Why don't archers Barrage in NW?

soundslegit
soundslegit Posts: 472 Arc User
edited March 2013 in Archer
I can't remember seeing a single barrage during NW. Why won't archers use this skill? So many times I've seen a cluster of people around the flag spawn point in the pit and thought if I was on archer I'd barrage that whole mess but no one ever does it.
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  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I always barrage if i see a group of people at the flag from the enemy team.
    idk what kind of archers are on your server that dont or perhaps its just the instances you've been getting in havent got very smart archers
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  • Dylena - Raging Tide
    Dylena - Raging Tide Posts: 1,416 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Because chi can be used for better things, barrage is only worth using if there is a large chunk of people.
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  • mogwai
    mogwai Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    yeh, i can think of 4 other reasons

    -target out of range before channeling has finished.
    -dead before channeling has finished.
    -expensive/time consuming to make all those apo's for a skill that just gets them killed.
    -archer just rezzed 4 seconds ago & didn't even buff yet let alone charge 2 sparks.
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  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I can't remember seeing a single barrage during NW. Why won't archers use this skill? So many times I've seen a CLUSTER of people around the flag spawn point in the pit and thought if I was on archer I'd barrage that whole mess but no one ever does it.

    But yeah I agree, unless its a particularly strong group of people clustered around the flag you might as well just 1 shot them with a non chi costing AOE like STA or TB.
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  • Chelestine - Heavens Tear
    Chelestine - Heavens Tear Posts: 193 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Either there's a difference between servers or you just don't notice as an archer yourself, because I (on veno) always have to make sure I stay away from crowds, or I'll get hf / barraged to death every time!
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  • Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands Posts: 7,231 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I see sometime archer barrage especially when the flag is in the middle and there everyone there.
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  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I forget to use Barrage. *sobs*
  • Facerolled - Raging Tide
    Facerolled - Raging Tide Posts: 334 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Simply don't need to barrage in NW. Most encounters are with 2 shots which makes BoA pointless.
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Clusters of oneshots sound like a job for STA.
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  • Lyritha - Heavens Tear
    Lyritha - Heavens Tear Posts: 447 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    barrage is not always a good option.... especially if what you are using it on is going to receive minimal damage or in the case of a psychic get you sealed.... now provided they had no target previously you then are target and will be killed...
  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Simply don't need to barrage in NW. Most encounters are with 2 shots which makes BoA pointless.
    Clusters of oneshots sound like a job for STA.

    Both of these.
    ...in the case of a psychic get you sealed...

    That doesn't interrupt the barrage, though.
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  • _blood_rain - Sanctuary
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary Posts: 2,532 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    well barrage also has the effect of scaring people and this can help your situation depending on said situation. I'm not insanely overgeared so it's prob more useful to me in some cases than a Full 3rd cast, but even so I rarely find myself needing to use it.

    And I don't know where u get the idea that archers don't barrage in NW, as I've seen quite a few fail single target barrages in my NW experiences :3
  • Badonkajonck - Archosaur
    Badonkajonck - Archosaur Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    well barrage also has the effect of scaring people and this can help your situation depending on said situation. I'm not insanely overgeared so it's prob more useful to me in some cases than a Full 3rd cast, but even so I rarely find myself needing to use it.

    And I don't know where u get the idea that archers don't barrage in NW, as I've seen quite a few fail single target barrages in my NW experiences :3

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  • Steellust - Sanctuary
    Steellust - Sanctuary Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    There is just not a big group of targets to use it on. I've used it only a few times where I see an op squad taking down my team mates. It brakes up their team for the few seconds they run away from it. Sometimes enough time for more of my team to have a chance at pushing them back. Other than that its a waste of chi..
  • Troll_demon - Harshlands
    Troll_demon - Harshlands Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    that skill cost too much mp and chi and it is better to use demon spark
  • Valirah - Sanctuary
    Valirah - Sanctuary Posts: 522 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I use it on occasion, trick is finding a suitable group to target. BoA's wide range is what makes it preferable to other archer AoEs, as a Sage I can often spare the sparks.

    My best use of it was a couple weeks back, I got separated from my squad and went in solo to defend a territory. Somehow managed to cap once, but being pretty much alone things were looking very grim, enemy was 1 cap away from a win. A well geared enemy archer grabbed the flag, and I'm not sure if his stuff was on CD or he just wanted to milk some points, started creeping towards the cap with his entire entourage. I popped an IG BoA on him and cleared out the entire group. Was able to dig the flag one more time and won the instance when time ran out. b:victory
  • soundslegit
    soundslegit Posts: 472 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I forget to use Barrage. *sobs*

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  • Sint - Harshlands
    Sint - Harshlands Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I use it on occasion, trick is finding a suitable group to target. BoA's wide range is what makes it preferable to other archer AoEs, as a Sage I can often spare the sparks.

