Endgame, gear or weapon first?

Liveena - Heavens Tear

With NW giving raps/cannies which are flooding the markets, I've seen a sudden increase of player using nirvy weapon and some using S3 now.

Today I went into lunar on which squad leader are asking for weapon link, one of the member is a 101 seeker with S3 blade +12, however her gears are still tt90. As I expected, she became agro stealer during aoe and dies alot. b:surrender
(people who make bh squads based on weapon link beware, the weapon might be godly, but the rest may be not b:angry).

I've also been told by some player to make s3 weapon first, then the rest of the gear can follow. I disagree, I prefer to make the gear first (refining, shards and making it s3 if I ever find the mold), then make s3 weapon.

Since most people are selling s3 weapon mold on the ground, some people can even pay someone to make s3 weapon using lunar path from packs. This makes s3 weapon more accessible compare to gears.

Is there any other logic in prioritizing weapon first?

Xainou - Sanctuary

Weapon links squads mostly turn about to be rubbish imo.

I just keep it like make the weapon > refine to +5 max > get the armor before working on better refines. Although, getting armor first would be best ofc.

VKnightV - Lost City

as a former vit barb i have to disagree


armor shoudl of come last after having a best weapon u can afford with good refine


ofc i meant before u get r9 u alredy hade some what decent gear and all that

if u where hmm to have no gear or really **** gear tt7+ or so u will need bouth


why weapon cos we need damage imo

from having gear 1st i mean all pieces but belt and weapon i noted all gear wont help sht with damage

r8 pole axe suck dont ever get it its so **** its beyond ****

so 1st weapon then refien to ya +5 or so and go for rest of gear if u can

cos trust me if ppl see u with any r9 and u have no somewhat damage u will be called the worst of the worst.

see ppl dont care how many pieces of r9 u have if u have a singel piece u are r9 for life so if ur gona be r9 go for what kills ppl and that is the wreapon

__ian__ - Heavens Tear

As i always say go gear first . Sure a weapon first is nice yet if you don't one shot someone your going to be no use on the ground dead after they hit you.

VKnightV - Lost City

ok maybe this is pve and pvp related cos if ppl see a player who they see with r9 gear one or 6 pieces

and u cant do the amount of damage ur expected to ur gone be pked even mroe cos ur gone end up boosting there egos.

Zanryu - Dreamweaver

VKnightV - Lost City wrote: »

ok maybe this is pve and pvp related cos if ppl see a player who they see with r9 gear one or 6 pieces

and u cant do the amount of damage ur expected to ur gone be pked even mroe cos ur gone end up boosting there egos.

A +12 weapon is worthless if you're dead.

soundslegit

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Weapon links squads mostly turn about to be rubbish imo.

+1

Notice how the people making wep link squads don't link their own wep.

Sylvae - Sanctuary

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Weapon links squads mostly turn about to be rubbish imo.

I like when they ask weapon, but not if your skills are leveled, if you've done it before, pdef/mdef/health, or all the other things that often matter much more. I figure if they pass over without checking that, they don't know enough to be successful enough for me to take the risk. If failure is factored in, I'd rather the lead up be interesting at the very least.

RunningTiger - Dreamweaver

WIth final cast rank 9 it is better to get the armor first then the weapon. The armor will give you better def, more life, and even better attack. The weapon just adds even better attack.

I imagine with n3 it is similiar.

VKnightV - Lost City

RunningTiger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

WIth final cast rank 9 it is better to get the armor first then the weapon. The armor will give you better def, more life, and even better attack. The weapon just adds even better attack.

I imagine with n3 it is similiar.

let see r8 +10 poleaxe vs 3rd cast nv pole axe nope not even close weak weapon always gone be weak weapon.


dono about the r999 only talking about r9.

Zanryu - Dreamweaver

VKnightV - Lost City wrote: »

let see r8 +10 poleaxe vs 3rd cast nv pole axe nope not even close weak weapon always gone be weak weapon.


dono about the r999 only talking about r9.

You should not be allowed to post.

