R9 3rd cast sharding

ShadowsFlame - Raging Tide

I was wondering how bms should shard there r9 3rd casts. Which is the best shards with regard to cost and effectiveness in overall PvP...

DoTs - http://pwcalc.com/e5b5407f340fa79b
I know there is like no bm with DoT build in pvp atm, but with r9 3rd cast the attack levels are insane. Also many classes are thinking about going full DoT over other shards so this should be put in debate.

Vit stones - http://pwcalc.com/66c5eb95f9e3512b
Pretty decent hp but costs twice as much as Dots and its effectiveness is unknown to me. b:surrender

JoSD - http://pwcalc.com/6ac9d1787f915c85
Everyones most OP shards and the most expensive as well. I think full JoSD in my server roughly 3bil atm, which is like x3 the cost of vit stones and x6 times the cost of DoT.


I sharded ambers on weapon because I am a fan of accuracy and the tome is supposed to be emperor one.
Thanx

CapnK - Sanctuary

Prices are a little different on Sanctuary. DoT = 15-18m, Vit ~50m, JoSD 90-105m.

iirc, JoSD is the best until you are around 28000 in your pdef/mdef, then vit is better

Zarkin_Baxil - Raging Tide

What's the math on that? How much vit = 1 JoSD? Im curious because if I don't have to get full jades then that would be nice. I just can't see it though (not that it's not true), vit stones being better than jades. Why not have 100+ drf lvls end game instead of 60ish. Further explination would greatly be appreciated.

Maelael - Heavens Tear

http://www.aster.ohmydays.net/pw/socketcalculator.html

Put in your stats and everything correctly.

Compare it vs equal level, 103, and 105. Change the attack levels from 90, to 100, to 125, to 150, and 180.

Decide if the JOSD is worth the 2-3x the price (it is, but thats a determination of what you can afford). 90 to 125 is the mean of attack levels you're gonna run into. If you don't feel like doing the work - JoSD wins out by a lot, almost double.

Also keep in mind there is not a huge noticeable difference till you shard 3-4 pieces in jades. I say this from experience.

On the subject of how much vit = JoSD, its not comparable. A 40k hit reduced 10% is gonna knock out your Vit stoned BM. A 40k hit reduced 30-48% will make you survive if you have the base HP/refines.

Vit stones are the reasonable alternative to people who can't or won't plop down the money for JoSD. I'll never shard another toon with JoSD again - 3x the money is too much. Vit stones will do fine, but they aren't as good as Jades. Math, calcs, raw experience tells us this from many sources.

Finally, +10 your gear first before you do any shards. You get more return for money invested.

I made this yesterday: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=18410361&postcount=19

Its about seekers but whatever. I do think people are trying to force validate their choice of DoTs or Vit Stones vs JoSD on the forums tho. Again like I said above, the math and experience says JoSD is best.

In the field, DoT sucks for us. Its 24 attack levels which is typically easily negated, and amounts to not much extra damage in the grand scheme.

For DD classes, if you got the Refines go for DoT. Their base damage amplified enough for it to be worth it.

For seekers, if damage is more important to you, go DoT since you got the buff. There is two full DoT seekers on my server. I can kill both, they haven't killed me without assistance. There is a JoSD seeker on my server. I can't kill him. He can't kill me. He hits about as hard as the DoT ones too.

But for us? DoTs are terrible. We are more of a CC class, already out DPHing the other melee classes, and we need the survival to deliver. We don't have a self buff for those attack levels, and that is about the only reason DoT seekers are reasonable. Go Vit Stone or JoSD. There is no equivalent Vit to JoSD, no real optimal mix (Ive tried), there is just good enough and better, and refine the (bleep) outta your gear.


EDIT: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1397441

Play around there.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

Zarkin_Baxil - Raging Tide wrote: »

What's the math on that? How much vit = 1 JoSD? Im curious because if I don't have to get full jades then that would be nice. I just can't see it though (not that it's not true), vit stones being better than jades. Why not have 100+ drf lvls end game instead of 60ish. Further explination would greatly be appreciated.

Theres no set vit=1 def level. It largely dependant on your own defenses, your other def levels, and the opponents attack levels.

R9 first tier is roughly the tipping point for HA users where JoSD is better than vit stones but its actually really close. In fact, R9 barbs get higher effective hp from vit stones than from JoSD, they're just harder to heal. An LA user has lower pdef and mdef, and gets less hp:vit, so JoSD is a nice way for them to make up both defenses. For BMs specifically JoSD tend to give us better magic damage reduction, but vit stones give us more physicaly defense reduction.

One thing that turned me off of JoSDs... When I saw the G16 gear coming out months ago I went "holy sht, everyone will have 100+ attack levels" and its true. Most good pkers have around 100+ attack levels and our def levels can't keep up. Using Asterelles socket calculator I figured out for me, almost any opponent with more than 70 attack levels than vit stones are better.

Maelael - Heavens Tear

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Theres no set vit=1 def level. It largely dependant on your own defenses, your other def levels, and the opponents attack levels.

R9 first tier is roughly the tipping point for HA users where JoSD is better than vit stones but its actually really close. In fact, R9 barbs get higher effective hp from vit stones than from JoSD, they're just harder to heal. An LA user has lower pdef and mdef, and gets less hp:vit, so JoSD is a nice way for them to make up both defenses. For BMs specifically JoSD tend to give us better magic damage reduction, but vit stones give us more physicaly defense reduction.

One thing that turned me off of JoSDs... When I saw the G16 gear coming out months ago I went "holy sht, everyone will have 100+ attack levels" and its true. Most good pkers have around 100+ attack levels and our def levels can't keep up. Using Asterelles socket calculator I figured out for me, almost any opponent with more than 70 attack levels than vit stones are better.

I did not get the same results with her calc. Share?

_Nottunyx_ - Heavens Tear

trolololol shard garnet and wear phy prot ornies pls it wud b pro b:kiss

http://pwcalc.com/e4aba952985da8d3

WnbTank - Archosaur

_Nottunyx_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

trolololol shard garnet and wear phy prot ornies pls it wud b pro b:kiss

http://pwcalc.com/e4aba952985da8d3

Why U no die my arma??