Nartion wars requirements-should be in place

XTRiADx - Lost City

since you took away from LV100+ people Nirvana and the place where we could farm and earn money, and gave us Nation Wars, place requirement on nation war entrance, same as Nirvana Lv 100, i just dont feel like be in same nation wirth 61 and all low lvl people up to 100, who doesnt help, and just sit there and chill. who doesnt kill and just cant kill, hoping high lvl people will do the work and they earn something just because they were in same nation, that will make them lvl up at least knowing they get chance to enter once they lv 100 and be able to earn supply tokens

MANray_ - Sanctuary

All nations face the same handicap, and high level is no assurance of proper gearing or even competence... There's plenty of lowbies doing more than some 100+. If you want to mass PvP with people your level go TW.
b:bye

ovenusarmanio

moved to suggestion box

Star_Prism - Archosaur

They didn't take away Nirvana, it's still there and you can still farm it. You just choose not to. NW is one of the few events that lower levels are allowed to participate in and have just as much right to be there as higher levels.

The only reason you don't want them there is because you are greedy and want more tokens. Learn to share.

dudeman121

While I do not agree with a level cap I do believe the main cause to the issue that concerns you is quite simple.. PW needs to remove the ability to enter NW in a squad. I have noticed that nearly if not all NW's are won by the nation with the least players (I don't know if the instance tries to balance it or if its just coincidence) this nation with the lowest players always seems to be consisting of the people ingame that have +12 r9/r93rd etc that decided to get as many OP people together in a squad, they do this simply to maximize the tokens recieved. Now many people will say something along the lines of how thats only a few compared to hundreds in NW, however if you take notice of each NW you will soon find my above statement to be very true

This would not be an issue if you could NOT enter as a squad and possibly limit/solve most of the issues including the spawn killing (since you will have slightly better chances of actually getting off the spawn, I know for a fact the A/D on spawn doesn't help at all vs r9 +12 etc) These people are destroying what is a very fun instance for all even if you do not really like the pvp aspect of the game, they are essentially taking advantage of the system you currently have in place... Meaning all the talk before about how this can be a good change for all types of players has meant nothing due to the mentality of players on this game, instead the instance is actually being used to make the rich richer and the poor well frustrated b:surrender

I do believe in the interest for all players this is something that needs fixing ASAP b:thanks

anwynd

low lvls might not be able to take out the high lvl people but they still got debuffs they can use to help win a fight against one they just need bck up support to do it. even a stun from a lowbie can save your *** if your starting to lose a fight lolb:chuckle

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

I kinda like the idea of restricting it to active players.

You could have add an extra BH reward that expires after 1 week and you need 2 to trade for the NW pass.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

For one time there's a PvP event that level 60-99 can go and get a reward I think it should not be change.

I know a lot of people 60-99 that do NW and love it for the fun of the event, why take that off from them? Cause you want more money? Fun>money.

Plus sometime I like come on my veno that is not level 100 yet, but have better gears than some people 100+.

Veno gonna have soon a lot of new stuff that gonna be by the NW tokens, I think that even if they are not 100+ they should get the chance to get tokens at lower level and get the new stuff too.

I know some people lvl 100+ that are more useless than some lvl 60+. I see sometime some venos 100+ in a no show standing there doing nothing waiting for the victory, while I saw cleric lvl 75 go buff everyone beside sit and do nothing, buffing your own nation people is helping yourself, specially veno bramble, but lvl100+ get lazy, when it's a no show they stand there doing nothing while a low lvl will buff and try to do something.

A lot of lvl 100+ bring afk alts in NW, for buff or heals, that is a issue, that is useless, while generally the lvl 60-99 are one person focusing on one char.

Maliva - Lost City

Bella you hit the nail right on the head there, as a lowbie for me NW is fun (when i have time to do it), yes the tokens are nice to, but the afk alts is a serious problem as is the non stop whining by the high lvls who just want more money and complain about the lowbies who come into NW.

