Scammers have resulted in people being scared to trade
Geckofreak - Sanctuary
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Other day i had my friend make me a vana la g15 cape so i could make it into g16. It came out 4 sockets. I have wasted over 50 teles, offering to trade it for a 2 or 3 socket la cape, just to not waste the 4 sockets, because many will gladly use it in combo with helm and r9 for 5 more attack level.
Alot of people think im trying to pull some sort of trick on them, like a switcheroo scam, and have been world chatting that in response to me.
Honestly, people rarely ever turn down free stuffs in pwi, but now, they are scared to take it?
Sanctuary has had a major scamming problem recently, centering around suspicious toons that are decent level, but no/low gear, and seem to all speak english very poorly.
People turn down free upgrades?b:shocked
Alot of people think im trying to pull some sort of trick on them, like a switcheroo scam, and have been world chatting that in response to me.
Honestly, people rarely ever turn down free stuffs in pwi, but now, they are scared to take it?
Sanctuary has had a major scamming problem recently, centering around suspicious toons that are decent level, but no/low gear, and seem to all speak english very poorly.
People turn down free upgrades?b:shocked
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Natural selection for people who get scammed.
As for your cape, nobody wants it, just make your g16 with the 4 socket cape.0 -
I agree with her, just make it G16. Not worth the trading troubles if you used over 50+ teles by now.0
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Im going to, just need 1 more warsong run for badges.
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I don't pay enough attention to wc on a normal basis/have been busy with finals so I'm a bit distanced from spammy things going on(and different servers), but it kind of reminds me of how, on Dreamweaver, there's been two people with +7 or something Decides with phys. attack shards of +32~... both of them have used lots of teles over the course of days to try and find a 'clean' Decide or lower refined one to trade their higher refined ones for, and no one's taken the offer.
It seems it'd be a bit difficult to be scammed for an item trade where both of you have the item in the trade at the same time/are actually paying attention, so.. >:
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Dude, don't take it personal, I know you mean well and that you've invested plenty of both time and coin (pretty much becoming something like the 5th snowman) on this good deed, but you do have to realize there's very few people who would actually be interested in the upgrade; Most players using that cape likely already invested in what sharding/refining they had planned on doing, and may not feel up to going through whatever expense that is again, especially now that NW has pretty much turned it into a short term holdover for most of the people who could even afford one in the first place. You would need to find a player that just got his/hers and is for whatever reason planning on using it long enough the expense of sharding/refining would seem justified.
On the scammers thing that just sounds like a rationalization. Yes, Sanctuary is unfortunately being hit by all sorts of scammers, we had people in my faction impersonated by these petty criminals, which is probably on the minds of many, but trading does have enough safeguards built into it its paranoid to consider it unsafe. The only people I actually know who have in fact been scammed trading (other than the magic beans type) are those who unfortunately are too trusting to realize people may switch an item before the transaction is completed. This is why items should always be checked after both players press confirm, and there's no good reason why anyone should be offended by this part of the transaction getting delayed or unexpectedly back out of a deal because of it.0 -
... or maybe it's got to do with OPs questionable reputation.
For making gears, I have my trusted friends that give me the same trust back. It's either them or faction mates I know well. Not going to give some unknown person something of worth.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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That's kind of a bummer but noticed similar things going on. Players aren't trusting other players even with simple things that are hard to scam. To me, it's their loss. It's not hard to check the item before and after you hit the confirm button and it's not like scammers are forcing people's computer to do things against their will.0
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Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »... or maybe it's got to do with OPs questionable reputation.
For making gears, I have my trusted friends that give me the same trust back. It's either them or faction mates I know well. Not going to give some unknown person something of worth.
I've never done a dishonest thing in gameb:sad
Also, I'm not asking to be given anything, i have a 4 socket cape, i will trade it, directly, for a 3 or 2 socket, for no charge.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I'd suggest, personally, to offer the 4 socket for a 2/3 socket with coins. Then people will take it more seriously.
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Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »I'd suggest, personally, to offer the 4 socket for a 2/3 socket with coins. Then people will take it more seriously.
I recall seeing your WC's, and thinking, 'wth, why?'
She'd be losing coins if she did that. a LOT of coins...not worth the profit loss that can be used for future items. Just make it G16 even if it ends up 2 or 3 socket.0 -
Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »I'd suggest, personally, to offer the 4 socket for a 2/3 socket with coins. Then people will take it more seriously.
I recall seeing your WC's, and thinking, 'wth, why?'
Doesn't anyone on Sancturary trade good gear for **** when they are just going to decompose it anyway? I guess I just don't understand the hostility towards this since it used not be totally unheard of, at least on DW that it wasnt unheard of even if it wasn't frequent. @chigenkaiona, And no you don't lose any coins. When you upgrade it and don't keep refines and stuff it comes out the same if it was a 1 socket or 4. That's why it's a nice thing to do.
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oVenusArmanio wrote: »Doesn't anyone on Sancturary trade good gear for **** when they are just going to decompose it anyway? I guess I just don't understand the hostility towards this since it used not be totally unheard of, at least on DW that it wasnt unheard of even if it wasn't frequent. @chigenkaiona, And no you don't lose any coins. When you upgrade it and don't keep refines and stuff it comes out the same if it was a 1 socket or 4. That's why it's a nice thing to do.
