Trouble leveling

Zanryu - Dreamweaver

Kitkate - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Yeah i wasnt saying it was impossible, im saying it would of been very difficult, and the way the OP was talking about wanting to level fast i doubt they would of dedicated 2 hours to doing one FC run. That would of been leveling too slow for his taste. I on the other hand, loved doing junk like that.

I can't stand 30 minute FCs, let alone a 2 hour+ one.

Kitkate - Dreamweaver

Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I can't stand 30 minute FCs, let alone a 2 hour+ one.

I think its fine with a fun squad. Its just most squads arent fun anymore, just whiny.

gyroki

If you want to level up fast, just buy solo frost. Some ppl sell it for 1.5-2m per run normally. It's the fastest way to lvl up, just ask for it in word chat. At 100+ you still could buy pv service.

And if you want to be a good gamer, just read forum. But also don't forget to ask more experienced players because alot of content in forum is outdated or was bs from very beginning. If you want to be better than those questing noobs here in this thread, just read e.g. more about genie skills at ecatomb.net. You can do thousands of quests and kill millions of mobs and still don't understand the skills of your class, skills of other classes/opponents or genie skills. But that's what this game is about. It's about fighting. Everyone is wearing gear and weapon all the time for a reason.

Quests never motivated most of us in this game, they are all pretty boring. They were outdated even 4-5 years ago, every 5-6 year old offline rpg like e.g. oblivion was better. Fonts are to small, npcs have no voice, there is no situational music, world and npcs are static, killing mobs has literally no effect to world. Many mobs are even not aggressive and you have still to kill them. And they have no AI. Lame. If this would be the game, the game would be already dead for years.

The game offers better content at high lvls, imo it starts at 95+, when you can enter morai and farm some skills. Some lowbie instances are nice to look at, like fb39, 59 or 69, but only for a few times, then they are getting boring. That's why I wouldn't level up only by doing BHs.

Ignore those noobs, just play the game as it was and is obviously intended. Wannabe gamers which "play" this game for years and never reach 90+ are just ridiculous and don't understand the game. They should better play an offline rpg, those have better graphics, stories and atmosphere.

Btw, don't go for R8 with your seeker. Go for nv 3rd cast which is pretty cheap now - or for r9, if you can afford it. R8 is a waste of coins nowadays and you event couldn't trade this gear with account stash.

Tsukyini - Raging Tide

Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I can't stand 30 minute FCs, let alone a 2 hour+ one.

You clear FC in under 30 minutes? Excellent!

Can't wait for that server merge. b:mischievous

Zanryu - Lothranis

Tsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »

You clear FC in under 30 minutes? Excellent!

Can't wait for that server merge. b:mischievous

But how will I find you, I have no idea what your name is b:chuckle

Tsukyini - Raging Tide

Zanryu - Lothranis wrote: »

But how will I find you, I have no idea what your name is b:chuckle

Oh, that's quite alright, I know what your name is. b:sin

Zanryu - Lothranis

Tsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »

Oh, that's quite alright, I know what your name is. b:sin

Oh? You gonna stalk me. You should know I do some pretty horrible things to my stalkers. b:sin

MANray_ - Sanctuary

I think most of you are missing the point it's really not that easy for inexperienced players. Given the current population at low level ranges you'll be lucky if you find even a handful of same level people on your path, and if you do somehow manage to make a friend, the different leveling rates are likely to separate you early on... So, you go at it as if playing a single player game and with a much steeper learning curve than most of us had, as well as the handicap of finding as early as fb19 you need squads or the help of higher levels. This means most bosses, as well as your bh runs, which aren't all that easy to find. And you're doing this through the DQ nerf, meaning your best source of income is likely to be quest rewards. Yes, you could farm herbs or mats, good luck going against long established merchants on a market that sells slow and requires you to have a good amount of liquid assets to cover your daily operating costs. Let's say you do charge some zhen, there's a good chance a large part of it you'll spend in not feeling like a deprived pauper, and even good long term common sense investments, such as an inventory extension, won't help you make ends meet. And this is assuming you won't make costly mistakes.

Oh, but you can find a guild, which however helpful and good meaning does mean peer pressure to level up. Especially once you realize higher level does mean better income. Perhaps you end up putting a lot more hours than you had originally planned. Now, every once in a while you may find someone leveling an alt selling FCC spots for 50-100k, but for the bulk of your leveling you'll have to either pay full price (200-300k) or pony up 1mil+, and likely not get half of that back, to buy a full room. Let's say you really make it into a dedicated guild, how much is it reasonable to expect? 4-5 runs a week? Seriously? That's far from power leveling.. And we still haven't gotten to the upfront costs of getting hypers. If you're doing BH a good half of your runs you'll either be begging higher levels to solo for you or else try to organize your own runs, which in practical terms means you'll be paying for wines. I mean good luck finding runs you only have to pay a split for through most of the leveling curve. Yeah, there's lucid, which becomes all but useless at mid-high levels. And there's faction quests, going for about the same xp you'd get from CS...

Just because a well established player can power level his way at a profit, it doesn't mean it's that easy for those learning the game. What apparently it is very easy to do is lose touch of the reality that's playing this game for most players. And let's cut the leetist BS, I'm as slow a leveler as they come and I'll be the first one to tell you how inefficient gearing up at lower levels really is, how slow going it actually is to farm/grind your resources and how little in the way of valuable experience you'll get through most of that process. As an established player, someone who needs not worry about operating costs and who can certainly spare more than a few million, it is hard for me to level on the days I actually want to get some experience. On a good gaming session I can get 3 BH runs or a couple of FCCs for not even a lousy 30% xp... And many days this means I'm going out of my way to organize the runs I want myself, if I'm being lazy or just looking to catch whatever's on WC is not unusual for me to spend the better part of 2 hours idling on Archo. It takes me a week to level once if I'm actively trying, or a weekend of 6+ hours sessions, which I'm usually loath to do. Let's be honest about the actual time and effort leveling takes.

