Nation war and needed changes

FayHumming - Dreamweaver

b:chuckle I dont team with OP people at all for nw, last 2x NW on solo instead.b:surrender Have more fun this way.

Jaabg - Sanctuary

Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear wrote: »

pw made nation wars to be enjoyed by players who are lvl 60+, if it was going to be made for the higher lvls than they should of made it either 95+ like in morai or 100+ like with rb, warsong, etc

If anyhting only my farming alts are as OP as my main. I have an archer, lvl 32, all decked out, +7 gear, i use it to farm mats at lower lvl, in a -3 to +25 range. Not everyone has alts like that or mains like that at lower levels or even at 90's range.

Even if nothing else, a lvl 60 - npc gear or legendary gear, will get one shot by a lvl 100 using an aoe skill, using npc gear. The hp, defense for lower levels is bad, it's just how the game is, has nothing to do with gear. Rather than hitting a person for 3k, with r9 you hit them for 17k, doesn't change the fact that a lower lvl person is still one shot.

Warsong, Lunar have 85+ or 95+ level requirement to enter, not 100+. Same with Delta.

Instances can be done at those level with those gear, but it is hard.

Back to your point of levels, everyone needs to chip in and know what they can and can not do in NW, keeping in mind their gear, level, constraints. If anything, the lower levels should see that as an incentive to save up for gear and say "one day i will kick that kitty's paws".

Extending spawn point protection buff things makes sense. Having safe zones does not, i doubt they have safe zones programmed to characters for a a time. It appears more area specific. Since multiple people spawn over a duration of time, account for all the people = bad for pwi.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

That's the problem with people complaining about spawn killing, they stand there waiting for genie and w/e, when I appear I go away if there's a lot of people, my genie recharge even if I run/fly ijs or if there's 2-3 persons I just kill them.

''Wait for genie to recharge''... Lol you guys never did duel without genie? If you depend on a genie to kill people than you kinda suck and need to learn to deal without a genie for 30 seconds.

Amy_Acer - Heavens Tear

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

That's the problem with people complaining about spawn killing, they stand there waiting for genie and w/e, when I appear I go away if there's a lot of people, my genie recharge even if I run/fly ijs or if there's 2-3 persons I just kill them.

''Wait for genie to recharge''... Lol you guys never did duel without genie? If you depend on a genie to kill people than you kinda suck and need to learn to deal without a genie for 30 seconds.

I dont stand there waiting for anything. By the time my screen loads the timer has either ran out or i have 2 seconds to try to run from whatever sin is standing there waiting to kill me.

As far as needing a genie i laugh LOL! We didnt always have genie's... reminds me of FF yesterday when the cleric deemed himself useless to the squad and bailed cuz his genie was dead...

OMarvelous - Sanctuary

Really not the game mechanics fault that your PC loads slower than others, I mean...really?

Amy_Acer - Heavens Tear

OMarvelous - Sanctuary wrote: »

Really not the game mechanics fault that your PC loads slower than others, I mean...really?

So people with super pc's should get the advatnage of spawn killing ppl that dont because of their system? how is that fair? Thats not fair to the person spawning nor is it any fun. You would be suprised how many in this game dont have fast computers.

Lets just limit NW to 100+ and r9 then so at least ppl can be more equal on the field.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Amy_Acer - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So people with super pc's should get the advatnage of spawn killing ppl that dont because of their system? how is that fair? Thats not fair to the person spawning nor is it any fun. You would be suprised how many in this game dont have fast computers.

Lets just limit NW to 100+ and r9 then so at least ppl can be more equal on the field.

I play on a computer old of 2 years that I paid 500$ and I don't have crash problem or loading issues.

If people play on crappy laptop or a computer old of 10 years it's not PWI problem.

I don't even know why people speak about it, PWI won't change anything in NW cause of people with **** computer....

