Assassins can solo fcc too fast, so kill them!

Geckofreak - Sanctuary

Name says it all

Assassin, aps gear, decently refined weapon, 25 minute fcc runs solo to exp room, get a ton of exp on the bosses alone, sell the exp room, make 1.5m, rinse repeat.

So, im thinking something upon the lines of an immune damage 100% accuracy mob that shoots out 2 simultaneous 1 shot attacks, 1 to kill deaden nerves, 1 kill to kill. This mob will be passive unless a sin in stealth mode runs by it, and it will be out of attacking range below instance, but have huge aggro range to detect the stealthing sins. was thinking, maybe it would work like this. The mob would have some sort of negative aggro, only detecting people in stealth, with a stealth level over 88 (requried to stealth through fcc). its 1 shot skill could have a long channeling time, like 20 or 30 seconds, but it will be able to hit a sin or archer stealthing anywhere in fcc, if they stay in stealth for more then 20 seconds, and kill them, if they remain in stealth for too long. If they leave stealth in time, the killing mob, willl lose its target, and the attack will cancel.

The mob could also release an annoying red text warning everytime like.
"I SEE YOU, silly little assassin, i will eat you for breakfast!"

Also if possible the mob should have a name like "Doug the Exterminator" have 1 hp, and the appearance of Lord Pugslyb:laugh

Veneir - Dreamweaver

x3 While this made me chuckle; sins with aps gears are basically only really useful for PvE farming, anyway 'cause of how fragile they are. ("You don't really expect to kill or live against a g16 with TT99 armour.... do you?" rofl) Let them keep their ability to farm in instances, I don't care about that xD

But as for the world map, there should totally be a mob that looks like Puglsy, says silly things if it detects stealthed sins, and attacks them with something that knocks them out of stealth somewhere random just to be annoying aka doesn't actually kill them so we can laugh at them xD!

Geckofreak - Sanctuary

Veneir - Dreamweaver wrote: »

x3 While this made me chuckle; sins with aps gears are basically only really useful for PvE farming, now/in the near future, anyway. ("You don't really expect to kill or live against a g16 with TT99 armour.... do you?" rofl) Let them keep their ability to farm in instances, I don't care about that xD

FCC isnt farming, its leveling. These sins in fcc can hit lv 103 incredibly fast by hypering on the bosses, and make 1.5m a run off of other players. On Sanctuary, there are around 30 exp rooms being sold for every real fcc run being made by a squad. Taking money from noobs who dont know any better by providing a convenience service that makes them easy cash while taking from the rest of us, is a problem. Fcc sales also can allow sins to buy future, non aps survivability gears for their sin, or for another toon, with the 1.5m they make per run. For them, its a win win situation, but for the classes who cant solo, or noobs who dont have the money to spend, it makes leveling up much harder.

Veneir - Dreamweaver

...you realize pretty much any character can solo FC in a really short period of time if they're OP enough right. *lack of substantial concern about sins; I also have nothing against them being able to use the money they get to fund their other gears, like I have nothing against any other class doing that.*
Farming, FC Spamming, yadda instance farming all the same in my classification system x3 I'll respect yours, though.
I know a sinny who solo'd FC for himself(after doing runs to get other people to 100, who mainily just ditched him afterwords and acted all rude to him with their new armour and such...) to get to 102 and it took about two months, after which it fried his brain and he hates FC now loll, so I wouldn't say 103 is the most sane thing for them...

Meh edit-ish note; while I wouldn't blame sins specifically(other well geared people and other classes that are good at farming fc(like bms)), there's really that many runs being sold in Sanctuary for that expensive, eh o_O There's not very many on DW and I've seen people world chat looking for rooms to buy instead of selling rooms and full rooms are more like 1m-1.2m ish, last I was watching wc.

Geckofreak - Sanctuary

Veneir - Dreamweaver wrote: »

...you realize pretty much any character can solo FC in a really short period of time if they're OP enough right. *lack of substantial concern about sins; I also have nothing against them being able to use the money they get to fund their other gears, like I have nothing against any other class doing that.*
Farming, FC Spamming, yadda instance farming all the same in my classification system x3 I'll respect yours, though.
I know a sinny who solo'd FC for himself(after doing runs to get other people to 100, who mainily just ditched him afterwords and acted all rude to him with their new armour and such...) to get to 102 and it took about two months, after which it fried his brain and he hates FC now loll, so I wouldn't say 103 is the most sane thing for them...