I initially looked for a small amount of coins, but honestly, i dont see a need for that. People do trade good gear for worse to decompose, or did at least, but mistrust has taken a toll it seems b:cry
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It's a shame this is how things are turning but it is what it is. Now people basically only trust their friends and feel everyone else is out to get them.
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Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »I
Basically, this game has changed, used to be about friendship and working together, now about who can be the best, at the expense of others
Yea... the old days of barb/cleric gets first pick of tt drops is just all so friendly.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yea... the old days of barb/cleric gets first pick of tt drops is just all so friendly.
People always forget that the game used to be just as cut-throat and unfriendly. Hello, who forgot the days when no one took you to gamma if you were not 'experienced?'Proving that not only archers do math since 2009. b:victory
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I am not confused by this at all.
What did you all expect when a mostly PvE MMO, where its in the best interest of all to co-operate and be friendly becomes PvP MMO.
It is now a game that favors PvP play where the self interest of the individual is encouraged.
Do not say NW encourages team work, instead read the threads about too many NW alts, lack of co-operation of nation players, Players not worrying about capturing the flag but having a PK fest instead, etc.
I trust no-one now. b:sad
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Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »People always forget that the game used to be just as cut-throat and unfriendly. Hello, who forgot the days when no one took you to gamma if you were not 'experienced?'
I do!
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I remember that but I also remember more random acts of kindness to balance it out. Now it's cut-throat but there is also less warm fuzzy moments to balance it all out. I mean this is to the point where people are kinda shooting themselves in the foot. I mean really what would you ahve to lose to see if Gecko was telling the truth? Absolutely nothing.0
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Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »She'd be losing coins if she did that. a LOT of coins...not worth the profit loss that can be used for future items. Just make it G16 even if it ends up 2 or 3 socket.
I don't see how you came to this conclusion unless you didn't read/understand the post. Gecko wants to make a G16 cape and is going to use a G15 to do so regarless of amount of sockets. She is not at all worried about get a few extra coins in a trade and is doing so as a nice player to give someone that only wants G15 cape one with max sockets.
All Sarrafeline suggested was that most people in wc look for coins when trading max socket gear for a 2/3 socked equivalent. If Gecko looked to do the same it would appear to be more the norm and people may take up her offer rather than thinking it is too good to be true and calling her a scammer.0 -
SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver wrote: »I don't see how you came to this conclusion unless you didn't read/understand the post. Gecko wants to make a G16 cape and is going to use a G15 to do so regarless of amount of sockets. She is not at all worried about get a few extra coins in a trade and is doing so as a nice player to give someone that only wants G15 cape one with max sockets.
All Sarrafeline suggested was that most people in wc look for coins when trading max socket gear for a 2/3 socked equivalent. If Gecko looked to do the same it would appear to be more the norm and people may take up her offer rather than thinking it is too good to be true and calling her a scammer.
I may not know the prices on her server, but a g16 cape on ours is 120m+ and g15 capes sell for like 30m or so. That's a huge amount of coins to add for something with lower sockets...unless you cash shop. Considering that people don't honestly care about socket add-on prices when selling the item unless it's 4. And it being a cape, people are now using either a G16 cape or a interval cape, under which G13 lunar is the highest you can get for interval. No in betweens.0 -
Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »I may not know the prices on her server, but a g16 cape on ours is 120m+ and g15 capes sell for like 30m or so. That's a huge amount of coins to add for something with lower sockets...unless you cash shop.
Gecko needs a g15 cape to make a g16 cape. Gecko has a fantastic g15 cape. Rather than destroy that g15 cape to make a g16 cape, gecko is willing to trade someone for a cape that isn't as good. This way Gecko still gets their g16, and the other person gets a free upgrade from someone who is being kind. It used to happen more frequently but now it's so rare players are confused at the very concept and calling Gecko a scammer. it's not a scam. Either way a g15 cape is going to need to be destroyed to make the g16. It just there is no reason why that has to be a good g15 cape. Pricing is irrevelant. It's not being sold. It's being traded.0 -
oVenusArmanio wrote: »Gecko needs a g16 cape to make a g15 cape. Gecko has a fantastic g15 cape. Rather than destroy that g15 cape to make a g16 cape, gecko is willing to trade someone for a cape that isn't as good. This way Gecko still gets their g16, and the other person gets a free upgrade from someone who is being kind. It used to happen more frequently but now it's so rare players are confused at the very concept and calling Gecko a scammer. it's not a scam. Either way a g15 cape is going to need to be destroyed to make the g16. It just there is no reason why that has to be a good g15 cape. Pricing is irrevelant. It's not being sold. It's being traded.
Yeah sad to see a good cape like that. I suppose the only "good" way anyone can destroy it is socket transfer....but that can cost an arm and a leg...0 -
On the whole if someone was offering something nice in trade for something less with no apparent gain to themselves, people would be skeptical. This applies across the board well beyond this MMO and its "scammers" and into many aspects of real life.
If it sounds to be good to be true, it usually is.