    My best use of it was a couple weeks back, I got separated from my squad and went in solo to defend a territory. Somehow managed to cap once, but being pretty much alone things were looking very grim, enemy was 1 cap away from a win. A well geared enemy archer grabbed the flag, and I'm not sure if his stuff was on CD or he just wanted to milk some points, started creeping towards the cap with his entire entourage. I popped an IG BoA on him and cleared out the entire group. Was able to dig the flag one more time and won the instance when time ran out. b:victory

    So wait... you go alone vs well geared archer and entire entourage... Well geared archer + entourage dies to your BoA... You solo defense for 20 minutes? Sounds likely.
  • Iyania - Heavens Tear
    Iyania - Heavens Tear Posts: 612 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    The reason I don't use barrage much in NW is quite simple...


    I use barrage to continue attacking as I trash talk

    Now in NW it's hard to tell who is who unless you know their face and fash and what their char generally looks like, but basically I don't know who most people are so I don't need to trash talk



    ............well and there's not that many clusters, etc. etc. etc. all the regular reasons, but that is the reason I haven't seen mentioned yet.
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  • ShaiFatali - Lost City
    ShaiFatali - Lost City Posts: 203 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I usually NW on my archer, so I speak from experience.

    I personally avoid BoA when targets are moving too much because I'm not sure if BoA continues when the targets go out of range - does it? When people are clumped up around the flag, I sometimes BoA if I have the chi, which I usually don't as a demon archer.

    It also makes you a sitting duck, and I'm not super well geared so being a sitting duck isn't always a good thing!
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  • Walpurga - Dreamweaver
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,028 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I usually NW on my archer, so I speak from experience.

    I personally avoid BoA when targets are moving too much because I'm not sure if BoA continues when the targets go out of range - does it? When people are clumped up around the flag, I sometimes BoA if I have the chi, which I usually don't as a demon archer.

    It also makes you a sitting duck, and I'm not super well geared so being a sitting duck isn't always a good thing!

    it doesn't continue. But yea, I barrage into the flag pit. Actually once I spent 3 herbs worth of barrage time into a contested pit and no one bothered to kill my TT90 ***
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  • Valirah - Sanctuary
    Valirah - Sanctuary Posts: 522 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    So wait... you go alone vs well geared archer and entire entourage... Well geared archer + entourage dies to your BoA... You solo defense for 20 minutes? Sounds likely.

    I didn't say I was completely alone. I said I went in alone, without anyone from my squad. It was several minutes into the battle when I joined, but no one had capped yet. There were a few other people there, but they were being farmed out fast while mindlessly PKing in the mid. I had little to no help taking out the enemy flag carriers and was likely the only one on my side attempting to dig.

    I stopped one or two flags, let one through, dug a few and managed to cap one of before that barrage scenario went down. At that point there were still three other people on my side, but it had been a few minutes since I had last seen any of them. When the enemy dug that flag, I thought for sure all was lost, especially after I saw that he had a large escort. I figured I'd go out in an IGed blaze of glory, and popped my BoA. Was shocked that I dropped everyone, flag guy being the last to fall. Was even more shocked when I pulled off the win on the next flag reset with 0 respawns left.
  • deathfreeze
    deathfreeze Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Cuz they ran out of ammo
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I didn't say I was completely alone. I said I went in alone, without anyone from my squad. It was several minutes into the battle when I joined, but no one had capped yet. There were a few other people there, but they were being farmed out fast while mindlessly PKing in the mid. I had little to no help taking out the enemy flag carriers and was likely the only one on my side attempting to dig.

    That happen to me all the time. Of my squad I was the only one who got in to the battle... so I guess i can say that I went in solo... too bad there was already 19 other people on my side in there already.
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  • Valirah - Sanctuary
    Valirah - Sanctuary Posts: 522 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    That happen to me all the time. Of my squad I was the only one who got in to the battle... so I guess i can say that I went in solo... too bad there was already 19 other people on my side in there already.

    Looking back, I should have worded my initial post better, I didn't mean to give the impression that I was totally alone, there were maybe 7 others when I first got there. What I was getting at was that no one else was doing anything to stop the enemy flag or dig it for our side. By the end the couple of people still there on my side were likely off hiding somewhere, nowhere to be seen, leaving me "pretty much alone".
  • Sint - Harshlands
    Sint - Harshlands Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I see sometime archer barrage especially when the flag is in the middle and there everyone there.

    good to see bella still roams these places.

    People don't barrage because it doesn't kill the people worth killing, and you can kill the others with STA.