-chan and g16

Father_gold - Sanctuary

so i'm almost to lvl 100 on cleric and im looking to re-evaluate my gear plan. before g16, my plan was to have stage 2 vana and r8/r8r mix getting as much -chan and p.def as i could and relying on refines for hp/pdef(orna).

now that wearing full g16 gives the benefit of the att and def lvls, im left wondering if everyone is sacrificing their channeling for the better derived stats? and given that it seems to be a decent move, would it also be at least more feasible now to shard savants for -chan into r8/r8r weapon instead of sapphires?

Desdi - Sanctuary

I gave up on channeling for the sake of full G16 Nirvana (although I use the WOCC mostly). Then again, I didn't really have a choice since I was getting the set for my Venomancer so my Cleric was, inevitably, going to have it as well.

I do feel the -chan difference after switching but I'm pretty happy with the higher defences and the boost in survivability I have now. I just need to react a little faster when casting things like Wellspring Surge or CHB but overall, whilst I feel the difference, I haven't noticed any significant change in my healing. I still manage to keep my squad mates alive in most situations and heal efficiently. In my opinion, reflexes and reaction time (as well as, hopefully, not having any sort of lag) are more important.

As for sharding savants...I don't know. I don't think the -6% (provided you get two of them) is worth the money and the shard slot instead of getting higher magic attack (and heals). Personally I'd say no but others might think otherwise.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

I do feel a change, but I feel also the boost on survivability.

With the rings and sleeves it's 16% chan, if you are lucky you can get chan on the weap (I do get 3% on mine).

The only thing maybe you can do is get the full set and get/keep a channeling cape. If you are not a metal mage the +20 attack level bonus for the full set is not the most important for cleric, I personally use a p.def cape, but someone that want more chan could get the chan one for when it's needed. Which would bring you at 24% chan. (or use the G16 cape and the warsoull head)

Also if you get the G16 weap you will have 40 attack level. I personally use that, G16 weap, 5 pieces for the 15 defense bonus and my p.def cape (which someone could use chan cape I guess). Which give 12~24% chan (27% if get some on the weapon).

As cleric I would personally not put chan shard in weapon, but some do, it's a personal choice.

Father_gold - Sanctuary

good responses.

while my pre-100 cleric gives me a good idea of the need for 2 weaps, i can understand the choice to stick with G16. personally i'll be getting r8 normal first, then recasting it and rolling for purify. purify on the r8r glaive to me is just golden (i have no current intentions on r9 cleric, i have 1 r9 and thats not even fully finished).

i think the current environment calls for 2 weaps, depending on play-style u dont have to worry about +10'ing both. i just think it may be possible to fit more -chan(i think aroun -24% "smooths" out the casting of skills) while keeping most of the g16 set.

i think i can be content with 5 pieces (keeping the r8 chest, no recast), while i work on r8r glaive and make a g16 sword or something to share between alts (cleric n veno). i have much gear between all my alts and i'm trying to upgrade and have a decent variety to satisfy ha/la/aa and avoiding too much rank gear since it can't be stashed.

thumbs

-Ch makes more difference to wiz and even they generally benefit from G16.

Father_gold - Sanctuary

^ hmmmmm, i understand that. i'm not asking about wearing g16 or not, i'm asking about the consideration for -chan. this is more a question concerning sharding and how much g16 to wear. with full set you have rings, tome, neck, and belt to worry about. most go the p.def route (which is beyond reasonable) but i feel that if you can squeeze in some more channeling, it may balance power versus channeling which will result in an overall increase in survivability.

i NW on psy and i notice i can beat cleric to the punch pretty well wearing mostly r9 and p.def cape. if the clerics i encounter had a bit more channeling they would at least be a bit more competitive. nevermind that the diff in def/att lvls would not matter to the amount of damage i deal

Calitae - Sanctuary

I've always maintained the same attitude towards channeling/crit on my cleric. I think that where possible, -chan is nice but I certainly won't kill myself for it. G16 has provided me with that much more survivability I won't turn back to my r8 chest. What good is that -XXX% chan if you're lying dead on the floor before you can think about channelling a heal? b:surrender

Aeliah - Dreamweaver

More -channeling is always useful. However usually it comes at a cost. In terms of pve and pvp, get the most -channeling you can that doesn't gravely impact your survivability. r9rr is great for this because you get some extra -channel without giving up any survivability. Or, if you can, substitute two -6% pieces with a single -12% channeling piece. And yes refine the -12% piece, cuz even a little bit of extra magic defense is better than none!

Aeliah

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

nice to see you post here father_nub

Vital_Slash - Sanctuary

I don't really know about getting Chan, since cleric spells are pretty fast already. Although, there could be a good difference when you get it, id say get Chan, but make sure that you have the survivalbility to afford the -chan equipment, cause the usual times i see -chan is on gear that makes you sacrifice defense.

OontzOontz - Dreamweaver

If your not pvping, might as well stick with g15 with -10 channeling.

Father_gold - Sanctuary

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

nice to see you post here father_nub

a wild seeker appears b:shocked~! i post here every once and again, but cleric questions i have are usually already answered by searching the first 3 pages of threads. cleric section just got it like that. b:victory

i think i'm going to focus on maintaining decent channeling. i've spoken to a few clerics who recently upgrades to full g16 and they are not happy with it. channeling does impact how smooth you cast and certainly matter more if you are healing in a WC squad of randoms with bad refines. i've seen it personally the need to be able to "purple beam" a squishy sin that won't stop stealing aggro or attacks poison mobs. being able to fire off a demon wellspring is also important since that skill is on the longer side of things (this came up while solo healing for a WB, sonic oppressor to be exact).


g16 makes you sturdy, but just like other classes walking around with 2 sets of gear, clerics need to acknowledge they need gear for looking out for themselves and gear for effective healing.

thank you all for the responses

edit: lol it doesn't even reflect that my cleric is 100 now lol