Most lvl60+ players have some usefulness in NW, and tbh if you dont like it then go farm NV, since as a lvl100+ player you have free access to this. So put up and shut up or just do something else and let us who want to have fun in NW do it

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver

have to agree that players not lvl 100 shouldnt be able to do nation wars, at least not in the same instance!

let me explain. for example PK tournament. it has 4 different instances if im right, for different levels, and its normal.
how is it fun for a lvl 60 to get one shoted every 10 seconds for 2 hours?

make a second instance is the solution, this way everyone will be happy and have fun

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver wrote: »

have to agree that players not lvl 100 shouldnt be able to do nation wars, at least not in the same instance!

let me explain. for example PK tournament. it has 4 different instances if im right, for different levels, and its normal.
how is it fun for a lvl 60 to get one shoted every 10 seconds for 2 hours?

make a second instance is the solution, this way everyone will be happy and have fun

Tournament give only exp at low level ijs, don't compare a ''farming instance'' to a event giving exp at low level and the requirement is 90-105 for highest lvl and not 100+.

If a lvl 60 have fun to be shot, who are you to judge that? Obviously someone that don't have fun and blame low lvl cause you are incapable to get fun in NW while they do.

People that say they want it lvl100+ it's only cause they don't want lvl60-99 cause they think they get less tokens with low lvls in their nations. It's selfish. You guys really forgot that PWI is first of all a game to have fun, not a second life where money is more important than everything.

I think NW is the best place for lvl60-99 to learn PvP without turn red name and drop everything.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

I know a lot of people 60-99 that do NW and love it for the fun of the event, why take that off from them? Cause you want more money? Fun>money.
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When a +12 2nd cast r9 is fighting next to a +3 unicorn with armors to match... its only fun for one of us.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

When a +12 2nd cast r9 is fighting next to a +3 unicorn with armors to match... its only fun for one of us.

It's like TW, there's 2 kind of people, the ones that will rage cause they lost and the ones that just don't care if the lost cause they had fun.

Some people lvl 85-99 have better gears then some people lvl100+. Not everyone 101+ is R9 ijs, I see some people100+ with **** gears, with mold lvl 5x, 6x and 7x, while some lvl 90 have better gears.

I one shot a LOT of people 100+ do I ask to remove one shot people from NW? There's more lvl100 one shot than lvl60-99 in NW. So c'mmon tell me again that have nothing to do with the money, but only about gears/one shot people.

It's funny cause I think one shot people lvl-60-99 enjoy more NW than one shot people lvl100+, cause people complaining about R9 spawn killing are not lvl60-99, it's the people 100+ that get one shot.

There's more one shot people lvl100+ than lvl60-99 in TW so please if you want to put a requisite lvl100+ for NW use a better argument than lvl60-99 are a one shot, cause a lot of lvl 100 are a one shot too.

I don't care if people want a requisite of lvl100+, I just don't like people using personal bad argument for it. Like their money is more important than lvl60-99 fun, or ''lvl60-99 are one shot'', hello some lvl100 are one shot too ijs. Find good arguments and I might agree, but those arguments are ****.

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Tournament give only exp at low level ijs, don't compare a ''farming instance'' to a event giving exp at low level and the requirement is 90-105 for highest lvl and not 100+.

If a lvl 60 have fun to be shot, who are you to judge that? Obviously someone that don't have fun and blame low lvl cause you are incapable to get fun in NW while they do.

People that say they want it lvl100+ it's only cause they don't want lvl60-99 cause they think they get less tokens with low lvls in their nations. It's selfish. You guys really forgot that PWI is first of all a game to have fun, not a second life where money is more important than everything.

