Veno vs myst

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Crescendia - Harshlands wrote: »

I have both a veno and a mystic. Nothing makes people rage more then getting purged and amped while someone does massive damage to them. Nothing. And if u really want to annoy them more, Turn them into a pufflebird (or tiger if you have that skill) and drain their chi and throw in a stun + debuff.

That's nice if you can sink deeds with another toon, and actually get there at the same time, but by the time you merely have them purged and amped; someone else could have them dead.

A mystic has their utility skills too. They dont have an 100% increased damage debuff (demon thicket is a chance); they dont purge, which i think is what makes people fear veno's the most.

Lol? Seekers, barbs and sins are all I've noticed as a struggle. Most venos are 1-3 hit kills, and I can't remember a time when one got close enough and lived long enough to purge.

They can knock u around, seal you, slow you, sleep you, do a measly 12% Chance to debuff and stun you, if your pet hasnt died yet. It's just alot of chances to be supportive that has never sat well with me.

Your amp to a single target requiring time being vulnerable while doing no dmg:

"While in fox form, curse the target and make it take 20% more damage for 20.0 seconds."

Mystic has a 30m buff instead:

Increases Skill Damage inflicted on enemies by all squad members within 15 meters
by 20%. Able to be used with other buffs, and lasts for 30 minutes.

To me, veno is one the most ultimate support in this game, with cleric coming after. Nothing compares to what a veno can do which is why it has always been my main when I could play everything else under the sun.

For PvE: I can't think of a single time I've needed or even sought a veno when making a squad. Nothing compares to what any class can do. Why would there be another class if this wasn't the case?

Veno is a good class, but you blow it way out of proportion.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

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Your amp to a single target requiring time being vulnerable while doing no dmg:

You know that sage amp everything in 5 meters? And some people in TW are enough stupid to stand in a group, so if all cata squad got purge one shot, so who care if the veno die after, he did his job.

I prefer mystic over veno, but I think people are wrong to always compare them to the veno, they don't have the same skills/role, their only common point is pets/summons that are also different.

Mystic is a hybride of veno/cleric + some stuff unique to mystic, so ofc the ''veno'' part of the mystic is not better than the veno, but it's just a side of the mystic same with cleric.

But that kind of thread will never end, ofc in the veno section people will say veno>mystic, cause just veno or ppl that have a veno come on that section, as if that thread was in the mystic section people would say mystic>veno.

Anyway it take a week to level 1-70, someone theses day can easy do both chars and compare and chose the one they prefer.

Yatza - Raging Tide

thumbs wrote: »

That's nice if you can sink deeds with another toon, and actually get there at the same time, but by the time you merely have them purged and amped; someone else could have them dead.

So is it just about the killcount? If so maybe veno is a bad class for you, since you think its a waste of time to do a proper job and amp/purge or use other smexy skills/debuffs on a target to make them go down fast.

thumbs wrote: »

Lol? Seekers, barbs and sins are all I've noticed as a struggle. Most venos are 1-3 hit kills, and I can't remember a time when one got close enough and lived long enough to purge.

Idk what your point is to be honest... If you as a player know your class you wont be a 1-3 hit for any of these classes.

thumbs wrote: »

Your amp to a single target requiring time being vulnerable while doing no dmg:

"While in fox form, curse the target and make it take 20% more damage for 20.0 seconds."

Mystic has a 30m buff instead:

Fox form dont time out or get purged ijs...

thumbs wrote: »

For PvE: I can't think of a single time I've needed or even sought a veno when making a squad. Nothing compares to what any class can do. Why would there be another class if this wasn't the case?

I cant agree with you at all... Imo veno is a very wanted class in squads bother PvE and PvP wise.

In PvE squads often wants both a veno amping/purging/reduce HP and a BM HFing so to speed boss killing up.
In PvP, of not more now with NW, people urge for venos in squad cus of bramble and purge/debuffing.

MANray_ - Sanctuary

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That's nice if you can sink deeds with another toon, and actually get there at the same time, but by the time you merely have them purged and amped; someone else could have them dead.
So you kill Barbs in the time it takes venos to purge them?
Lol? Seekers, barbs and sins are all I've noticed as a struggle. Most venos are 1-3 hit kills, and I can't remember a time when one got close enough and lived long enough to purge.
But you struggle killing sins...
Your amp to a single target requiring time being vulnerable while doing no dmg:

"While in fox form, curse the target and make it take 20% more damage for 20.0 seconds."

Mystic has a 30m buff instead:
So you haven't gotten lvl 11 amp on your veno? And you do understand that there's a difference in between buffs and debuffs? It's not just comparing oranges to apples but it's working off different mechanics altogether, I never heard of barbies being taken over venos in aps nirvy runs for instance, and strenght of the titans is a 40% increase on weapon attack. Also, the way these skills work is situational. Let me spell it out for you; I would much rather have amp on a R9rs3 than invigorate on someone using a TT60 weapon... And you have got to be kidding if you think any buff will last long in mass PvP... Fail argument is fail...
For PvE: I can't think of a single time I've needed or even sought a veno when making a squad. Nothing compares to what any class can do. Why would there be another class if this wasn't the case?
Didn't you use to argue that hercs were needed to save barb repairs? Were you not around back when veno was the only class that could lure? Never? Of course other than Cleric there's no class you actually need for PvE content, and with good enough gears you can even do without them...
Veno is a good class, but you blow it way out of proportion.

