Petition to stop free frosts for seekers!

Temara - Lost City

Hi there. Some may know me, some may not, but I'm a regular Frostseller on Lost City. Recently its really annoying. I want to help lower lvl players to lvl faster, and easier for a low price, so I sell it quite cheap. But still Seekers want it for free, which is quite inconsiderate of the one who cleared everything.

In my opinion: If they want "free" Frost, they should go on ahead and form a squad for their respective lvl-range.

So why do ppl even give it free to seekers? Can't be cause it's "faster", since that is not true. I've seen squads who 2-3 shotted the big pull in BR and there was no damn seeker around them. 7

If its just for Vortex.... Lets break this one apart:

Why no free runs for the following then:

BM: AoE Stun and Dragons make it easier and faster

Cleric: Buffs and heals make it easier and cost alot of MP for the caster

Psy: AoE Stun, able to pull, and can even AoE Heal

Wiz: AoE Stun and massive Damage

Sin: W/o a sins BP a seeker isnt worth anything in BR

Barb: Their buffs and ability to hold aggro make it easier on anyone!

Veno: Able 2 transfer CHi to those who need it, and bramble is verry usefull in pulls

Archer: Has an AoE that also stays on when casted on the NPC, and its 79 skill can make the puller run faster!

Myst: Healing Herb is like BB and doesnt get interupted, in addition to that the Myst can Heal or DD while that Plant is out.

So you see, almost every other class has more advantages in Frost then a seeker, so why not give THEM free runs? Hell why dont we all give Bigrooms away totally for free then?

The conclusion is easy: Every one plays their part in a Bigroom, and therefore everyone has to pay unless it is a Free Bigroom. For those who actually WONT Frost w/o a Seeker (I had that aswell, ppl leaving a squad that was more then capable just cause there was no seeker!) My generation of Players Frosted w/o Seekers and even w/o Hypers, since both were not released yet! So get over it. A barb (or some1 else) can do the pull and as long as there is some1 to stun the mobs then (BM,Wiz,Psy) it is easier and in most occausions even faster. (Unless u have a full R9 +12 Seeker doing it which is most unlikely)

SO all u Frost sellers, think about it a bit. With what do seekers deserve it free? It can easily be done w/o them!

Zanryu - Dreamweaver

People buy FC because they want things to come easily, it's the same principle. They want the big room done by a Seeker in their level range because Seekers can solo it with BP alone. Instead of having their xp nerfed by the person selling the room everyone gets full xp, which obviously sounds much better to the people buying. I'm guessing the people you or others sell to on your server probably refuse to let you solo the big room and insist on a Seeker.

If that's the case then I'm not shocked they want it for free, they know they're NEEDED because the people buying insist on them coming for the most bang for their buck, and when classes are needed they tend to want payment for their services, whether or not they need whatever they're helping out with simply because they know they're wanted that badly.

A lot of Frost sellers probably don't care about sacrificing 1 or 200k, whatever the price per person is on your server because it's only a few hundred k, it makes little difference on the overall total, so instead of wait and wait for one more person they just get a Seeker and let them come for free because it's easier for them and easier for the squad, and with enough people doing this it becomes the norm.

It's the same reason Barbs and Clerics would get first pick in TT, Barbs and Seekers would request payment for Delta, and why.. well I can't think of another example, but you get my point. In any case, if you don't like it, make it clear there are no free rides and offer to solo the room yourself. In all the time I've played Loth I've only had one person complain about me soloing the room, and that was during an experiment where I multicliented a 102 sin to experiment with since they said it would be okay to do so. They said on other servers someone logs their Seeker to do the room so they get better xp, which is something I have no interest in. I can't be bothered leveling a Seeker for the sole purpose of FC when it's an instance I haven't sold in well over a month. Though it's certainly an idea you could put to use, get one to 80, gear it up, solo to big room on your sin then log your Seeker. I believe the saying goes if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. May as well adapt.

soundslegit

If this was just a QQ thread I wouldn't care but your abuse of logic requires a response.