Meh edit-ish note; while I wouldn't blame sins specifically(other well geared people and other classes that are good at farming fc(like bms)), there's really that many runs being sold in Sanctuary for that expensive, eh o_O There's not very many on DW and I've seen people world chat looking for rooms to buy instead of selling rooms and full rooms are more like 1m-1.2m ish, last I was watching wc.

I know that others can, but sins just have a huge advantage in it. They can stealth through all the mobs. Thats why lord pugly will shoot them!

Veneir - Dreamweaver

Nn true that they can, and they do.
Though once when a friend of mine bought a sin-run FC for our lower level characters, we went through and killed some of those mobs with hypers on and got a bunch of experience from the leftovers, so there's some not rotten points of them being left o.o

Anyway on the point of adding to your idea instead of debating about the morale of it,
even if Lord Pugly was in the instance, there's still spots at least every ten seconds or so where they'd be able to stealth and re-stealth or something like that, so if they're paying attention it'd just be a nuisance alone... maybe he could be grouped with some random level ? mobs in the middle of groups(with really low HP so other classes wouldn't be effected that much by damage reduction) so that stealthing sins randomily get ganked by stuff when sneaking through mobs, if the mob skipping is really what the problem you're saying is xDD*facepaw*

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Before comment I just want to be sure I understand what you mean, you want to change some mobs so sins cannot do as fast as now FC?

Geckofreak - Sanctuary

Veneir - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Nn true that they can, and they do.
Though once when a friend of mine bought a sin-run FC for our lower level characters, we went through and killed some of those mobs with hypers on and got a bunch of experience from the leftovers, so there's some not rotten points of them being left o.o

Anyway on the point of adding to your idea instead of debating about the morale of it,
even if Lord Pugly was in the instance, there's still spots at least every ten seconds or so where they'd be able to stealth and re-stealth or something like that, so if they're paying attention it'd just be a nuisance alone... maybe he could be grouped with some random level ? mobs in the middle of groups(with really low HP so other classes wouldn't be effected that much by damage reduction) so that stealthing sins randomily get ganked by stuff when sneaking through mobs, if the mob skipping is really what the problem you're saying is xDD*facepaw*

true, but the thing is they would have to manage cooldowns very carefully on shadow escape. i know my idea isnt perfect, but still, lord pugly firing 1 shot lazers at stealthers in fccb:dirty

Veneir - Dreamweaver

Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »

true, but the thing is they would have to manage cooldowns very carefully on shadow escape. i know my idea isnt perfect, but still, lord pugly firing 1 shot lazers at stealthers in fccb:dirty

xD Nnyes... might stress 'em out a bit and make them do FCC like everyone else when they just can't put up with it anymore/one of those days o.o'?
I think the Lord Pugly thing is wonderfully hillarious(in a good way, not a mocking way)xD but.. eh.. still, at core, I think that if they have an advantage for instance running, they should be able to use it. It's kinda like how venos with hercs used to be the class for TT running and if it was said back then to send something that killed a veno's pet if it was summoned for more than x amount of time :x

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Before comment I just want to be sure I understand what you mean, you want to change some mobs so sins cannot do as fast as now FC?

Eum if you meant my thing about the ? level mobs, I meant something along the lines of putting a completily new mob in the middle of like one group a hallway or something, with a really small amount of HP and attack so it wouldn't be a nuisance to other classes(if we're focusing on sins like Gecko's idea is), but it's aggressive so knocks a sin out of stealth when running through that otherwise regular group of mobs.
And n'eh, it was less of a thing that I would want that implemented so much as I was embracing the idea of the thread xD

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Ok, but just let you know that some class can solo FC as much as fast as sins. On my mystic I was able to do it in 40 minutes and that's a while ago with my old gears.

On the ''first'' part of FC sins need to clean the group of mobs anyway cause when they sell the buyers need to be able to go in the exp room, so it's more the ''second'' part of the FC that sins skip groups (bishop boss, slash and the other one), but for a other class with decent gears it's not really a big deal, that even give them more exp to do them.