I know, as usual, you won't even bother responding even when your uninformed OPINIONS have been disproved. But please refrain from posting on PvP which you obviously know nothing about. You know, we wouldn't want you misleading newbies actually looking for solid advice. b:bye

MetzliDemon - Harshlands

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

You know that sage amp everything in 5 meters? And some people in TW are enough stupid to stand in a group, so if all cata squad got purge one shot, so who care if the veno die after, he did his job.

I prefer mystic over veno, but I think people are wrong to always compare them to the veno, they don't have the same skills/role, their only common point is pets/summons that are also different.

Mystic is a hybride of veno/cleric + some stuff unique to mystic, so ofc the ''veno'' part of the mystic is not better than the veno, but it's just a side of the mystic same with cleric.

But that kind of thread will never end, ofc in the veno section people will say veno>mystic, cause just veno or ppl that have a veno come on that section, as if that thread was in the mystic section people would say mystic>veno.

Anyway it take a week to level 1-70, someone theses day can easy do both chars and compare and chose the one they prefer.

Yup, I think people will be always fighting about which is better...
I've both classes and I love them equally. They definitively have different playing roles. The mystic might be the best support class because it can heal and DD and has the pet to help, (I always hated the fact that venos don't have a heal to heal other players) but a veno has great skills that are very helpful in squads.
Both of my chars are not high lvl, the veno is 67 and the mystic is around 48 so idk well how they are in endgame, just talking about what I know at the lvl i play them and by watching other players with these classes and higher lvl.

Xainou - Sanctuary

Different classes, really. I used to be a veno, started a mystic for fun when EG were released and stuck with it ever since.


Venos are great soloers. Your pet takes the damage, you can spam heal it if needed to solo something. You can aoe grind lots of mobs if you're smart with your herc. Also, you pretty much got infinite mp and squads will want you for your debuffs.

Mystic is another story. You are a part healer class and will be asked to soloheal or support the cleric. You also got debuffs and summons. I guess the thing that made me stick to mystic is that I loved being a cleric, I loved being a veno. And mystic has the edge that venos don't have. If my venos pet dies I better get running. I can't tank what my herc was tanking.
If my pet isn't the right level, I'm doomed. Venos only go as far as their pets go unless you got ridiculously good gear and want to use lots of hp pots. Mystics don't do that. With their selfheals they're pretty superior once big enough. I love being able to rush in and tank stuff myself, instead of having to spam heal my pet. And my pet will assist me.


Venos are great debuffers and squad support and the best soloers early on, but imo mystics beat them to it by far in the later game.

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Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

You know that sage amp everything in 5 meters?

No because sage amp isn't aoe.

And some people in TW are enough stupid to stand in a group, so if all cata squad got purge one shot, so who care if the veno die after, he did his job.

If it's you; you're right; i don't care. Purge isn't amp.

I prefer mystic over veno, but I think people are wrong to always compare them to the veno, they don't have the same skills/role, their only common point is pets/summons that are also different.

Smarter than the average bear.

Mystic is a hybride of veno/cleric + some stuff unique to mystic, so ofc the ''veno'' part of the mystic is not better than the veno, but it's just a side of the mystic same with cleric.

There is no hybrid **** going on. Veno phys debuff is single target; Mystic is AoE and includes other debuffs. Veno don't have herbs, mystic doesn't have an alt form, both veno and cleric have AoE from range, mystic only by herbs/summons. Mystic heals and cleric heals aren't even on the same level. It's like saying that veno is hybrid of barb and cleric.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

thumbs wrote: »

No because sage amp isn't aoe.



If it's you; you're right; i don't care. Purge isn't amp.

Yup sorry my bad, I don't know why I had purge in head, but you really said amp.

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

"Hybrid" is the most overused meaningless word used on the class subforums.

/Fasha - Heavens Tear

I prefer Venomancers because you can choose a pet that fits your style.. Mystics are forced to choose between a couple of main pets and some plant helpers.. The perk of being a Mystic, on the other hand, is that your pet goes wherever you do.. Land, Air, Water.. ANYWHERE! So in that aspect Mystics come out on top.

Because I've noticed that with Venos, sure, I can have 3 pets, one for each habitat, but while the Land pet fights along side me and lvls as I do most of the time, my Air and Water pets get left behind in the lvling.. Right now, my main veno is lvl 75 w/a lvl 75 Kowin, a lvl 50-something mermaid Rustler, and a lvl 73 flyer... If I want to keep my Water and Air pets up to my lvl, I am forced to constantly upgrade,.. which is a pain. For instance, the next lvl Water pet up from a lvl 57 Rustler is a lvl 80 pet, which I won't be ready to tame for quite a while. Luckily there aren't many Water quests.. BUT, that in itself is the problem. Why don't they make more Water and Air quests? If they did, keeping those pets up to our lvl would be much easier. Even if it was as simple as having a Water and an Air Monster at each of the One-man Army quest NCPs...

So ya, in the pet lvling area, Mystics are awesome. but I HATE the Earthgard area.. it's so complicated to find a NCP!! you gota run around in circles trying to find your way through a maze to find it! *facepalm* Every other Race is simple.. heck, even with the Tideborn's teleporting, it's not hard to figure it out. But no matter how many times I play Earthguard, I can't get use to it and tht's why I choose Veno.