just like any char can be

3 boringness was not class specific.

4 I used purple gears that i found cheap on AH.

5 My diablo2 experience where the sorceress is the first class you make because it was the goddess of farm and in the mojority of games wizzards have an overpowered damage output and PVE killspeed, sometimes combined with other overpowered skills like teleport and telekinesis. While in PWI the damage output of the wizzard is good, it is not to be considered imbalanced with the other classes for pve leveling purposes. The farming capabilities of the wizzard in PWI are relatively poor in total because you cannot solo bosses.

6 Well, i changed to barb, for better farming. I wouldnt call it regret though. (Back then, i think i chose barb and not sin or BM that comes to everyones mind when its about farming because the sin and BM first need to get that APS gear before they are so good at farming while i figured barb has easier time to survive with **** gear )

I would like to add though that playing to level 100 is only a relativel small part of the game. I dont think there really is any need to regret your choise of first character because you can always make a second after you know more about the game and combine that knowledge with what you want from the game.

When you always choose the masters of magic, be aware however that wizzards are not the sole masters of magic. Psychics are equally masterfull with similar DPS output. Venos have a little less of the pure magic DPS output but are versatile with pets and can choose totally different builds and playstyle. The mystic is something in between clerics and and the standard wizzard type of class.

XSonOfCircex - Sanctuary

princespectre wrote: »

I always choose the masters of magic whenever I'm new to a game. As the title says, will my gaming experience in PW be fine with Wizard as a main character?

1. Do wizards really suck in PVE matters?
2. How was your experience on leveling yours?
3. What are the most boring moments of it?
4. Is it really expensive to gear up?
5. What made you choose Wizard?
6. Any regret? b:shutup

Thank you for sharing your time to reply! Kudos to my fellow Wizards! b:thanks

1) Wizards aren't going to be aps (attacks per second) which limits ability to solo bosses in end game. If you can find friends to do stuff with that won't matter so much though.

2) Mine involved a lot of death and grinding quests the first time i leveled one, if you can try to get the dreamchaser pack, that will make it a lot better for you since the gear in there is way overpowered for the level. And don't get discouraged if you die a lot.

3) If you level with quests, it used to be that around 40 or 50 you'd start having to grind. With new methods of leveling that shouldn't be a concern for a while longer so I think you're good on that front.

4) It is progressively getting less expensive to gear new toons, but it's also getting more difficult to farm. Just be warned that you shouldn't expect to be in top tier gear for a long time.

5) I always went with the mage class, and when I started playing it was either Wiz, Cleric, or Veno.

6) If I'd started later, I think I may have gone with a psy, they have more AOEs and it can make grinding a little more bearable. Now I'm glad I didn't have that option since wizard's are much tankier and I think it's a lot more fun to play, but there was a time I migth have said otherwise.

Breannak - Raging Tide

princespectre wrote: »

I always choose the masters of magic whenever I'm new to a game. As the title says, will my gaming experience in PW be fine with Wizard as a main character?

1. Do wizards really suck in PVE matters?
No not really but it takes time on mobs, if your doing it solo.
2. How was your experience on leveling yours?
Pain in the butt but once I figured out how to gear up my wizzy, with correct stats, everything went smooth.
3. What are the most boring moments of it?
Doing Culti
4. Is it really expensive to gear up?
If your going r9rr then yeah
5. What made you choose Wizard?
No clue really .-.
6. Any regret? b:shutup
Not really.

Thank you for sharing your time to reply! Kudos to my fellow Wizards! b:thanks

I hope this answer's a few questions!

HrunsPanda - Archosaur

What was the biggest difference for me between wizzy and barb in PvEing was that with the barb you dont really have to care about what mobs your fight. I'd just do whatever quest was nearestby. If the mobs be 5 levels higher than i, well i'd use an extra health pot and hit them for 2 mins instead of 1....

With the wizzard on the other hand, i was always searching to fight mobs that i could kill in 3 casts max, so they'd might reach me but only for 1 hit. Cuz else you pretty much die 2 casts is better of course, then they wont reach you. This sometimes meant i'd have to go for that quest 2 levels lower than the one right here and leave this one for a little later. And of course avoid ranged physicals like the plague.