I think NW is the best place for lvl60-99 to learn PvP without turn red name and drop everything.

and who are you to say what i think or feel?
btw nation wars is an event, not a farming instance, its an event cause there is a specific time when u can enter, kthx
and no u wont earn more tokens if lowbies werent here, cause from what i saw, a lot dont even get anything cause contribution too low.
nw is the best place to learn pvp? wouldnt it be better if they had their own nw for their lvl?
wouldnt a lvl 60 have more fun doing pvp against lvl 60? if u say no then ur an idiot

"Obviously someone that don't have fun and blame low lvl cause you are incapable to get fun in NW while they do."
idk how u can know what happen for me in nation wars, u must be stronk, and idc with low lvls, just giving me 6 kills for each aoe is ok with me

nos stop being agressive with everyone on this thread, its pathetic o.o

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver wrote: »

and who are you to say what i think or feel?
btw nation wars is an event, not a farming instance, its an event cause there is a specific time when u can enter, kthx
and no u wont earn more tokens if lowbies werent here, cause from what i saw, a lot dont even get anything cause contribution too low.
nw is the best place to learn pvp? wouldnt it be better if they had their own nw for their lvl?
wouldnt a lvl 60 have more fun doing pvp against lvl 60? if u say no then ur an idiot

I put '' on ''farming instance'' cause every time I say it's a event people freaking out telling me it's not, I even made a post on it in the thread ''NW new time slot'' saying NW is a event and not a farming instance, but they all replied I was wrong and blabla, so I don't bother fight 500 people saying I'm wrong to say it's a event so now I use ''farming instance'' in '' cause for me it's a event, but I got tired of all people tell me it's not a event, I know I'm right, but I wont spend my time to fight 500 people that keep telling me I'm wrong.

You said I don't know what you think or feel? Than how you can know if lvl60 like or not to be one shot? Do you play a lvl60 in NW? I doubt so, but even if you did that doesn't mean others have the same feeling then you. You spoke for others feeling don't ask me or the others do don't speak about yours. The ''do what I say not what I do'' doesn't work for me, you speak about other feeling then that mean people can do the same for you. If you don't want people to speak about your feeling than please don't speak about their feeling.

People learn better sometime by watching a experimented players in action and some class are squishy at low lvl while at end game they are not anymore.

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver

watching ppl one shot you, gonna learn a lot.
and yes i do know how undergeared ppl feel, you know, the blue/pink thing in chat called PMs.

u still didnt answer tho, wouldnt a lvl 60 have more fun and learn more vs lvl 60?

or maybe u want them to stay in the same instance because they are the only ones you can kill?

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver wrote: »

watching ppl one shot you, gonna learn a lot.

I don't mean get one shot learn something, I mean watch 2 high lvl experimented players fight each other.

Apostasy - Raging Tide

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver wrote: »

"a lvl 60 to get one shoted every 10 seconds for 2 hours?"

I have to lol at this... because isnt the A/D-invincibility effect about 10 seconds? b:chuckle

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

If a lvl 60 have fun to be shot, who are you to judge that? I think NW is the best place for lvl60-99 to learn PvP without turn red name and drop everything.

Actually, I both agree and disagree with this. At any level, you cant really learn pvp if all you do is get one shot constantly. The only real way to learn pvp is being able to survive long enough to actually try out different tactics/skills and best if able to do so against all class-types. But I do have to agree with NW being a good place for the up and comings to learn PvP (and more so TW-type) battling given one does not have the pk penalties attached.

Whereas I agree the 60+ group have as much right to NW as anyone 100+, I do think there should be at least the option for lower levels to do the same thing as in NW, but without needing to deal with the 100+ players. So perhaps a "secondary NW" would be a good idea as another event, but does not necessarily have supply tokens attached as a reward....

OR... at least add the option of a forge for lower level characters to make level-appropriate gears/mats for their use. When was the last time anyone 99 or lower was really able to farm raps, uncans, r8 recast mats, etc BEFORE NW came along? So those stating NW should be for 100+ do have a valid point in this respect.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

People level so fast anyway, someone level 60 will be 80 the next NW and prolly 100 2-3 weeks later.

