Exclusive Citrine or Garnets?

Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver
Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver Posts: 756 Arc User
edited December 2012 in Archer
Ok so I'm deciding on what shards I should use for he's armor between those 2. PWCalc did not have them. But they did have g9 shards that came off by a few points close so there's the PWcalcs for both:

Citrines Build:

http://pwcalc.com/a9ab2bd70377b219

Garnets Build:

http://pwcalc.com/8402bb096175e5ef

Garnet's build would be for assassins, bm's, and other archers in NW.

Citrines would be for longer survival.

Or perhaps there's a in bewteen of mixing them you would see better fit?

Extra Note: The gear is +3 and 2 socketed because it has not been made yet. This is in the "What if" worst case scenario. Thank you in advanced for your opinion, I really appreciate it.

Exclusive Garnets:

http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/33939


Exclusive Citrines:

http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/33940
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  • Facerolled - Raging Tide
    Facerolled - Raging Tide Posts: 334 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    http://www.aster.ohmydays.net/pw/socketcalculator.html

    Personally I would just citrine regardless of the socket calculator's results.
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  • opkossy
    opkossy Posts: 11,177 Community Moderator
    edited December 2012
    Just go cits in this case.

    Plenty of magic flying around in NW and magic doesn't miss from arcanes. Plus you're not getting enough of a defense boost to actually give a noticeable help against a sin when your HP is so low they can still 1-shot you in the garnet build.
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  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Citrines

    Archers should always go for average survival i.e. Citrines<Vit stones < JoSD's

    unless you're nicely refined and like DoT's (but those have nothing to do with survival shardin)

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  • Geckofreak - Sanctuary
    Geckofreak - Sanctuary Posts: 2,280 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Exclusive Citrines cost more then Exclusive garnets though. 3.5m each to make, garnets 1.5m. Although, your an archer, evade the phys attacks, get more hp
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  • Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary
    Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary Posts: 337 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Unless you are using a class that has a special pdef buff (i.e. wiz and mystic), I would go citrines. Garnets only beat citrines in terms of survivability when you have a higher pdef modifier.
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Garnets only beat citrines in terms of survivability when you have a higher pdef modifier.

    I think you mean the opposite. Garnet shards is only marginally good when you have next to no p.def.
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  • Geckofreak - Sanctuary
    Geckofreak - Sanctuary Posts: 2,280 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Unless you are using a class that has a special pdef buff (i.e. wiz and mystic), I would go citrines. Garnets only beat citrines in terms of survivability when you have a higher pdef modifier.

    Silly SS, this is archer forum
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  • Vindis - Dreamweaver
    Vindis - Dreamweaver Posts: 614 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Citrine all the way across the sky.

    As others have said it is much better against magic classes to have more hp than physical defense.
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  • Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary
    Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary Posts: 337 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I think you mean the opposite. Garnet shards is only marginally good when you have next to no p.def.

    Hm, well I think I'll clarify.
    It is true that garnet shards are best when you have next to no pdef, but if you look at Asterelle's calc, changing the pdef doesn't change the added survivability by adding garnet shards. What does change is the added survivability from vit/citrine/josd shards, and at a certain pdef, those values exceed that of garnet shards. What an added 120-150% pdef modifier from a buff, like stone barrier or verdant shell, does is increase that threshold to a point that it won't be exceeded easily, even with full garnet shards.

    That analysis, now that I look at it, serves a very small niche, as it really only applies to wizzies and mystics. In addition, this is only looking at the added physical survivability, as mystics/wizzies don't have to worry too much about mdef, whereas an archer does. In other words, what I said isn't relevant to an archer.
  • Geckofreak - Sanctuary
    Geckofreak - Sanctuary Posts: 2,280 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary wrote: »
    In other words, what I said isn't relevant to an archer.
    Yup, and niehter was that whole post either!b:shutup
    If you had said something like this, it would be relevant
    Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Im a wizard, dont use garnet shards, use citrine shards, will make it so easy to kill me a caveman could do it! If you use garnet shards against me, ill be able to maybe hit you for like 300 damage, if you use citrine shards, ill stil be able to hit you for like 300 damage, but youd have more hp, and it would be easier to kill me, even though its already incredibly easy.
    Your already easy to kill though b:laugh
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  • Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary
    Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary Posts: 337 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Psh you haven't killed me once in nw gecko ;o.
  • Geckofreak - Sanctuary
    Geckofreak - Sanctuary Posts: 2,280 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Psh you haven't killed me once in nw gecko ;o.

    Cuz your on my team, or you run away until people come to gank meb:sad
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  • XxRagzxx - Sanctuary
    XxRagzxx - Sanctuary Posts: 258 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    With g16 you are gonna have really good def. Personally, i'd go with cits, or vit stones. Vit stones will give you pdef and mdef as well as hp. I wouldn't recommend going JoSD though out of all possible sharding. If you can afford JoSD, then you can afford r999.
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