So that means a little less freedom in what quests you do, but against that stands that while the wizzard killed its mobs in 3 casts max, the barb would be hitting them for ages and ages.

Mosly just an issue when you want to solo though. If you have the wiz and barb together, it is of course perfect. Just dont fight mobs that are weak because then the barb is running around trying to reach mobs and the wizz kills them all before he gets to touch em

SweetAnthrax - Heavens Tear

princespectre wrote: »

I always choose the masters of magic whenever I'm new to a game. As the title says, will my gaming experience in PW be fine with Wizard as a main character?

1. Do wizards really suck in PVE matters?
2. How was your experience on leveling yours?
3. What are the most boring moments of it?
4. Is it really expensive to gear up?
5. What made you choose Wizard?
6. Any regret? b:shutup

Thank you for sharing your time to reply! Kudos to my fellow Wizards! b:thanks

I don't recommend Wizard as your first toon. Wizards are hard to play and expensive to build.

Now straght to the point:
1. With real good gear they're brilliant.
2. A nightmare until I decided to go to FF.
3. Having an Archer or Psychic kill faster with cheaper gear is not fun at all.
4. Yes and it also takes some planning to get the right stuff.
5. Friends.
6. Not winning the lottery.

tweakz

princespectre wrote: »

I always choose the masters of magic whenever I'm new to a game. As the title says, will my gaming experience in PW be fine with Wizard as a main character?

No. There are other good mages in the game.

1. Do wizards really suck in PVE matters?

Yes: in almost every circumstance.

2. How was your experience on leveling yours?

I abandoned it to play a veno and only leveled it to 100 after discovering 100+ BH rewards.

3. What are the most boring moments of it?

Dragon's Breath, macro dd'ing (very common for class)

4. Is it really expensive to gear up?

Even with some of the best equips in Rebirth; you're at the mercy of whether the cleric has decent heals (most don't). Seekers with BP aren't at their mercy. Venos are more expensive to gear up in a sense because of the cost of pets. My other mages are great with the acct stashed gears by my wiz always could use more.

5. What made you choose Wizard?

At the time they were a ranged class that didn't have to buy / make ammo.

6. Any regret? b:shutup

Yes. I'm pve only. Out of 7 classes I play; it's the least useful by far.

Volacio - Harshlands wrote:

1. The only thing that Wizards would suck at in PVE are really bosses in my opinion. We're AA so obviously we can't tank/solo every boss. (Execpt for the magic ones)

They are the worst sustained 1-1 dd, and suck at ranged aoe. They suck at healing. For tanking; they're fine with a good healer (stone barrier?), but who can hold aggro with one against any other comparably equipped mage? *ps: I refuse to use an HP charm to compensate for those vit/pve/moochbag clerics who spent less than 1/100 of what I did on gear.

2. The experience on leveling a Wizard was very fun. I remeber my first time getting my ulti's. I ran out to Silver Pool and 1-shotted a 63 Sin with a Blade Tempest that critted for 3k.

What does pvp have to do with leveling?

5. What made me choose a Wizard was the rarity. The only Wizards I see on my server are the usual no-skilled R9R3 +12 JOSD Wizards.

Because its' all about PvP on a wiz and all about seeing those big numbers which really aren't that much bigger than any other mage's. Other mages have much better ch/cast times.

A fledgling wiz will have to skirt around mobs avoiding mag resist ones, rely on others to get many more things done, spend far more for MP than mystic, or veno, lose squad spaces to seekers and every other dd. Wiz's are rare for a reason.

Even with equips good enough to tank BH SoT; and Aba; I'd rather use mystic, cleric, or veno because I'm not stuck in long ch/casts when I need to erupt to purify AND wiz sucks for holding 1-1aggro because of low dps. Sage wiz gets good aoe aggro from Dragon's Breath, but lacks the defense / hp recovery of demon.

I'm not saying to not squad wiz's: because there are many great ones out there. This thread is about one as a starter. Other people praise my wiz, but I see it's many shortcomings by playing other toons.