And you guys forget that lvl60-99 get a bonus. I did NW one time on my veno back when she was 95 I think and with the bonus I had 14.5k hp which is more than majority of veno lvl100+. I do admit thought I don't remember how many att/def lvl bonus I had.

When I mean experience I don't mean by getting one shot, just let me give a lil example:

A cleric 73 go in NW, never really PvP and ofc never TW, than the 2 first shots he try to go DD people he get one shot, but he's smart so he thought ''well I'll stay back and support'', than lil cleric 73 stay back in the air and heal/buff other people from his nation.

See lil cleric 73 learned that his job is more support and even if at lvl73 the heals are not as strong as lvl100 it's better than nothing and might save a life, same with buff.

I see some low lvl clerics go on and buff everyone and heal people cause they learned that it's better for them to stay back and support, but the cleric lvl 100 using a aquadash/TT90 playing the metal mage while getting one shot, do you think he is more good or more useful?

I played a while on HT a cleric, I did NW from lvl60 to 80 and often I got more contribution and tokens than some lvl100+ and sometime I had more fun in those NW than on my main mystic lvl102 on HL, why? Cause on cleric I had no pressure I didn't care if I was getting 10 or 100 tokens at the end while on toons lvl100+ in big factions there's that pressure to want more. People lvl100+ take it more serious and I'm not a exception, I do too, but I still remember at the same time that it's for fun.

Last weekend, I know a lot of people lvl100+ that raged so much about NW that they rage quit in the middle of it. Sometime I hear some people rage constantly the hole 2 hours of it, they are not lvl60, they are lvl100+.

I mean what that will really change to lvl100+ if lvl60-99 can go or not? What that really change for you that there's maybe on 300 people of your nation 15 lvl60-99? Do that make you really unable to enjoy NW? Do the fact to put a requisite lvl will make you able to enjoy more NW? I don't think so, but if you answer yes, please tell me how and why that will make you able to enjoy more the event than right now with them. (The question is for everyone that want a requisite lvl)

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

Go away

I get 4K+ contrib now in NW, 65 tokens last war, I'm level 86 with a +5 Broad Land (G8 garnet X1) and TT80 green w/ a WoE+5 2X Flawless cits. I can't 2 shot people but my stun/STA/aim low hurt just the same and I can still alacrity flag runner.

Don't tell me I have to lose my only source of serious income just because your lowbies can't support.b:angry

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver

i agree with apostasy its weird lower levels can get high lvl mats as rewards

yay lvl 60 can lvl fast but, they would have done some fair pvp and woulld make them stronger if they are trained.

just my opinion

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver wrote: »

i agree with apostasy its weird lower levels can get high lvl mats as rewards

yay lvl 60 can lvl fast but, they would have done some fair pvp and woulld make them stronger if they are trained.

just my opinion

1. raps/cans aren't the only things you get

2. Honestly what level 60 uses them? They turn around and sell it so they can buy gears/skills/shards/utility items to actually be able to play

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver

you need that to be able to play?

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver wrote: »

you need that to be able to play?

Do levelv60-99 in NW make you unable to play?

Answers of both is No.

Walpurga - Dreamweaver

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver wrote: »

you need that to be able to play?

Do I need gears and skills to be able to play an MMORPG?

Is that a rhetorical question?

Romeoe - Raging Tide

People at level 60 were able to farm their gears and money for their skills before nation wars came out.

There's this thing called TT.
There's also this other thing called quests.

Nw is an unnecessary instance for anyone lower than 95

The reason I say 95 is because the lunar weapons are becoming quite expensive and there's no way some little 95 player could farm 40 or so million with the intent of buying a level 95 weapon. It's just not realistic. Even with nw rewards it would be difficult because of the quantity of cannies they're getting.

If you can't undertand that concept then perhaps you should try out another game

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Romeoe - Raging Tide wrote: »

People at level 60 were able to farm their gears and money for their skills before nation wars came out.

There's this thing called TT.
There's also this other thing called quests.

Nw is an unnecessary instance for anyone lower than 99.