Add on top of that....there's probably many people who don't even want your cape or care to trade because they are going to recast to g16 themselves. So they don't care about sockets either.
Combine elements like this together and you're taking something far too personal that you shouldn't be.0 -
oVenusArmanio wrote: »Gecko needs a g16 cape to make a g15 cape. Gecko has a fantastic g15 cape. Rather than destroy that g15 cape to make a g16 cape, gecko is willing to trade someone for a cape that isn't as good. This way Gecko still gets their g16, and the other person gets a free upgrade from someone who is being kind. It used to happen more frequently but now it's so rare players are confused at the very concept and calling Gecko a scammer. it's not a scam. Either way a g15 cape is going to need to be destroyed to make the g16. It just there is no reason why that has to be a good g15 cape. Pricing is irrevelant. It's not being sold. It's being traded.
Yup, but i jsut world chatted again seeing if i could get some coins, short of an eod now ><[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Cotillion - Dreamweaver wrote: »On the whole if someone was offering something nice in trade for something less with no apparent gain to themselves, people would be skeptical. This applies across the board well beyond this MMO and its "scammers" and into many aspects of real life.
If it sounds to be good to be true, it usually is.
Add on top of that....there's probably many people who don't even want your cape or care to trade because they are going to recast to g16 themselves. So they don't care about sockets either.
Combine elements like this together and you're taking something far too personal that you shouldn't be.
IRL there is an element of risk and danger ot it. In-game if it's some idiot just cancel trade. There is no reason not to do it. And all this hostility and distrust for no good reason over even the smallest things isn't very nice for the community as a whole.Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »Yup, but i jsut world chatted again seeing if i could get some coins, short of an eod now ><
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oVenusArmanio wrote: »Gecko needs a g16 cape to make a g15 cape. Gecko has a fantastic g15 cape. Rather than destroy that g15 cape to make a g16 cape, gecko is willing to trade someone for a cape that isn't as good. This way Gecko still gets their g16, and the other person gets a free upgrade from someone who is being kind. It used to happen more frequently but now it's so rare players are confused at the very concept and calling Gecko a scammer. it's not a scam. Either way a g15 cape is going to need to be destroyed to make the g16. It just there is no reason why that has to be a good g15 cape. Pricing is irrevelant. It's not being sold. It's being traded.
Thanks Venus, I thought I had explained it to him well enough but looks like he didn't take the hint about reading/understanding previous posts b:surrender0 -
oVenusArmanio wrote: »IRL there is an element of risk and danger ot it. In-game if it's some idiot just cancel trade. There is no reason not to do it. And all this hostility and distrust for no good reason over even the smallest things isn't very nice for the community as a whole.
People taking a gold from lunar that very very rarely sells, and trying to sell it right after the run. I was a bit upset because i was farming that item. But i thought hey, if the person is going to make an item out of it, sure go ahead, i'll get it again. When they were selling it on world chat i got that item for 5k from that person b:chuckle.
People run away with the silliest things in this game. If someone really looks at this game in the long run, scammers will never amount to the money needed to have good gear in this game, unless they are exceptional scammers (in that case all the power to you).
I am sure there are some people who have scammed, or are thinking about it. Look at it objectively, how can you raise 7 billion coins by doing your scams? Wouldn't it be easier on your nerves just to go out and have fun with other players in trying to raise that money?
There are people i know on the server who are scammers, they are black listed on my main, always find it amusing when they try to sell things when i see the world chat on the alt.
Overall it is sad, a "game" being driven to such dark places b:chuckle.0 -
The scamming wouldnt be a problem if the players ticketed it in and the GMs responded to it in a timely manner wouldnt it? If pple arent scared to scam, then we know how much work the GMs are doing >.> Ive had a couple instances where the GMs were able to trace a trade through 2-3 characters so i know its not impossible. Just the pple who ticketed were loyal cash shoppers =,=;[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]lagunal8.deviantart.com
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You're trying to trade a G15 4 socket cape that BINDS ON EQUIP.
How many people do you think:
1) Have an unrefined / unsharded G15 LA cape
2) Have the TT version of that cape
3) That they have never equipped
4) Are not planning to turn it into G16
G15 LA capes are not even popular and you're peddling the less popular version of that cape.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »You're trying to trade a G15 4 socket cape that BINDS ON EQUIP.
How many people do you think:
1) Have an unrefined / unsharded G15 LA cape
2) Have the TT version of that cape
3) That they have never equipped
4) Are not planning to turn it into G16
G15 LA capes are not even popular and you're peddling the less popular version of that cape.
Alot of people are making them now that cannies are so low, just look at the red chat.
Also, i know several r9 archers who have the tt vana g15 helm, but no cape, using a lunar glade interval instead. Less popular version? tt and lunar based helm and capes are exactely the same. I said in a few of my world chats that lunar or tt base would be fine, doesnt matter for g16
Also, it doesnt matter anymore, i used it to make my g16, so im finally full.
The point of this thread wasnt to highlight the fact that no one would trade, it was to highlight the reactions of people, seeing an offer that had no downside, and instead of taking it, calling me a liar on the world chat[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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