Oh and you would be surprise to know how many R9 have crappy computer and lag issue, I know some R9 people that C$ over 2 500$, but crash constantly and lag all the time, that just make me laugh that people spend so much money on gears in a game beside buy a new computer that will work for every games or programs.

Amy_Acer - Heavens Tear

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

I play on a computer old of 2 years that I paid 500$ and I don't have crash problem or loading issues.

If people play on crappy laptop or a computer old of 10 years it's not PWI problem.

I don't even know why people speak about it, PWI won't change anything in NW cause of people with **** computer....

Oh and you would be surprise to know how many R9 have crappy computer and lag issue, I know some R9 people that C$ over 2 500$, but crash constantly and lag all the time, that just make me laugh that people spend so much money on gears in a game beside buy a new computer that will work for every games or programs.

Well it depends on your proessor and graphic card really Mines an acer with regular intel. But i still load slow.

People seem to miss my original point though when i said they spawn killed me many times AFTER NW was over which is uncalled for and gains them nothing. Spawn killing while its going on i can deal with its part of the game. But doing it AFTER its over is childish rude and makes you a moron.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Amy_Acer - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well it depends on your proessor and graphic card really Mines an acer with regular intel. But i still load slow.

People seem to miss my original point though when i said they spawn killed me many times AFTER NW was over which is uncalled for and gains them nothing. Spawn killing while its going on i can deal with its part of the game. But doing it AFTER its over is childish rude and makes you a moron.

... Next time just go out the battle maybe? Press ''M'' than ''leave battle''.... it take 2 seconds and you have 30 seconds of immunity...

Amy_Acer - Heavens Tear

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

... Next time just go out the battle maybe? Press ''M'' than ''leave battle''.... it take 2 seconds and you have 30 seconds of immunity...

Not the point.....

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Amy_Acer - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Not the point.....

You hope PWI change the ''rules'' cause of ''idiot'' people killing you at spawn point AFTER NW, while you intelligent person could just leave the battle beside come complain on the forum about it. I'm not sure really who's the most stupid person in that story...

Amy_Acer - Heavens Tear

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

You hope PWI change the ''rules'' cause of ''idiot'' people killing you at spawn point AFTER NW, while you intelligent person could just leave the battle beside come complain on the forum about it. I'm not sure really who's the most stupid person in that story...

First of all i never asked anyone to change the rules. They asked what we didnt like and responded. I have a right to my opinion just like you or anyone else here in this game. If they dont change then so be it. i'm not going to QQ if they dont. But i have a right to speak just the same.

Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

That's the problem with people complaining about spawn killing, they stand there waiting for genie and w/e, when I appear I go away if there's a lot of people, my genie recharge even if I run/fly ijs or if there's 2-3 persons I just kill them.

''Wait for genie to recharge''... Lol you guys never did duel without genie? If you depend on a genie to kill people than you kinda suck and need to learn to deal without a genie for 30 seconds.

We complain about spawn killing because when you've been surrounded by R9 x5 is when you realize your screwed. Some of them chase you down often. Yeah it's that bad. Most who chase you are ranged players and if they are archers or psys your dead.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »

We complain about spawn killing because when you've been surrounded by R9 x5 is when you realize your screwed. Some of them chase you down often. Yeah it's that bad. Most who chase you are ranged players and if they are archers or psys your dead.

Read her post again please she complain about spawn killing AFTER NW not during.

Haila - Sanctuary

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Read her post again please she complain about spawn killing AFTER NW not during.

lol i bet she meant EVEN AFTER NW b:nosebleed

Valirah - Sanctuary

Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »

We complain about spawn killing because when you've been surrounded by R9 x5 is when you realize your screwed. Some of them chase you down often. Yeah it's that bad. Most who chase you are ranged players and if they are archers or psys your dead.

Lets say this again, since it seems not to be sinking in. If 5 R9's have nothing else in the battle to do besides wait for your sorry self to spawn so they can fight over the 10 points it will gain them, the battle is already lost, your team is too weak. Spawn killing is in no way changing the outcome of anything.