The thing they could do thought is to fix the second boss glitch, many sins use a alt to glitch the boss cause the can't solo it normal way, they should make the boss reset if the people glitch it. (Trust me just fix that glitch will make at least half of sins unable to solo FC)

Geckofreak - Sanctuary

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Ok, but just let you know that some class can solo FC as much as fast as sins. On my mystic I was able to do it in 40 minutes and that's a while ago with my old gears.

On the ''first'' part of FC sins need to clean the group of mobs anyway cause when they sell the buyers need to be able to go in the exp room, so it's more the ''second'' part of the FC that sins skip groups (bishop boss, slash and the other one), but for a other class with decent gears it's not really a big deal, that even give them more exp to do them.

The thing they could do thought is to fix the second boss glitch, many sins use a alt to glitch the boss cause the can't solo it normal way, they should make the boss reset if the people glitch it. (Trust me just fix that glitch will make at least half of sins unable to solo FC)

Agreed on second boss fix

my original idea was to have an all powerful all seeing entity (in the form of lord pugly) to 1 shot everyone who stealths for too long, forcing people to clear the mobs.... or they could just make it all mobs required to be killed to open doors, instead of just the shade? XD

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »

Agreed on second boss fix

my original idea was to have an all powerful all seeing entity (in the form of lord pugly) to 1 shot everyone who stealths for too long, forcing people to clear the mobs.... or they could just make it all mobs required to be killed to open doors, instead of just the shade? XD

Yea that too, all mobs be kill to open door could work too, but they really need to fix the second boss glitch, too many people abuse it, people that would not be able to do it without glitch.

If they fix it, at least sins won't have choice to use pots as the other class to make it.

Geckofreak - Sanctuary

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Yea that too, all mobs be kill to open door could work too, but they really need to fix the second boss glitch, too many people abuse it, people that would not be able to do it without glitch.

If they fix it, at least sins won't have choice to use pots as the other class to make it.

Honestly, the 2nd boss if the mobs arent killed is really hard to solo for everyone, because it frequently seals, stuns, and bubbles you, almost constantly. in fact, the easisest class to solo on is the assassin, because can spark, use tidal protection, and kill fast

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »

Honestly, the 2nd boss if the mobs arent killed is really hard to solo for everyone, because it frequently seals, stuns, and bubbles you, almost constantly. in fact, the easisest class to solo on is the assassin, because can spark, use tidal protection, and kill fast

When my bf saw me solo it on my mystic he thought that was unfair cause it's more easy for me than him (on his sin). xD

The boss is kinda stupid and bubble my plants or pet, but almost never me (I don't even have a memory that he bubbled me when I soloed him). =P

Geckofreak - Sanctuary

Assassin's from sanctuary found out i posted this thread and now im being hunted!b:shocked

Well not really hunted, but trolled, alotb:sad

Just proves that we need Lord Pugly to shoot them as they stealth in fcc to shut them up!b:victory

Kyooshu - Sanctuary

Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »

Assassin's from sanctuary found out i posted this thread and now im being hunted!b:shocked

Well not really hunted, but trolled, alotb:sad

Just proves that we need Lord Pugly to shoot them as they stealth in fcc to shut them up!b:victory

Bwahahaha, i shall Hunt you down Gecko >:O.

Imho, i agree, it would be a funny idea. However, what about those who join normal squads, and stealth ahead to kill shades so BM/Barb can pull without having to worry about their Magic dmg as much? not ALL sins who stealth fcc sell it. my fac mates who do it and give it to the medium range 7x-8x people, who otherwise CANT do it. or they'll stealth ahead, solo boss, while other fac members kill mobs in the halls for them. Soloing fcc isn't the problem. the REAL problem is people being greedy and trying to profit off of it. Not everybody has the time ot spend questing on quests that will give a total of what.. 10% or less of your level? some people have jobs =/, or school even. Sure,some people look at it as a cheap( and by that i mean easy and fast) way to level, but other people, without fcc, would hardly ever level at all xD. i remember, back befre i ever did any FCC's, i spent about a year questing my BM up to 75. quests give SOOO low exp at higher levels, it's not funny, and oyu should know that =/. grinding on mobs on the world map, or any other map? that's so pointless it's really laughable. rofl

In my eyes, what you're suggesting, is pretty much destroying the aspect of Stealth, because it isnt very useful for very much other than farming in my opinion. sure, there's those who use it for pvp, but not all of us are pvp, like myself. It would be like Veneir said before, something ot kill a veno's pet if it was summoned for X amount of time in TT and such. All ideas are double-edged swords. they all have 2 sides ( or more 0.o), and this is deffinately one of them.

