What does Attack and Defense Level Really do?

Raphxelion - Raging Tide

Someone please explain to me the concept behind Attack and Defense Levels, i know defense level protects you and attack levels helps you do more damage but can someone explain to me how or point me to a thread that talks about it?

-Would Defense Level protect me(heavy armor class) better against magic attacks than adding magic resistance to my gear? (Defense Level vs. magic/physical resistance)

-Does Attack level help me hit a higher damage output than what my characters min-max damage is? (attack level vs. stats that increase damage output?)

thank you any response would be appreciated b:shocked

Veneir - Dreamweaver

Yes and yes o.o

Attack level and def level are like adding a whole 1% added value to your attack(both magic and physical but don't go thinking the magic's going to increase your metal skills or something x3) and defence(both magic and physical and that's important to both)

This is why JoSD is the best shard for any kind of def coverage if they're the main shard(just a few wouldn't do much) Since they're 2 def levels.

KingClawX - Lost City

Veneir - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Yes and yes o.o

Attack level and def level are like adding a whole 1% added value to your attack(both magic and physical but don't go thinking the magic's going to increase your metal skills or something x3) and defence(both magic and physical and that's important to both)

This is why JoSD is the best shard for any kind of def coverage if they're the main shard(just a few wouldn't do much) Since they're 2 def levels.

only in pvp yes

pve not so much

in fact 100 attack lv wouldent be awesome in pve to but deff lv not so much

huge damage plus bp is like really really nice

but if ur talking just pvp yes deff and attack lv are really awesome and a must.

opkossy

This link has all the answers you need.

Geckofreak - Sanctuary

OPKossy wrote: »

This link has all the answers you need.

Such a troll, using a broken link! (extra = sign noob) i fixed it for you in my quote

Valirah - Sanctuary

OPKossy wrote: »

[url==http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=698392]This link[/url] has all the answers you need.

Broken link?

Veneir - Dreamweaver

Stop quoting it so many times you'll drown out Gecko's fixed link or if Kossy fixes it Dx!
Thanks Kossy

opkossy

lol. My mistake. b:chuckle

Raphxelion - Raging Tide

Veneir - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Yes and yes o.o

Attack level and def level are like adding a whole 1% added value to your attack(both magic and physical but don't go thinking the magic's going to increase your metal skills or something x3) and defence(both magic and physical and that's important to both)

This is why JoSD is the best shard for any kind of def coverage if they're the main shard(just a few wouldn't do much) Since they're 2 def levels.

if this is true then 100 defence level would give me 100% defense against attack >.> that doesnt make sense

ty for link ill check it out!

Veneir - Dreamweaver

Raphxelion - Raging Tide wrote: »

if this is true then 100 defence level would give me 100% defense against attack >.> that doesnt make sense

ty for link ill check it out!

Meh the percents in game are weird. I don't really have anything else for that. xD

Apostasy - Raging Tide

Raphxelion - Raging Tide wrote: »

if this is true then 100 defence level would give me 100% defense against attack >.> that doesnt make sense

ty for link ill check it out!

Ima chime in and add to what these links said on this one. The basic goal is to have maximum stats first, such as hps, mgc/phys atk on your character window, physical defense, elemental resists across the board. These numbers act as a platform of sorts so that +atk & +def lvls work off of them.

The next and actually more important goal (it is all really a balancing act), is to try to get your atk levels (which includes adding your character's level) compared to your opponents defense levels to be greater than => your opponents attack levels verse your defense levels. So a level 100 has 100 + 70 atk levels vs a 101 with +50 atk levels... Lets say the 100 has +15 defense levels which gives the 101 a +36 atk level advantage. But the 101 has +60 def lvls which gives the 100 a +10 atk lvl adavantage... the higher advantage should actually have the advantage.

Even if that still leaves your atk vs their def at negative (-) numbers, as long as you have less of a negative compared to your opponent, you still have the advantage. So If the 100 instead has +60 def levels and the 101 has +30 atk levels, the 101 has a -29 disadvantage. If the 101 has +104 def lvls and the 100 has +60 atk lvls, the 100 has a -45 disadvantage... Again, the 101 wins due to less of a disadvantage.

This is why R9 full sets (and obviously the R9+ sets even more so) are as OP as they are compared to other sets, due to adds per pieces and set bonuses dealing with atk and def lvls. Now ofc, these bonuses still need the base stats to actually back them up as well. Taking the time to actually figure out what your classes best numbers may be takes a lot of working out, pwcalc can help greatly, as can eye of observation to test out the numbers in game (or the ruin jungle belt made with jungle stones). Also, having the best numbers in the perfect places still might not agree with your personal strengths, weaknesses and playstyle. So these too should be taken into consideration. I hope this helps.

seitori

Raphxelion - Raging Tide wrote: »

if this is true then 100 defence level would give me 100% defense against attack >.> that doesnt make sense

ty for link ill check it out!