Amy_Acer - Heavens Tear

Haila - Sanctuary wrote: »

lol i bet she meant EVEN AFTER NW b:nosebleed

actually no, i didnt

Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

You hope PWI change the ''rules'' cause of ''idiot'' people killing you at spawn point AFTER NW, while you intelligent person could just leave the battle beside come complain on the forum about it. I'm not sure really who's the most stupid person in that story...

i dont know whos more stupid, you or the cheaters, spawnkillers and the weaklings who just like to abuse the nw system for their own personal gain. If someone is having trouble with pc loading issues than its up to pw to fix a hole in the system till that user can get their pc fixed. So what if we come here to complain on the forums bout a possible glitch in the nw system, users who have a pc that doesnt load that good should be given loading time so they can not get spawnkilled by a bunch of yellow coward dogs who dont have a sense of ethics and who only want to get their big share of raptures or cannies from the kills that they score on. From reading your replies bella, it sounds like your one of the cheaters, spawnkillers and weaklings who like to prey on those that have weaker gear and are easier to target since its pretty obvious that you either have your NVS3, R8 or R9 gear when the rest of us dont want to get that stuff or even have any intention of getting it. Not all of us are wanting to gear our toons up for competition, all we are after is to experience the pvp fun from nw not for us to get thrashed by those who like to camp at spawn areas just to kill us for the sport of it.

And that goes double for Deceptistar, Kiyoshi and Valirah. I dont stand around in the spawn area when i dont even have 10 hp, my hp is at 400 when i get respawned plus its hard to click on someone when they pop out of nowhere since the autotargeting from the tab button has been disabled during nws. even if we could run away a sin would just instantly keep us from moving, stun us, then aps us to death. i mean whats the fun in that when we cant get a chance to either defend ourselves not to mention counterattack against someone who is attacking us to begin with and yes i mean counterattack oxbrain or did your training instructor teach you not to defend yourself against someone attacking you and then you try to attack them back. Alot of us dont just simply run away from a battle, we try and fight back if we can regardless of how much of a disadvantage we are at fools. So why dont you just keep your stupidity factor to yourselves or save it for someone who cares. But i dont like getting a message saying "oh just run away when your under attack" to me thts a sign of cowardice which im not one plus id rather try and save my skin as best i can regardless of how many ppl are camping on our spawn area. spawnkilling is still a cheaters way to victory and i dont see that in rl war times either. Ambushing the enemy is alot more different than spawnkilling. So if you dipsos dont want to get that message than i suggest you go play on another game that cares bout your rants and just leave pw to those that care bout the game enough to want to fix all the bugs, glitches and other major problems. All you guys are doing is blowing off a bunch of hot air that doesnt affect how pw makes changes.

Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear

Valirah - Sanctuary wrote: »

Lets say this again, since it seems not to be sinking in. If 5 R9's have nothing else in the battle to do besides wait for your sorry self to spawn so they can fight over the 10 points it will gain them, the battle is already lost, your team is too weak. Spawn killing is in no way changing the outcome of anything.

ok let me say this again you absent minded fool, it seems to not be sinking into your poor head cause you got a headache from all these replies bout spawnkilling, if you have 2 R9s with a bunch of NVS3s, than your dead for sure and alot of those are ranged or speedsters such as sins and bms. If r9s are waiting for ppl to respawn its cause they are a bunch of greedy cheating slimeballs who dont care bout anything except themselves. I'll tell ya this is what their motto is "me, myself and I". top that stupid yellow lickin dog. If i had r9 id spawnkill you anytime along with your pack of pathetic cheating losers who are only in nws for the coin instead of the fun. plus it sounds like you dont care bout those that want to do nws the right way instead of doing it the cheaters way. If i was a gm id ban your sorry butt for a month and tell you not to do it again or it be a ban for 5 months. If you do manage to do it on other accounts id ban them too till everyone got the message that spawnkilling is simply against the nw rules. It wouldnt take much to prove it either since a picture is worth a thousand words.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i dont know whos more stupid, you or the cheaters, spawnkillers and the weaklings who just like to abuse the nw system for their own personal gain. If someone is having trouble with pc loading issues than its up to pw to fix a hole in the system till that user can get their pc fixed. So what if we come here to complain on the forums bout a possible glitch in the nw system

Are you working for PWI? Who are you to decide spawn killing is cheating and abuse of a glitch?