If you can't undertand that concept then perhaps you should try out another game

And ofc before NW people had no other way to farm cannies/raptures. Oh wait didn't Nirvana was a instance for that? I don't remember thought saw in the patches notes about Nirvana get remove.

Hey guess what people do not need to do NW to get cannies/raptures.

b:bye

Mr_Swiss - Heavens Tear

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver wrote: »

have to agree that players not lvl 100 shouldnt be able to do nation wars, at least not in the same instance!

let me explain. for example PK tournament. it has 4 different instances if im right, for different levels, and its normal.
how is it fun for a lvl 60 to get one shoted every 10 seconds for 2 hours?

make a second instance is the solution, this way everyone will be happy and have fun

I feel lower lvl players hit just fine. I'm R9 2nd cast. If a bunch of lower lvl players with the buff they get jump me, it's like a bunch of little neices and nephews jumping on their uncle. But there's always that one neice that pokes you in the eye, and your done. Sometimes it's a tougher battle then you expected. Leave it the way it is.

Romeoe - Raging Tide

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

And ofc before NW people had no other way to farm cannies/raptures. Oh wait didn't Nirvana was a instance for that? I don't remember thought saw in the patches notes about Nirvana get remove.

Hey guess what people do not need to do NW to get cannies/raptures.

b:bye

Not really sure what that has to do with my response .. Nirvana was a 100+ instance. So... Essentially you just backed up what I said.

GG

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Romeoe - Raging Tide wrote: »

Not really sure what that has to do with my response .. Nirvana was a 100+ instance. So... Essentially you just backed up what I said.

GG

That's the problem of people it's the only thing they see in NW cannies/rapt. There's other stuff in the forges and new stuff coming in the future.

I just don't understand why people are so angry about the fact it's level 60-105 and no one seems to be able to answer how exactly the fact level 60-99 can go in make them unable to enjoy NW.

ovenusarmanio

Romeoe - Raging Tide wrote: »

People at level 60 were able to farm their gears and money for their skills before nation wars came out.

There's this thing called TT.
There's also this other thing called quests.

Nw is an unnecessary instance for anyone lower than 95

The reason I say 95 is because the lunar weapons are becoming quite expensive and there's no way some little 95 player could farm 40 or so million with the intent of buying a level 95 weapon. It's just not realistic. Even with nw rewards it would be difficult because of the quantity of cannies they're getting.

If you can't undertand that concept then perhaps you should try out another game

Okay, then they should level lock TT so that it can only be run by the levels stated on the entrance of the particular chapter. That means no more high levels dominating lowbie farming instances and pricing them out of the market. Also you should be unable to dig mats while on a mount. It's unfair that high levels can crowd lowbie money making markets with supply they earned fair and square, right? I mean high levels do not even need those items and who cares if they sell them off for coin. They should go get that coin elsewhere so lowbies can enjoy that content.

Or maybe not everything should be made for people who have reached endgame and healthy mmos make sure there are things for both new and old players that are both rewarding and fun. And maybe instead of complaining about contribution you should take a hard look at the playing tactics of people who are 100+ and what it says about the community that spawn camping has been taken to it's logical extreme already. That is that nobody ran the flag in H4 and instead camped my lowbie player for a good 10-15 minutes don't remember the exact time. But instead of looking around the map, most of em just stayed at the spawn zone like lemming. Don't know what happened in the final half of that, someone OP must've came in and won it for my nation eventually. But bad tactics, cooperation, and total misunderstanding of game mechanics by players 100+ caused this to happen. http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i40/ariesdragon123/2013-01-0700-30-52_zps92f5e904-1_zps4865d3f9.jpg I don't know about you but when I'm on my 100+ characters, I'd take that 74 bm over any of the 20 that allowed that happen and handed that contribution over. Which is what they did. Again, that required no skill or even real effort on my part. Unless you count mixing flying and running skills and hiding in bushes "skill," although I don't. 100+ or not.