question on bh sot

Loshon - Archosaur

I heard HF can cause the boss to heal from a source I trust. is there any truth to this or no?

Zanryu - Lothranis

They're lying.

Loshon - Archosaur

alright, thank you

tweakz

If you have melee non-skilled attacking during HF; yes, but it's the melee toons infraction.

CapnK - Sanctuary

Both the Seat boss and Abba boss should be skill spammed, not aps'd. HF is a good thing on both.

Seat boss's defense goes up when he's hit with normal attacks.

Abba boss heals when he's hit with normal attacks (when buff is up).

The only exception is if you have a squad with a lot of damage/aps you can kill Abba boss before first buff. But Seat should never be aps'd, it just makes it take longer.

tweakz

CapnK - Sanctuary wrote: »

Both the Seat boss and Abba boss should be skill spammed, not aps'd. HF is a good thing on both.

Seat boss's defense goes up when he's hit with normal attacks.

Abba boss heals when he's hit with normal attacks (when buff is up).

The only exception is if you have a squad with a lot of damage/aps you can kill Abba boss before first buff. But Seat should never be aps'd, it just makes it take longer.

-Definitely wrong: Both bosses can be quick killed before the buffs matter.

The abaddon boss has the same buff as the new morai barb buff (its' not about aps or auto attack; it's about being hit while the buff is on).

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

Aba-> aps.

Seat-> skill spam.

And I don't believe the heal is triggered by anything. Its just on a timed rotation and can be purified off by venos.

The Seat bosses shouldn't be aps because your aps damage is reduced to about 1/6th of your regular [?] damage, which is already 1/4th. Not much good doing 1/24th the damage.

The Aba boss heals instead of receives damage while buffed, although I'm honestly not sure if the heal amount is based on number of times attacked or amount of damage received. The damage it deals back is based on number of times attacked, but I think the damage it heals is based on the amount of damage it recieves.

tweakz

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Aba-> aps.

Seat-> skill spam.

And I don't believe the heal is triggered by anything. Its just on a timed rotation and can be purified off by venos.

I'd guess you run this about 8 times on days when it's the BH like I do. You seriously have never been in a squad without a veno or purge weapon where the heal wasn't noticeable?

The Seat bosses shouldn't be aps because your aps damage is reduced to about 1/6th of your regular [?] damage, which is already 1/4th. Not much good doing 1/24th the damage.

You've never been in a squad that kills it before it's second bleed? You don't even need more than 8k hp to do it this way. Skill spam is the way to go if it's not killed fast.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

tweakz wrote: »

I'd guess you run this about 8 times on days when it's the BH like I do. You seriously have never been in a squad without a veno or purge weapon where the heal wasn't noticeable?

You've never been in a squad that kills it before it's second bleed? You don't even need more than 8k hp to do it this way. Skill spam is the way to go if it's not killed fast.

Lol, part of the mystery of these is most my squads kill before the bosses really do anything, so I'm not sure what point you're making. I run BH Seat about 5 times on BH days.

The heal is something like 100k every 3 seconds, which is barely noticeable unless the squads dd is poor or you're holding the boss and no one is attacking, or you are soloing. I only have venos in some squads but a purge of the heal is not necessary.

As for seat boss, I'd say skill spam is always the way to go since it buffs from the very first melee attack. My seeker is by far my best killer of the Seat boss, because of his skill amps and debuffs, but in most squads its bowed archers who take aggro on this boss.

On thing that I do find funny is how often I see BMs try to tank this by apsing the Seat boss. It takes nothing for me, even unsparked, to pull aggro.

Jaabg - Sanctuary

I do agree that bh seat should not be apsed, but b:dirty, what can i say b:dirty, i aps it b:cool.

Our squad is aps heavy, it was made for tt, vana, and now that we are lost without those instances, we just aps all the bosses. Aba boss dies in 2~5 seconds after agro. Seat boss dies in 1~1.5 spark cycles.

If people give up the idea of pulling bosses, they'll see that there are about 10~20 seconds before the bosses buff themselves. An aps squad only needs the 5~20 seconds to do their work.

Only reason why seat is harder for us, we need to have a cleric. In aba we do it cleric less unless one of the alts is a cleric, we just put the cleric on a tempest macro.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »

If people give up the idea of pulling bosses, they'll see that there are about 10~20 seconds before the bosses buff themselves.

Seat boss anti-melee buff is triggered first time he's hit.

Aba boss takes 30 seconds to do the Blood Rush buff. I'm to the point where I'll kick clerics from the squad for putting bb way back so the boss has to be pulled to them. It makes boss take much longer and hurts the squad, so imo they're not helping and don't get to be in the squad. I always tell them "follow me in and place bubble at the boss" but some of them throw up bubble where they stand and say "ready".... *kick*.

Pulling takes about 15-20 seconds, leaving 10-15 seconds to kill before he starts buffing. Killing before this happens makes the boss so much easier and you have twice as long to do it if you don't pull. I don't need a cleric so if you want to make the boss more difficult, I will kick you.

TheDan - Sanctuary

You don't even need a cleric for aba boss technically; me and a sin can kill it in 1 sparked demon HF lol. As for the seat boss, it's so much easier to axe spam for 20-50ks than use fists and deal like 1k a hit while sparked lol. HF + axe spam is the way to go; the buff triggers automatically first hit, but also casts a bleed on you, and gives you full spark to purify it easily.

Jaabg - Sanctuary

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Seat boss anti-melee buff is triggered first time he's hit.

I'll pay more attention next time, but i didn't see the buff one time. The other few times it appeared.

soundslegit

As long as ppl are talking about Aba anyway, can you vort the BH boss there when its red buffs are on or will that lead to the boss healing?

Maelael - Heavens Tear

soundslegit wrote: »

As long as ppl are talking about Aba anyway, can you vort the BH boss there when its red buffs are on or will that lead to the boss healing?

It will lead to the boss healing if it sustains enough hits. I wanna say vortex alone would do it, but I only have direct experience with everyone but the idiot seeker in vortex stopping and it triggering the heal buff.