As far as I know NO GM or PWI staff stated it was a glitch or not allowed.

Cause some people have **** computers doesn't make something be a glitch ijs...

As people having good computer doesn't make them cheaters....

b:bye

ovenusarmanio

While spawn camping is considered to be poor sportsmanship by many, it is not exploiting a glitch or cheating. The immunity buff is meant to help counteract this. I personally think there should be a short speed buff as well to help you get away from ranged classes and back towards the center, but that's just me.

Xainou - Sanctuary

Eh, the few times I have wandered close to a spawn, I got my *** kicked. When I didn't, it was usually 5 vs 20 or something and they had no choice anyway.

Besides that, someone tried to spawn kill me too. And guess what. The immunity worked wonders and that person just died. b:bye

Valirah - Sanctuary

The anti-"spawn killers" seem to cite their enjoyment of NW is being infringed upon by those who kill them repeatedly. I'd like to counter this by saying the the fun of the "spawn killers" is being infringed upon by people who can't even put up a fight.

Worthy opponents don't get spawn killed. Worthy opponents are entertaining to fight against and earn more points. Farming out unworthy opponents as fast as possible opens the battle for other people who have been waiting to get into the fight, hopefully people who can put up a better fight.

These anti-"spawn killers" are being selfish in putting their wants and needs ahead of both their opponents and fellow players of their nation by demanding that they get to linger longer in a battle than they deserve.

ovenusarmanio

If you really wanted a fair fight so you could have more fun you could just let people away from the spawn and spam kill the noobs to give well geared reinforcements chance to arrive and get grouped together and buffed instead of porting in and having to immediately deal with 20 equally geared opponents before they can buff. While the opponent is buffed and full chi. You aren't doing it because of that reason, you're doing it to end the battle more quickly and that's about it. But this is the same type of excuses I see a lot of TW people making when they constantly bid on lands that they know they are going to steamroll and then complain that TW is boring. And that they want 3-hour tws again. You have no one to blame but yourself for that boredom. You don't have to do it.

Star_Prism - Archosaur

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

While spawn camping is considered to be poor sportsmanship by many, it is not exploiting a glitch or cheating. The immunity buff is meant to help counteract this. I personally think there should be a short speed buff as well to help you get away from ranged classes and back towards the center, but that's just me.

This would be nice, or maybe when we die make it so our genies don't go all the way back to 0 energy. I know as a Arcane class we have two speeds snail and turtle. Without holypath or speed apoth (and often my apoth is in cooldown because I used it to try and keep from dying) in certain battles I'm a sitting duck at the spawn point. Those 15 seconds don't last long enough for me to get out of range. I've been in a few battles where the first thing I do when I respawn is summon my mount or flyer just to get away, then after I'm away I rebuff. And even then I still get kill by an archer or a sin that ported to me and can now kill me way easier because I was trying to get away and didn't have time to buff.

Another thing that works, is instead of running out towards center sometimes I run back towards out capture point as long as no one is running the flag there. People are most often interested in center or by flag pits and it's less likely for enemies to be hanging out back there.

Valirah - Sanctuary

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

If you really wanted a fair fight so you could have more fun you could just let people away from the spawn and spam kill the noobs to give well geared reinforcements chance to arrive and get grouped together and buffed instead of porting in and having to immediately deal with 20 equally geared opponents before they can buff. While the opponent is buffed and full chi. You aren't doing it because of that reason, you're doing it to end the battle more quickly and that's about it. But this is the same type of excuses I see a lot of TW people making when they constantly bid on lands that they know they are going to steamroll and then complain that TW is boring. And that they want 3-hour tws again. You have no one to blame but yourself for that boredom. You don't have to do it.