Toomaga - Heavens Tear

Allisandre - Sanctuary wrote: »

You could.. like... do quests and play the game...

BH's are questb:chuckle.

EarthProtect - Harshlands

Fine. Whatever ill do quests are you happy? b:angry

Teseanna - Heavens Tear

pwi is soft these days. leveling should be a breeze for you.

Fryvorg - Sanctuary

When I leveled from 70-85 a year ago, I did quests while using Hyper Stones. Combined with BH and Crazy Stone, it went pretty fast. From 80 onwards leveling by questing only became definitely harder, so I decided to add Cube of Fate and World Quest to my list. I could do 30% exp in 3 hours daily, which is still not that bad. After having hit 85, I started FCC'ing in squads. Every run gave me around 3m exp for 1 hour max. You can calculate yourself how fast this went then ;D When I hit 95, I only did FCC occasionally, when I did my Morai quests and its dailies (and weekly), along with some cube runs and I didn't mind the slow progress in leveling, because I had more important things to do.

Now, with the option of reflecting, which is pretty damn good exp for lower levels, and the newly revamped quests I would've reached my mile stones (85, 95, 100) way faster. Also, the faction daily grants much exp, but I decided to stay independent until 100 :P

And the best instance to learn your class is FB69, it really taught me what a good Cleric needs to do. If you really have to power-level, master this instance (at best unwined b:sin), and you'll be prepared for all the others, imo.

Kitkate - Dreamweaver

Fryvorg - Sanctuary wrote: »

When I leveled from 70-85 a year ago, I did quests while using Hyper Stones. Combined with BH and Crazy Stone, it went pretty fast. From 80 onwards leveling by questing only became definitely harder, so I decided to add Cube of Fate and World Quest to my list. I could do 30% exp in 3 hours daily, which is still no that bad. After having ht 85, I started FCC'ing in squads. Every run gave me around 3m exp for 1 hour max. You can calculate yourself how fast this went then ;D When I hit 95, I only did FCC occasionally, when I did my Morai quests and its dailies (and weekly), along with some cube runs and I didn't mind the slow progress in leveling, because I had more important things to do.

Now, with the option of reflecting, which is pretty damn good exp for lower levels, and the newly revamped quests I would've reached my mile stones (85, 95, 100) way faster. Also, the faction daily grants much exp, but I decided to stay independent until 100 :P

And the best instance to learn your class is FB69, it really taught me what a good Cleric needs to do. If you really have to power-level, master this instance (at best unwined b:sin), and you'll be prepared for all the others, imo.

I love fb69 unwined. It is probably the most fun i have had with a squad. Granted it was before hypers and FC craze, so no grouchy get the instance done fast people. I had a squad of friends and we used to run it everyday. After we finished the instance i had a friend who was a wizzy. She would run into the back room where nob and pole were and aggro all the mobs and die just for fun, then port back to town. That shows how much we cared about gaining exp quickly.b:chuckle

gouraudpalm2

Obvious troll is obvious

deadlar

gouraudpalm2 wrote: »

Obvious troll is obvious

Who was meant to be trolling?

MagicEmpress - Lost City

EarthProtect - Harshlands wrote: »

Trouble leveling

How?
Just do the school teacher quest you get 2 hours in reflections.
One BH another hour.

I can see finding trouble for lower level culti because most of the payer base is leveled up now... but just plain old leveling is as easy as pie now.

You don't even have to grind anymore (DQ has been nurfed so your screwed there).

MetzliDemon - Harshlands

Jabella - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Try and get squads for PV.
Bounty Hunters.
Faction quest.
Buy hypers and farm kill.
LucidSilver/Gold Envoy.
Plvls but i wouldnt recomend it.
Quest.
Oracles.
I dont know if people still do it but you can use zenning.

Luckily for us the game has been improved in such ways that leveling is really easy. Just make sure you have people from not highger or lower than 10 lvls from you and you'll see how easy it is.

Good luck

And you can always put yourself AFK in Realm of Reflection :P

What's Zenning?!

Kitkate - Dreamweaver

MetzliDemon - Harshlands wrote: »

And you can always put yourself AFK in Realm of Reflection :P

What's Zenning?!

I cant tell if you are seriously asking what zhening is or being sarcastic.

Sylvae - Sanctuary

Zhenning is like a more expensive way, with worse xp than a fishing/moth party. Basically it was taking pity on the melee classes

Fryvorg - Sanctuary

Kitkate - Dreamweaver wrote: »

MetzliDemon - Harshlands wrote: »

What's Zenning?!

I cant tell if you are seriously asking what zhening is or being sarcastic.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't sarcastic b:surrender

Here's a vid in case I'm right, it also has some nice music in the background: Zhenning

@Kitkate: That poor wizzy XD

Kitkate - Dreamweaver

Fryvorg - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm pretty sure it wasn't sarcastic b:surrender

Here's a vid in case I'm right, it also has some nice music in the background: Zhenning

@Kitkate: That poor wizzy XD

Too bad zhenning was lost. We would zhen on nightscream isle with the pirates.

That wizzy was a nut but probably the best one i have ever had in a squad with me and that is what counts. So much fun to hang out with and do instances.

Cody_tylor - Sanctuary

Just do whatever, if you hyper grind, hyper FC, hyper PV or w/e. Then you can QQ about endgame levels. b:bye