Liam_ - Sanctuary

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Weapon links squads mostly turn about to be rubbish imo.

This. I have never seen a genuinely pro and skilled player request weapon link for squad inv. They might have a quick peek at your gear before something tricky like full ws to see that you'll be ok, and also to judge who will have agro, who will need more or less support and so on, but that's about it.

Asking weapon link is born from players either being unconfident in their own ability, or just being plain lazy. I will never accept a squad invite if asked to link my weapon, despite the fact mine are well above adequate.

Also on topic. Gear and weapon, equally. One thing I really don't see enough is refined ornaments. Blademasters with ashura ornaments for example are depressing to see. My two rings alone add as much physical defence as a cleric buff used to add before I got them. On a caster good phys def ornaments are even more important. HP is literally worthless if you're as sturdy as a marshmallow and no type of recovery items or healing spells can keep up. After that, HP is good to have. And weapon is equally important. NOT "more" important.

Fonyan - Heavens Tear

While it's obviously better to get gear first, some servers *cough HT cough* are overpopulated with unintelligent apstards and the like who simply won't let you into the squad unless you have at least a s3 weapon. I tried making a squad the other day but left because the other members wanted me to ask for weapon links when world chatting for more people. Now I'm practically forced to get the weapon first because hey, it's logic right? -_-

VKnightV - Lost City

Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You should not be allowed to post.

likewise you shouldent be allowed to post either.

just cos you dont agree with how i see thing dont mean my view less real but i gues kids like you cant think nothing but for urself.

Zanryu - Dreamweaver

VKnightV - Lost City wrote: »

likewise you shouldent be allowed to post either.

just cos you dont agree with how i see thing dont mean my view less real but i gues kids like you cant think nothing but for urself.

You've shown on other threads that you have no idea what you're talking about. You can have your view, but just because it's yours doesn't make it any less wrong. Silly bear!

VKnightV - Lost City

Fonyan - Heavens Tear wrote: »

While it's obviously better to get gear first, some servers *cough HT cough* are overpopulated with unintelligent apstards and the like who simply won't let you into the squad unless you have at least a s3 weapon. I tried making a squad the other day but left because the other members wanted me to ask for weapon links when world chatting for more people. Now I'm practically forced to get the weapon first because hey, it's logic right? -_-

i think i have miss calculated here i am saying weapon 1st only if u alredy have decent gear prior to r9

as a barb it is important to have a decent damage as deffences are arways higher then other classes.

and even if you do pick weapon 1st do not get it +10 unless u have the rest of the set.

and 1st and second cast nv is much much weaker then 3rd cast nv by far as you refine it weapon wise and even more so pvp wise.

VKnightV - Lost City

Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You've shown on other threads that you have no idea what you're talking about. You can have your view, but just because it's yours doesn't make it any less wrong. Silly bear!

aaah and i seen countless qq thread about you are qq thread how bored you are etc etc and those dont make u seem any better.

go qq to ur lady why dont you who prolly or dudes pretending to be girl on there pixel toons i dont care as long as you go away kid.

i am not here to entertain silly kid like you.

Zanryu - Dreamweaver

VKnightV - Lost City wrote: »

aaah and i seen countless qq thread about you are qq thread how bored you are etc etc and those dont make u seem any better.

go qq to ur lady why dont you who prolly or dudes pretending to be girl on there pixel toons i dont care as long as you go away kid.

i am not here to entertain silly kid like you.

Really? You're doing a pretty good job of it with your misguided opinions and silly insults. b:chuckle

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

If you are squishy get gears first, if you have good survivability with what you have get weap. I would say it depend, some people often tell caster to get the R9rr weap first cause of purify, but if the person have 6k hp and is one shot, the purify on weap won't save him from be 1-2 shot, but if a caster have like 12k hp and 10k p.def then yea go ahead for weapon first cause yes it will be OP.

Depend on each case I think.