I have no fun and gain little value from fights where the enemy side is so outclassed that you need to wait for spawn invulnerability to wear off just to find a target. I want these fights over as soon as possible. Letting people wander off just so they can be a hassle makes no sense. If one of these finds their way to a flag and digs it, more time is wasted.

When choosing lands to attack, I always go for the ones to be most heavily defended. If I end up in a losing fight and people are being spawn killed, I'd rather them be farmed out quickly, so that someone of use could get a chance to come in.

ovenusarmanio

Valirah - Sanctuary wrote: »

I have no fun and gain little value from fights where the enemy side is so outclassed that you need to wait for spawn invulnerability to wear off just to find a target. I want these fights over as soon as possible. Letting people wander off just so they can be a hassle makes no sense. If one of these finds their way to a flag and digs it, more time is wasted.

When choosing lands to attack, I always go for the ones to be most heavily defended. If I end up in a losing fight and people are being spawn killed, I'd rather them be farmed out quickly, so that someone of use could get a chance to come in.

You're not letting in the people of use. Because the people of use have no chance to get in groups to defend against you. You've driven away all their allies. And even 3-4 rank 9 players are not going to stand a chance against 10 rank 9 players with full buffs and chi when they've just ported in and everything is on cooldown and they have no buffs and chi. When you do that, you're cutting off your nose to spite your face. The one and only reason to spawn kill is to end a battle in your victory quicker so you can move on to the next battle. If instead you want quality battles you have to give other people a chance to provide that battle. If you don't want to do so, then you have no one to blame but yourself for your boredom. Reinforcements usually ignore battles where it's obvious their side is just getting spawn camped. It's the same thing as wanting a good 1v1 outside west but then staying a in huge squad that is ganking anyone trying 1v1 one you. It's no wonder you didn't get a good 1v1. It's your own fault.

Lavendarfae - Raging Tide

Valirah - Sanctuary wrote: »

I have no fun and gain little value from fights where the enemy side is so outclassed that you need to wait for spawn invulnerability to wear off just to find a target. I want these fights over as soon as possible. Letting people wander off just so they can be a hassle makes no sense. If one of these finds their way to a flag and digs it, more time is wasted.

When choosing lands to attack, I always go for the ones to be most heavily defended. If I end up in a losing fight and people are being spawn killed, I'd rather them be farmed out quickly, so that someone of use could get a chance to come in.

Someone of use? Seriously? You cant be of use in something that does not matter. You can just have fun.

Maybe you should just play solitaire by yourself. You can be all sorts of pro, be really fast, and no low levels can disrupt your "fun". Just go play by yourself. We need new players having fun. Not old players who need to be "pro".

Spawnkilling is for lame *****, but it is a part of the event and we will just have to deal. When there's a spawnkiller, I just attack before the immunity buff wears off. Sometimes I still die. Other times I dont. Personally its not something I will do and its annoying when it happens to me, but oh well... Also, I use the time when I am immune to attack the other side's flag carrier if they happen to be running past me. Usually I die quickly, but sometimes I give my side a chance to get to them. So in reality I am still engaging in the battle even when I have just respawned unbuffed and with no hps. Unless they made it so we were unable to do that I am unsure how they could really stop spawnkilling. Plus, for people who use charms, they normally respawn and have max hp and mp right away. And in these cases in order to protect the flag carrier we sometimes do have to go after them pretty quickly.

Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

If you really wanted a fair fight so you could have more fun you could just let people away from the spawn and spam kill the noobs to give well geared reinforcements chance to arrive and get grouped together and buffed instead of porting in and having to immediately deal with 20 equally geared opponents before they can buff. While the opponent is buffed and full chi. You aren't doing it because of that reason, you're doing it to end the battle more quickly and that's about it. But this is the same type of excuses I see a lot of TW people making when they constantly bid on lands that they know they are going to steamroll and then complain that TW is boring. And that they want 3-hour tws again. You have no one to blame but yourself for that boredom. You don't have to do it.

