DoT / JoSD discussion

Kokki - Harshlands

Heya peeps,

I've searched a bit around in the forums and the topics about my question are a bit outdated since R9 second recast is now a real possibility so i thought to open up this discussion about wether to shard DoT's or JoSD's in the wizards omen set.

I'm actually thinking about sharding DoT's instead of JoSD for two main reasons.

1. ofcourse the cost to shard, which would result in having more coin leftover for quicker +11/+12 refines on armour.

2. With the new tome/ring/cube neck your base defenses are gonna skyrocket, so even when you shard no JoSD you'll be at over 20K on both Mdef/Pdef easily with just over 50 defense levels with a o'malleys blessing, but will put you over 130 attack levels.


I got onto this idea because of reading through the Psy forum which in alot of cases the two classes have similar reactions.

Wiz should not be in the heat of fire, and when i'm looking back at my NW's that i did, i don't die that often while i'm still only in standard R9 armour. The puri effect on the weapon increases survivability by a huge chunk, and if there are 6+ people on, you would die regardless even if you had full JoSD. also in TW the ones that hurt me the most are purge crits from a +12 full recasted archer, and even then it "only" hits me for like 5.5K crit and again that's still with only normal R9 armour. They need 5 consecutive crits to actually kill me and by that time i'm already long gone out of their range.

Any thoughts about this? and i know i will get some heat from our trolls just saying"it's bad you fail" but whatever xD

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

Your talking about sharding just the 4 omen pieces with dot? and leaving like garnet gems in your helm and cape?

Thats only 16 extra atk lvls. so like 10% more damage on fully jaded targets. and like 3-4% on non josd targets. I'm just estimating based on my experiences. Do the math if you can hunt down the equations. On top end targets geared like mooooooooo 98 def lvls vs 135atk(no dot) 151atk(dot). It might end up being more then 10% damage but not much more. and standard 25def lvl(r9/3rd tier nv) vs 135/151 won't be a huge damage difference.

For a non Josd build this is what i'm going for so that purged i will get hit for 2k crits by archers. The rings are subbed in for the recast r9 ring and cloudstir refined to 10

Facerolled - Raging Tide

If you just TW, DoT is fine.

If you do anything else that's PvP based and is not at least 40 vs 40, you want to shard defensively, be it citrine, JoSD, garnet or vit stones.

Kokki - Harshlands

I'm actually talking full DoT as opposed to full JoSD so that would result in 24 extra attack levels, without the new cube neck and R9 recasted ring you'll already be at 18K pdef buffed ( sage so demon is higher ) so factor in those and you'll have plenty of base defenses without garnet already.

and yes the question was more towards fighting full JoSD people and not the non JoSD people, since they will most likely by a oneshot anyway without DoT's.

FaceRolI - Sanctuary

If I wasn't going chan/needing pdef id roll DoT, not b/c i think its better sharding but b/c thats how I RolI b:cool

but being able to take hits not only increases your survival b/c u can take hits but also increase % puri goes off now that we have it

Kokki - Harshlands wrote: »

I got onto this idea because of reading through the Psy forum which in alot of cases the two classes have similar reactions.

for psy i think is different w/ white voodoo =S

overall still going to say for performance JOSD > DoT even considering difference in cost gl.

Kokki - Harshlands

Facerolled - Raging Tide wrote: »

If you just TW, DoT is fine.

If you do anything else that's PvP based and is not at least 40 vs 40, you want to shard defensively, be it citrine, JoSD, garnet or vit stones.

FaceRolI - Sanctuary wrote: »

If I wasn't going chan/needing pdef id roll DoT, not b/c i think its better sharding but b/c thats how I RolI b:cool

but being able to take hits not only increases your survival b/c u can take hits but also increase % puri goes off now that we have it



for psy i think is different w/ white voodoo =S

overall still going to say for performance JOSD > DoT even considering difference in cost gl.

well i'm also kinda want to go DoT just because i like hitting like a freaking truck and dying when i myself mess up :P. And yes i know psy is different class but the whole math in that forum about attack/def levels just got my thinking on how effective the "standard" i'm gonna herp derp go full JoSD and i'm gonna tank everything actually is.

I think when there are 10 vs 10 where 1 side is fully jaded and on the other side you have two mag DD's that are full DoT i think that side will prevail just by the fact they can take out targets WAY faster.

i dunno, i might just go for it since i've always been a wiz with low defenses and i learned to deal with it.

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

Heres what your looking at with new r9 ring

You could always roll a sky cover for more pdef when needed. Goodluck with that though. I do a lot of solo pk so i'll need my garnet gems

You also have to keep in mind that there are only a handfull of +12 josd's outside of our guild on hte server. 2 of wytche are owned by the same person. (seewhatididthere?) Also keep in mind the fact that if you get targeted by more then 2 archers you'll prolly go down fast in tw.