You are SELLING a product. Don't sell people something and then expect them to do all the work after having paid you. They pay you so they don't have to do work. Its called Life. Yes, a properly composed squad of competent and experienced players can handle FC pulls without a seeker. BUT THEY PAID YOU. They gave you money. If they want to do all the work themselves there is no reason to pay.

Since its always sins who solo FC that sin is always there to give bloodpaint. With that and herb pots any seeker over 75 should be able to solo the pull. And paying customers want that. They want a work free result. The seeker is in a sense the other employee in this enterprise.

Anyway prices are determined by supply and demand. Seekers get more experience from soloing PV then from FC. When I was leveling up my seeker and I signed on for free FC big room part of my motive was to get buffed up with BP so I could quickly tele to archo and do a PV run. Same with bounty hunter quests at that level, I did them more to get buffed up then the puny exp rewards. When you can get more exp from soloing PV why pay for FC?


note: I'm not really this angry I just think its funny that you want people to pay so they can do work.

Staryu - Dreamweaver

You don't need bp to solo mob part in there. Just put vortex up and expel.

Maldarrna - Sanctuary

soundslegit wrote: »

If this was just a QQ thread I wouldn't care but your abuse of logic requires a response.

You are SELLING a product. Don't sell people something and then expect them to do all the work after having paid you. They pay you so they don't have to do work. Its called Life. Yes, a properly composed squad of competent and experienced players can handle FC pulls without a seeker. BUT THEY PAID YOU. They gave you money. If they want to do all the work themselves there is no reason to pay.

Since its always sins who solo FC that sin is always there to give bloodpaint. With that and herb pots any seeker over 75 should be able to solo the pull. And paying customers want that. They want a work free result. The seeker is in a sense the other employee in this enterprise.

Anyway prices are determined by supply and demand. Seekers get more experience from soloing PV then from FC. When I was leveling up my seeker and I signed on for free FC big room part of my motive was to get buffed up with BP so I could quickly tele to archo and do a PV run. Same with bounty hunter quests at that level, I did them more to get buffed up then the puny exp rewards. When you can get more exp from soloing PV why pay for FC?


note: I'm not really this angry I just think its funny that you want people to pay so they can do work.

...YEAH! i mean.... im sure the seeker doesnt get any EXP in the process of "working his a$$ off" b:laugh
so he/she shouldnt pay.

And people pay for the EXP, when they buy heads/mobs/boss or any of those three.
Not for some special service where a seeker has to do everything for them.

I was reselling some FCC rooms the other day and was in a pinch cuz we had no cleric..i worldchatted 5-6 times but i only got replies like these:

"I only come if its free!"
"Its free right?..Im a cleric..."

Even after i told them they would only have to pay half the fee,they still wanted it for free....well...i just quickly logged my own cleric. b:laughb:bye

Edit: The mobs/boss/heads can be done with a normal squad,you DONT NEED a seeker or sin..or "insert class here". Just get a good squad.

ovenusarmanio

Personally, I never obliged this except for one time only. And that one time a seeker came in and said she'd do it and then leave at the heads since she didn't think it was fair that sellers always had to give away stuff when she played her sin. Which was just a stroke of pure luck. Not that long ago it was clerics that got the free ride. Now it's seekers. Just sell the FC the way you want to sell it. If someone doesn't like the way you sell it, they can leave. You'll spend more money on teles, but whatever. People who can't do FC bigroom w/o a seeker are the people I don't want powerlevelling anyway. Especially the few times I had barbs ask. But that's just me. Just because it's the norm doesn't mean you have to do it that way. You may make less in opportunity costs though since sometimes the time it takes to find one is about the same amount of time it would have taken you to be half way through the next one. I don't know about how it is now (or how it's ever been on your server) because I haven't sold one in a while but usually this wasn't an issue for me and I found one in less than five minutes.

edit: As for the seekers, of course they ask to come for free. They get it free often enough that they know that they can. You can't blame them for asking.