Ty Venus, exactly the point i was trying to make

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

You're not letting in the people of use. Because the people of use have no chance to get in groups to defend against you. You've driven away all their allies. And even 3-4 rank 9 players are not going to stand a chance against 10 rank 9 players with full buffs and chi when they've just ported in and everything is on cooldown and they have no buffs and chi. When you do that, you're cutting off your nose to spite your face. The one and only reason to spawn kill is to end a battle in your victory quicker so you can move on to the next battle. If instead you want quality battles you have to give other people a chance to provide that battle. If you don't want to do so, then you have no one to blame but yourself for your boredom. Reinforcements usually ignore battles where it's obvious their side is just getting spawn camped. It's the same thing as wanting a good 1v1 outside west but then staying a in huge squad that is ganking anyone trying 1v1 one you. It's no wonder you didn't get a good 1v1. It's your own fault.

Another point well said Venus, and Ty.

Lavendarfae - Raging Tide wrote: »

Someone of use? Seriously? You cant be of use in something that does not matter. You can just have fun.

Maybe you should just play solitaire by yourself. You can be all sorts of pro, be really fast, and no low levels can disrupt your "fun". Just go play by yourself. We need new players having fun. Not old players who need to be "pro".

Spawnkilling is for lame *****, but it is a part of the event and we will just have to deal. When there's a spawnkiller, I just attack before the immunity buff wears off. Sometimes I still die. Other times I dont. Personally its not something I will do and its annoying when it happens to me, but oh well... Also, I use the time when I am immune to attack the other side's flag carrier if they happen to be running past me. Usually I die quickly, but sometimes I give my side a chance to get to them. So in reality I am still engaging in the battle even when I have just respawned unbuffed and with no hps. Unless they made it so we were unable to do that I am unsure how they could really stop spawnkilling. Plus, for people who use charms, they normally respawn and have max hp and mp right away. And in these cases in order to protect the flag carrier we sometimes do have to go after them pretty quickly.

And ty to you too lavendar. i was wondering when someone would make more sense than that idiotic dipso.

Valirah - Sanctuary

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

You're not letting in the people of use. Because the people of use have no chance to get in groups to defend against you. You've driven away all their allies. And even 3-4 rank 9 players are not going to stand a chance against 10 rank 9 players with full buffs and chi when they've just ported in and everything is on cooldown and they have no buffs and chi. When you do that, you're cutting off your nose to spite your face. The one and only reason to spawn kill is to end a battle in your victory quicker so you can move on to the next battle. If instead you want quality battles you have to give other people a chance to provide that battle. If you don't want to do so, then you have no one to blame but yourself for your boredom. Reinforcements usually ignore battles where it's obvious their side is just getting spawn camped. It's the same thing as wanting a good 1v1 outside west but then staying a in huge squad that is ganking anyone trying 1v1 one you. It's no wonder you didn't get a good 1v1. It's your own fault.

Speaking from personal experience, you're wrong. I've been in situations where just a friend and I have gone in to reinforce a losing battle. We've been able stop flags that were about ready to score that would have ended the battle and then either manage to score ourselves or hold the line until more reinforcements could arrive. These fights provided some of my best scores and I look forward to more like them.

I've also been in fights where I was part of a group of 20, that was getting massacred by an outnumbered enemy. I couldn't wait for people to get farmed out of my team, since somehow, even when outnumbered 3 to 1, the enemy was able to pick the flag time and time again, unmolested. Defense was left to just a few of us who somehow managed to keep stopping the flag carriers. My side was filled with people who were of little use, and no new help was possible since our team was maxed at 20. Eventually our side lost, almost due to the enemy scoring 10 points for flag picking, they were at 19 when they finally capped a flag for the win.