Edit: I also do have to agree, the Fixing of the second boss's glitch would help remendousely in the stoppage of solo FCC's, HOWEVER, it also makes it neerly impossible ( or at least very very very very hard) for squads below 90 to kill it without help. so you're stuck at 7x/8x, trying to unsuccessfully do a fcc, so instead switch to questing and etc for exp Dx

Geckofreak - Sanctuary

Kyooshu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Bwahahaha, i shall Hunt you down Gecko >:O.

Imho, i agree, it would be a funny idea. However, what about those who join normal squads, and stealth ahead to kill shades so BM/Barb can pull without having to worry about their Magic dmg as much? not ALL sins who stealth fcc sell it. my fac mates who do it and give it to the medium range 7x-8x people, who otherwise CANT do it. or they'll stealth ahead, solo boss, while other fac members kill mobs in the halls for them. Soloing fcc isn't the problem. the REAL problem is people being greedy and trying to profit off of it. Not everybody has the time ot spend questing on quests that will give a total of what.. 10% or less of your level? some people have jobs =/, or school even. Sure,some people look at it as a cheap( and by that i mean easy and fast) way to level, but other people, without fcc, would hardly ever level at all xD. i remember, back befre i ever did any FCC's, i spent about a year questing my BM up to 75. quests give SOOO low exp at higher levels, it's not funny, and oyu should know that =/. grinding on mobs on the world map, or any other map? that's so pointless it's really laughable. rofl

In my eyes, what you're suggesting, is pretty much destroying the aspect of Stealth, because it isnt very useful for very much other than farming in my opinion. sure, there's those who use it for pvp, but not all of us are pvp, like myself. It would be like Veneir said before, something ot kill a veno's pet if it was summoned for X amount of time in TT and such. All ideas are double-edged swords. they all have 2 sides ( or more 0.o), and this is deffinately one of them.

Edit: I also do have to agree, the Fixing of the second boss's glitch would help remendousely in the stoppage of solo FCC's, HOWEVER, it also makes it neerly impossible ( or at least very very very very hard) for squads below 90 to kill it without help. so you're stuck at 7x/8x, trying to unsuccessfully do a fcc, so instead switch to questing and etc for exp Dx

I honestly just dont like the way people are just buying fcc rooms. Fcc babiesb:shocked, even those who didnt quest, but actually had to run fccs in squads learned their classes somewhat. Now they just learn to pay 200k to an assassin, to hit a single boss that spawns hands, and to bloodpaint the seeker, and have him solo exp room with vortex, then to tab target things with a bow. That process makes for a pro lv 100 playerb:surrender

Assassins stealth was initially designed for an ambush or for an escape, not to just skip over things. Could always just give all the mobs in fcc a sight buff like +50 detection level, or just make them lv ? with hp reduced accordingly. Ive talked to bms who can solo, and other classes asking them why they dont do it often, and they say that it takes too long and isnt worth it. ends up being like maybe hour and 30 minutes for a bm to clear to exp room, having to periodically use a sin alt to bp themselves and glitch the 2nd boss, and also they take alot of charm damage. The sin however can do it in 30 minutes, and sell for same amount for 3x the profit, and also less charm used. many sins use 2 sins they control using multiclient policy to do it even faster, with all the profit still going to 1 person. Its not the soloing that bothers me, its the speed. If it werent so fast, people would run as squads still

Lord Pugly shooting sins when they abuse their stealth soo much more awesome though!b:chuckle

Kyooshu - Sanctuary

Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »

I honestly just dont like the way people are just buying fcc rooms. Fcc babiesb:shocked, even those who didnt quest, but actually had to run fccs in squads learned their classes somewhat. Now they just learn to pay 200k to an assassin, to hit a single boss that spawns hands, and to bloodpaint the seeker, and have him solo exp room with vortex, then to tab target things with a bow. That process makes for a pro lv 100 playerb:surrender