To be honest, I believe that the Defense level Bonuses only equals your own (personal & actual gears) physical Defense totality; So if you've gotten a (LA) Sin or Archer) which has a total of say ~6,500 in physical defense capability~ a (+100) to Defense would only end up doubling what they actually normally had, or another words {6,500 would (=) 13,000 in physical defense} atleast thats what its been seeming like to me, when ya try and figure out the way they mean (Defense Levels) to (%)s...b:thanks

Valirah - Sanctuary

seitori wrote: »

To be honest, I believe that the Defense level Bonuses only equals your own (personal & actual gears) physical Defense totality; So if you've gotten a (LA) Sin or Archer) which has a total of say ~6,500 in physical defense capability~ a (+100) to Defense would only end up doubling what they actually normally had, or another words {6,500 would (=) 13,000 in physical defense} atleast thats what its been seeming like to me, when ya try and figure out the way they mean (Defense Levels) to (%)s...b:thanks

??? Why don't you read the provided link and see exactly how it's calculated instead of spreading your misinformed thoughts on the subject?

Here is the formula used:

If Attack Level > Defense Level:
damage = damage dealt * (1 + (A - D)/100)
else
damage = damage dealt / (1 + 1.2 * (D - A)/100)

Raphxelion - Raging Tide

thank you every one for the information, got what i was looking for thanks to you all :]

Saethos - Raging Tide

Raphxelion - Raging Tide wrote: »

if this is true then 100 defence level would give me 100% defense against attack >.> that doesnt make sense

ty for link ill check it out!

Think of it as a curved slope graph. 1 defense level is equal to reducing damage taken by 1%.

However, as you clime the latter of defense levels, we come across an issue. What if one has 100 more defense levels than their enemy has attack levels? Well, then they should take no damage, correct?

Wrong, because as the defense levels get so high, they lose their proficiency, but are still pretty good. However, this doesn't mean go half JoSD and have tigers or something, because you still need to be however many points over for defense levels, so that full DoD sin would still hurt if you were half.

I don't know the exact number, but 1 defense level at a certain quantity above the enemies attack levels the defense levels are no longer a 1:1 ratio

soundslegit

Easiest thing to do is to switch back and forth between O'Malley's(15 attack, 15 def) and Jones Blessing(30 attack) and see the results for yourself.

On seeker I use O'Malleys to try and live through mag attacks. On archer I use Jones because I die easily even with the O'Malleys. This is in NW. For PVE I use Jones on easy stuff to make it go faster and O'Malleys on anything hitting me really hard.

tweakz

soundslegit wrote: »

Easiest thing to do is to switch back and forth between O'Malley's(15 attack, 15 def) and Jones Blessing(30 attack) and see the results for yourself.

On seeker I use O'Malleys to try and live through mag attacks. On archer I use Jones because I die easily even with the O'Malleys. This is in NW. For PVE I use Jones on easy stuff to make it go faster and O'Malleys on anything hitting me really hard.

nice! some don't bother getting a blessing at all!

Apostasy - Raging Tide

tweakz wrote: »

nice! some don't bother getting a blessing at all!

I have both blessings at all times, with 2-3 sets (2-3 of each) waiting to be picked in my mailbox... Being blessings are FREE... I dont see why everyone does not have them. b:surrender

Xainou - Sanctuary

Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »

I have both blessings at all times, with 2-3 sets (2-3 of each) waiting to be picked in my mailbox... Being blessings are FREE... I dont see why everyone does not have them. b:surrender

Facebook. I personally can't stand the idea of that site and it's user policies. I only made a fakebook to pick blessings. And that's as much of "personal information" as they will get ...

Apostasy - Raging Tide

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Facebook. I personally can't stand the idea of that site and it's user policies. I only made a fakebook to pick blessings. And that's as much of "personal information" as they will get ...

I only has it so friends from like 10-20+ years ago can find me if they want to. Otherwise, I dont usually bother with it. Its good for sending a "whats up" to friends and catch up a bit... Im sure my friends are sick of seeing infinite "He got blessing in pw"! b:chuckle

XEmpressX - Heavens Tear

Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »

I only has it so friends from like 10-20+ years ago can find me if they want to. Otherwise, I dont usually bother with it. Its good for sending a "whats up" to friends and catch up a bit... Im sure my friends are sick of seeing infinite "He got blessing in pw"! b:chuckle

You can hide that so that only you are able to see the notification. I know i had to do it because one of my friends would give me grief every time he saw that damn thing pop up b:laugh (he doesn't accept MMO's as a valid form of entertainment b:sad )

Apostasy - Raging Tide

XEmpressX - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You can hide that so that only you are able to see the notification. I know i had to do it because one of my friends would give me grief every time he saw that damn thing pop up b:laugh (he doesn't accept MMO's as a valid form of entertainment b:sad )

"valid entertainment?"... b:surprised its the ONLY form of entertainment! b:lipcurl most people just sit glued to a tv screen watching their favorite characters do whatever their scripts tell them to do... mmo's, well... we sit glued to a monitor making our favorite characters do whatever WE tell them to do b:sin