VKnightV - Lost City

Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Really? You're doing a pretty good job of it with your misguided opinions and silly insults. b:chuckle

i dont remember insulting you before you started

VKnightV - Lost City

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

If you are squishy get gears first, if you have good survivability with what you have get weap. I would say it depend, some people often tell caster to get the R9rr weap first cause of purify, but if the person have 6k hp and is one shot, the purify on weap won't save him from be 1-2 shot, but if a caster have like 12k hp and 10k p.def then yea go ahead for weapon first cause yes it will be OP.

Depend on each case I think.

+1

that i can agree on

hen i must have made the right choice even tho i hate the choice i made

but life goes on and sometimes u learn the harsh reality with big punches in the gut

Lecus - Lost City

VKnightV - Lost City wrote: »

aaah and i seen countless qq thread about you are qq thread how bored you are etc etc and those dont make u seem any better.

go qq to ur lady why dont you who prolly or dudes pretending to be girl on there pixel toons i dont care as long as you go away kid.

i am not here to entertain silly kid like you.

Learn to use shift and maybe a capital letter and people would maybe not snicker at you ehhh?

Selak - Dreamweaver

Personally I prefer getting gear first over wep. no point in stealing attraction unless you are built to handle it.
Lesson learnt over 30 years playing PC games.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Depend on case, but also on what the person plan to do, for someone that just PVE then doesn't really matter cause a 5kp can do every PVE in the game, if the person do TW then the important think to check is survivability for majority of the class.

On my mystic everyone tell me to go for the weapon first, but end game 2-3 shots me in 1-2 seconds, so even if I get the r9rr purify weap +12 with Icebourn, that won't save me, cause as mystic I won't 3 shots a archer R9rr full JosD more fast then he will 2-3 shots me.

I usually PVP and NW in squad/group and TW is a group thing too, so my goal is not to absolutely kill someone alone, it's to survive enough to support my squad.

So depend how the person play his class, what the person do, the choice is not the same for every one.

KissOfFaith - Lost City

weapon link, lol.

I seen +5 sin do better in ws then a full r9+10.

when you compare Lunar and ws to NV I don't think you can jusdge it the same way. nv don't have a huge bunch of mob to get to the boss.

This is just some rich people who want to get multiple run in 1 day so they can sell services.

IMO they should get ignored, they don't need to sell this service they already have the money.

Annalyse - Heavens Tear

I go for weapon first provided I have adequate gears. For example - staying at TT90 and getting high grade weapon at 100+ is stupid. But upgrading to lunar/TT99 is sufficient to keep you alive (sharded and refined decently).

FanFon - Dreamweaver

Weak noobs are more handy than dead op noobs.


Gear>refines(+5 atleast)>weapons>(+10 wep?)

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

KissOfFaith - Lost City wrote: »

nv don't have a huge bunch of mob to get to the boss.

In all fairness... sometimes (more often then I would liked) I really would much more prefer having mobs fight along side with me then some of those poor excuse for players.

HrunsPanda - Archosaur

You come with an example case so extreme that i find it hard to believe. You are probably just trolling and trying to point out how people are overly focussed on weapons and suck otherwise.

A +12 G16 weapon with TT90 gear. If that weapon would have been +10, the money saved would have been enough to have a complete G16 armor with it. Reduce it more to +7, and the whole armor can be refined a reasonable bit as well.
It's just about the balance in refinements. Yes, get the armor before you refine your weapon to +12. But surely no problem getting your weapon and refining it +3, 4 or 5 before getting any G16 armor.

Desdi - Sanctuary

It depends on what kind of gear you already have, as suggested. If you have adequate armor and decently refined ornaments, getting a weapon first might be an alright choice.
However, if your gear is pretty bad, then you'll definitely need to work on upgrading that first.

Another option would be to get a few pieces of armor and then get the weapon with a decent refine, then go back to completing your armor.

Whether you TW, NW or just PvE also does play a role. It's wise for support classes to work on gear first so they can survive long enough to support their team. Nuke classes might choose to upgrade their weapon first since their main job is to kill etc.

VKnightV - Lost City

Lecus - Lost City wrote: »

Learn to use shift and maybe a capital letter and people would maybe not snicker at you ehhh?

as if i listen to someone hidding on his alt