Assassins stealth was initially designed for an ambush or for an escape, not to just skip over things. Could always just give all the mobs in fcc a sight buff like +50 detection level, or just make them lv ? with hp reduced accordingly. Ive talked to bms who can solo, and other classes asking them why they dont do it often, and they say that it takes too long and isnt worth it. ends up being like maybe hour and 30 minutes for a bm to clear to exp room, having to periodically use a sin alt to bp themselves and glitch the 2nd boss, and also they take alot of charm damage. The sin however can do it in 30 minutes, and sell for same amount for 3x the profit, and also less charm used. many sins use 2 sins they control using multiclient policy to do it even faster, with all the profit still going to 1 person. Its not the soloing that bothers me, its the speed. If it werent so fast, people would run as squads still

Lord Pugly shooting sins when they abuse their stealth soo much more awesome though!b:chuckle

Well , i've duo'd with a BM once, when i was 8x. wasnt much help, except bp and being the debuff-dummy for the Bishop boss. she had no problem with soloing the second boss, and as far as i remember, she didnt use a charm . but yeah, she was fairly quick with her fcc's. My personal problem, is the people who fcc from lvl 1 up, whether they buy them or are "given" them. it TOTALLY ruins the learning experience, and Fail players are born unto the world. I myself never fcc'd until my sin, and even then, that was at 70+, when i joined squads myself. i never bought a single exp room until 85+, when i jsut wanted to hit 90 asap. i already knew how to use my char for my own purposes =/. I actually saw a cleric solo fcc within 45 mins. don't ask me how, but i was there o.o. i've seen a wiz doing it in about the same amount of time. possibly a little more or less, but still doable. even archers * cough * can stealth now, and they can get around the 0.1 speed with Holy Path ( correct? o.o) and/or i heard they can use the sidestep skills as well. Although they will not have BP, as it doesnt work on Archers, they can still stealth and solo it, if they're good enough =/

I myself prefer to find squads, or even make my own, which is becoming harder and harder to do. especially when the New high level "FCC-babies" fail so badly.

Edit: On fiesta Online, a game i've recently started playing again, it is actually IN their ToS that they CANNOT sell or buy services,, including Powerleveling, which is, of course, ignored. but if it is screenshotted and reported ( yeah, some people really do tattle-tale ( tehe.. tattle-tale ..... im such a child sometimes)), usually leads to a temp. ban. they also put theat in their system announcments, which spams the message at least once every 30 mins or so o.o

RivenExile - Lost City

this idea is so stupid , most sins that have 5 aps / r8 still have to use a charm or alot of pots ,
the sins that have good gears / high refined wepon has , already farmed there wepon and looking for exp to get to 105 what will still take over 6 months from 101 - nearly a year .. sins also spend about 700mil to get full aps gears , and for people who spent over 1 billion for full aps gears before this rapture and canny thing, this would be so unfair to farming sins , if pwi were to do this im sure 80% of sin would quit as the game is nearly dead anyway , Thank you for hearing me outb:victory

Kyooshu - Sanctuary

RivenExile - Lost City wrote: »

this idea is so stupid , most sins that have 5 aps / r8 still have to use a charm or alot of pots ,
the sins that have good gears / high refined wepon has , already farmed there wepon and looking for exp to get to 105 what will still take over 6 months from 101 - nearly a year .. sins also spend about 700mil to get full aps gears , and for people who spent over 1 billion for full aps gears before this rapture and canny thing, this would be so unfair to farming sins , if pwi were to do this im sure 80% of sin would quit as the game is nearly dead anyway , Thank you for hearing me outb:victory

Both Gecko, and my, opinions are not that they cannot do it, but that they cannot SELL it to lower levels. FCC is not made for farming money from lower level players. it's meant for EXP. ( at least i believe that's what gecko's saying....?b:surrender)

Geckofreak - Sanctuary

Kyooshu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Both Gecko, and my, opinions are not that they cannot do it, but that they cannot SELL it to lower levels. FCC is not made for farming money from lower level players. it's meant for EXP. ( at least i believe that's what gecko's saying....?b:surrender)

Yea basically. but also its unfair that sins, a class which in pvp survives off of stealth, has the easiest way to level themselves, easy to 103 for them in fcc, and cant make 1m profit at least per run, which ends up being a ton of $, and they can do the runs faster then everyone else.