Cody__Tylor - Heavens Tear

1) Absolutely not, whoever says so are fail players. There are bosses that does magic (especially fire, water and earth types) and wizards CAN tank them at range much better than other classes especially during mid levels and high levels without having elite gear.

2) To me, it was slow because I kite so often as a wizard / usually heal in squads or tank when necessary.

3) Most boring moments are not class specific (except for veno or mystic >.>)

4) If you talk about gear above TT80 gold, then yeah. TT80 gold was one of the best gear back in the day too, still very good and not expensive neither (adding sockets is also cheaper because those are G10 equips), but if you want to be PVPing against others I suggest you go for G15 gear or better.

5) My main is a barb but I chose wizard to test out, they do fine to me. I just do not understand how they don't know how wizards work out unless they reach to endgame with these overpowered equips. I don't have those (nor spark on my genie) on my wiz and I play just fine, it is easy to avoid things especially with distance shrink. Plus I don't really use dragon's breath much.

6) Well playing the normal way was a regret because I feel like I'm the only one playing the game because areas were empty and that gets boring. Even though there are a few I know used to do that, but now they quit.

tweakz

Cody__Tylor - Heavens Tear wrote: »

1) Absolutely not, whoever says so are fail players. There are bosses that does magic (especially fire, water and earth types) and wizards CAN tank them at range much better than other classes especially during mid levels and high levels without having elite gear.

Name those bosses, how often you encounter them, how you expect to hold aggro, and how much more you spend on MP than other classes (could have been spent on gear). Consider how much longer it takes to solo quest on wiz than veno, cleric, psy, or mystic in those poor gears.

2) To me, it was slow because I kite so often as a wizard / usually heal in squads or tank when necessary.

Wiz heals in a squad are almost useless and often counter productive. I'd rather use HP pots and have wiz dd.

I use my wiz to tank BH SoT, but half the time someone dies and needs res because wiz can't hold aggro with G16 +12 weapon for ****. Mystic is far better for heals, and aggro.

3) Most boring moments are not class specific (except for veno or mystic >.>)

Boring can be individual perception also. Some people get so tickled just seeing how hard their wiz hits for even though it's soooo sloooow and only marginally higher per hit.

I'd suggest to the OP to make a Mystic as they're much more capable of healing, comparable at tanking, far better at sustained ranged dd, far more mp efficient (after 79 skill), far more useful in squads, and far better at soloing. If you want a wiz down the road; you can acct stash or swap equips or duo.

Best thing about being a wiz for me would probably be being able to do full RB's semi-afk while playing on alt box, but unless you get rich quick; you won't be doing that for a good while.

Alex_Gantz - Dreamweaver

tweaks.. why you don t shut up and go and lick some sin a s s ... come and face my wizzy and we will see how much we suck.. b:angry

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

Alex_Gantz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

tweaks.. why you don t shut up and go and lick some sin a s s ... come and face my wizzy and we will see how much we suck.. b:angry

there's a difference between endgame wizard and your average level 30 starter wizard...lol b:laugh

my wizard was annoying to level. Slow and SLOW. But it was fun.

Cody__Tylor - Heavens Tear

tweakz wrote: »

Name those bosses, how often you encounter them, how you expect to hold aggro, and how much more you spend on MP than other classes (could have been spent on gear). Consider how much longer it takes to solo quest on wiz than veno, cleric, psy, or mystic in those poor gears.

Qingzi, Kirixx, Calcid the flame, gluttonix, drake, mantavip, ofc some of them FC bosses, TT bosses (skilled ones I encountered have tanked them). It's called barrier too, even though they don't have skills that increase metal and wood defense they still have high enough M.DEF. I spend just as much as a cleric doing DD, and less than mystic. Anyways... MP is a factor? LOL!! MP pots, herb yuxiano and apoth are so cheap it is sad to comment on MP usage.

Wiz heals in a squad are almost useless and often counter productive. I'd rather use HP pots and have wiz dd.