Honestly, any r8 person with decent refines could solo fcc, in 2 hours with tons of charm wasted, and r9 people can do it fast, seekers pulling everything then killing fast, or barb pulling and armaing, but the sins can do it without the gear incredibly fast, and then use it to get gear and levels faster.

Also, for archers in stealth, its .1 speed, and you cant hold path. takes 52 seconds to move as far as you would move in a second. Only way to move is leaps, which can get your 40 meters with both of them if you flip flop directions..... every 30 seconds. walking 40 meteres takes 7 seconds. Archers cant skip mobs in stealth, but if they have enough survivability, can holy path through the mobs, aggroing them all, then stealth to escape, which still is a pain, and stealth has a 2 minute cooldown.

RivenExile - Lost City

Kyooshu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Both Gecko, and my, opinions are not that they cannot do it, but that they cannot SELL it to lower levels. FCC is not made for farming money from lower level players. it's meant for EXP. ( at least i believe that's what gecko's saying....?b:surrender)

Well sins can either use the big room exp for them selfs or sell it to people that want to get to 100 quicker , its a market , its like saying make seekers not be able to solo PV , (That can also be sold) for 1mil per run x 5 , thats 5mil made in 15mins for seekers .. fcc is the only thing keeping most sins in this game and nw ofcourse

Geckofreak - Sanctuary

RivenExile - Lost City wrote: »

Well sins can either use the big room exp for them selfs or sell it to people that want to get to 100 quicker , its a market , its like saying make seekers not be able to solo PV , (That can also be sold) for 1mil per run x 5 , thats 5mil made in 15mins for seekers .. fcc is the only thing keeping most sins in this game and nw ofcourse

So your saying that having a huge advantage over all classes in something gives them the right to abuse it, and if they removed it, a feature that wasnt even in the game original, they would all leave?
your words contradict themselves. this game was initially about working together to accomplish everything, not paying others to do it for you. Assassins and seekers are also new additions to this game, and the raging tides expansion is honestly what began the downfall. The game's community used to be about comradeship, working together, not trying to 1 up everyone else.

What do clerics have that keeps them in game? Archers? Bms? Wizards? Venos? Barbs?
Nothing unique for any of them, but assassins and seekers get to abuse everyone else to make money? yup, thats very smart

Join date, Dec, 2012, Posts, 2, you joined forums just to put down this thread

thegreatconquero

Geckofreak - Sanctuary wrote: »

I know that others can, but sins just have a huge advantage in it. They can stealth through all the mobs. Thats why lord pugly will shoot them!

Just go and create sin character lol! Different class have special skills u know....

Asurzzo - Lost City

I love how everyone hates sins.... Complains about sins.... but yet, when they need something done and help... O YA its A SIN that normally helps.... so what if a sin can clear a frost fast... i have seen a bm clear a frost FASTER than a sin... so please tell me, why are you not complaining about the other toons.... Stop raging on here about sins just because you are jealous or pissed deep down. TY



Additional note...

Try playing on pvp servers and wanting to level.... SINS ARE the best thing to have around watching your back..

thegreatconquero

Are you saying that cleric can do stealth too? and can kill boss fast? maybe you ended up with a wrong character. That's why you're jealous...

Xainou - Sanctuary

Maybe if you cared about 103 that much, you should go hit that level instead of QQing and being jealous about sins here...?

Geckofreak - Sanctuary

Im not QQing about sins, im upset about the way they have removed squad aspect from game. Honestly, i would make fcc squads, but no one joins them for above lv 101, and rarely for below lv 100 too, because they convenience service is sold. Why waste 40 minutes to get to one exp room, (wasting activations if you activate on the way there so must dont do it) if you can do 4 exp rooms in that time. I could solo if i wanted too, but it would be slow, not much profit, and not very fun.

Xainou - Sanctuary

If it wasn't for sins, it would be BMs and other classes soloing FCCs. Sins just happen to be the class that can do it with the crappiest gear and skip a lot of mobs on the way. Just saying.

skaitavia

Don't kill the fishes b:surrender

Geckofreak - Sanctuary

Skaitavia wrote: »

Don't kill the fishes b:surrender

We have a pug wearing a top hat 1 shot them when they stealth!

Fishies deserve to be slightly less OPb:pleased