QQing about wiz heals... I tanked successfully many times on my barb with a wiz healing, it all depends on survivalbility/healing power enough. I healed fine on my wizard as well and I mainly heal in squads with a wiz, cleric and mystic. Also you're judging sage/demon which gives a good bonus as well.

I use my wiz to tank BH SoT, but half the time someone dies and needs res because wiz can't hold aggro with G16 +12 weapon for ****. Mystic is far better for heals, and aggro.


Maybe it is because you are in squad with a sin/archer which have much better overall damage (and forgets about armor?) than both mystic and wiz? You have no idea how to chain / combo skills IJS.


Boring can be individual perception also. Some people get so tickled just seeing how hard their wiz hits for even though it's soooo sloooow and only marginally higher per hit.

Ever heard of a magical skill that makes them cast much faster? Maybe you never heard of that... Oh and some items (and demon spark) too

I'd suggest to the OP to make a Mystic as they're much more capable of healing, comparable at tanking, far better at sustained ranged dd, far more mp efficient (after 79 skill), far more useful in squads, and far better at soloing. If you want a wiz down the road; you can acct stash or swap equips or duo.

I agree with healing, wizard is better at tanking more bosses than mystics do, mystics barely have any attacks to be far better and that is obviously false, again with the MP efficiency... I use FAR more MP on my mystic than my wiz does, when it comes to using not a single potion, wizard comes out on top (they even have glacial embrace), far more useful in squads depends on the player (and seriously it is not hard); not the class and soloing I agree with but mystics are OP >.>

Best thing about being a wiz for me would probably be being able to do full RB's semi-afk while playing on alt box, but unless you get rich quick; you won't be doing that for a good while.

Lots of people think that doing just DB is the only use is just as smart as seekers just doing vortex is the only use.

MasterPerian - Lost City

1. Do wizards really suck in PVE matters? Yes and No
2. How was your experience on leveling yours?Difficult because no one wants a wizard unless its AOE instance.
3. What are the most boring moments of it? No one really wanting you in most instances.
4. Is it really expensive to gear up? If you want to get anywhere with a wizard then yes.
5. What made you choose Wizard? Its a Hard hitting class.
6. Any regret? b:shutup No

Toliman - Raging Tide

I always choose Wizard as main class in all games.

This is my gaming experience in PW:

princespectre wrote: »

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1. Do wizards really suck in PVE matters?
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They are good in PvE when we talk about AoE attack.

If character attack 1 mob, then he do X damage to mob, but when he attack many mobs, then he do X * (Number Of Mobs) damage, what is more.

Since Wizard is ranged class, then he has disadvantages in close fight:

1) he has low dps (damage per second, which he can do to one target),
2) his spells can be interrupted (even by simple hits) and he can be killed even before moment when his spell will do any damage:
Interrupted
Interrupted
Interrupted
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Death

If he will be stunned by enemy, then he will be not able to cast spells , run or do anything else without genie skill.

Wizard has least health (in comparison with other classes) and wear arcane armor, which has least physical defense.

princespectre wrote: »

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2. How was your experience on leveling yours?
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Leveled my Wizard myself and used him to tank all bosses except 2 bosses in bh69 and TT bosses.

I was not in FC though, since I hate powerleveling.

It does not matter if boss is magical or melee if you can use your skills and wear good equipment (for melee bosses very, very good equipment).

Too bad, that this game is so dependent from the Cash shop.

princespectre wrote: »

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3. What are the most boring moments of it?
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Repeatable quests and grinding. I had killed may be million(s) of mobs. And quests are always same (no mater what developers do).

princespectre wrote: »

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4. Is it really expensive to gear up?
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Yes, if you want to play and to be helpful for other players in PvE, then it is very expensive.

Best gear you can get from Cash Shop only, so someone must pay for it REAL money.

Is it expensive to pay real money for game ?

More than 1000 $ per character ?

princespectre wrote: »

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6. Any regret?
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If I could play this game, I would use Wizard character again, but it is impossible (see above explanations).

tweakz

Alex_Gantz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

tweaks.. why you don t shut up and go and lick some sin a s s ... come and face my wizzy and we will see how much we suck.. b:angry

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