Why does HH still has the 4 player squad requeriment?
Kremia - Lost City
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Is well known that HH (or TT in other servers) is completely soloable now, so it doesnt make sence to still have a requeriment to open it.
At least for me is a pain to get 2 other players to help me open it (i have never multiaccounted more than 2 characters ofc b:avoid), wouldnt be awesome if gms could delete this?, maybe change from "solo and squad mode" to "easy and hard mode".
At least for me is a pain to get 2 other players to help me open it (i have never multiaccounted more than 2 characters ofc b:avoid), wouldnt be awesome if gms could delete this?, maybe change from "solo and squad mode" to "easy and hard mode".
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-Its called Squad Mode for a reason.
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Could you imagine the uproar it would cause, if they ever dropped it too 3 ???!?!?!??? ((b:shocked)) b:laughb:chuckle0
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solo mode - 1 person
Squad mode - 4 person, isnt that hard to understand b:surrender
If the instance is just turned to a "easy and hard modes" the mmorpg thing is gonna be losed and the game is gonna be called now "perfect world solonational"0 -
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_Ernesto_ - Raging Tide wrote: »solo mode - 1 person
Squad mode - 4 person, isnt that hard to understand b:surrender
If the instance is just turned to a "easy and hard modes" the mmorpg thing is gonna be losed and the game is gonna be called now "perfect world solonational"
The "squad mode" is easy enough as to solo it for most players
I did 3-1 yesterday by myself and the most difficult part was to find people to help me open it
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Kremia - Lost City wrote: »The "squad mode" is easy enough as to solo it for most players
I did 3-1 yesterday by myself and the most difficult part was to find people to help me open it
Is that too hard for you to understand?
You have a hard time to to find people to open TT...? Facepalm for you.0 -
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never!
I make 100k to open and buff people during x2.
Why you want to take my monies away?
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In stead they should nerf aps monkeys in there, let`s say cap @ 2.0 I`d enjoy the mass rage b:pleased[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=14516063001&dateline=1364756666[/SIGPIC] Ty Silvy
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You don't have any friends that would be willing to take 2 minutes out of their day to literally do nothing but stand there for a moment for you?
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Kremia - Lost City wrote: »Is well known that HH...
I stopped reading right there. Stop using terminology from an older version of this game.Proving that not only archers do math since 2009. b:victory
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As convenient as it would be to those who can solo it, it was still made for a reason.
Now that even more people can solo it being literally given gears alot faster, this could be the only reason the instance may survive a tiny bit on its market, as it may stop some from going thru the trouble of finding/paying for openers. So no, I think it should be kept, or even raised + raised difficulties in both modes on the later TTs to shoot some lost life back into it.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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No. Just... no.
It's bad enough that half the things nowadays take a **** on the concept of squadplay by being fairly easy to solo. We don't need to encourage it and the new mentality of "solo everything and **** anyone else". Plus the squad necessity is one of the only things keeping lazy people who have no friends or aren't willing to give a couple of people 50k (or whatever inconsequential amount people will pay openers) from completely trashing what remains of the TT market.0 -
No. Just... no.
It's bad enough that half the things nowadays take a **** on the concept of squadplay by being fairly easy to solo. We don't need to encourage it and the new mentality of "solo everything and **** anyone else". Plus the squad necessity is one of the only things keeping lazy people who have no friends or aren't willing to give a couple of people 50k (or whatever inconsequential amount people will pay openers) from completely trashing what remains of the TT market.
I love how idiots won't bend over the rules when obviously the GMs don't care, I didn't do such "be a goody-goody-two-shoe" ****. I payed absolutely nothing for TT and made even more profit than the way others are doing it.0 -
Kremia - Lost City wrote: »Is well known that HH (or TT in other servers)
dont know who lied to you, but in this server is called twilight temple... not hwilight hemple
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Nope, in fact I wish they'd buff the bosses like they did the BH bosses. AND make the requirements stricter so that you'd be forced to actually run with those people. Squad mode should require squads, it would make the mat prices go up if there wasn't as much supply. Right now that market is at it's bare minimal values for profit.0
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Sound like why i can't skip def pav in WS i can 1 shot stupid mobs in all pav....
I can solo every istance and for this we have to remove squad mode? If you have any problem with squad go to play on an RPG offline this is a MMO...
PS i not know if your avatar is of mystic or seeker
First case how long time take you solo 3-3..... 5 hours?
Second case try run w/o BP and cost of your charm will pass your profit.0 -
Great, OP sins still demanding stuff? Most lv 100 people cant even solo 1-1, let alone 3-x
R9/G15/16 +12 Sins can solo 3-3 if they have enough defense and practice, their soloing is killing the market for mats and you have the nerve to ask for it to be openable by 1 person?
Most of the people who can solo the 3-2/3-3 have their own cleric, barb, and bm they use to buff themselves in case of a mishap, so they have no need to even ask for buffers/openers. TT runs used to take a long time, and be a squad instance, it should become like that again.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
oVenusArmanio wrote: »Nope, in fact I wish they'd buff the bosses like they did the BH bosses. AND make the requirements stricter so that you'd be forced to actually run with those people. Squad mode should require squads, it would make the mat prices go up if there wasn't as much supply. Right now that market is at it's bare minimal values for profit.
better idea would to make a 3rd option instead of just making its so hard that no one below 100 could stand a chance..
so have save single mode, squad mode and something like a expert mode or elite mode which would have double drop rates (also increased chance of the rarest mats) but would be meant for the over powered rank9s and vana 3rd cast peoples.
i mean after the last update to tt 3-X the people that were in the range to farm there own gears all the sudden found it near impossible for a normally geared squad all thanks to high lvls complaining it was to easy b:surrender so if they are going to make TT harder yet again for the higher lvls complaining its to easy you might as well slap on a 100+ lvl requirement as well and get it over with[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Purple_fury - Sanctuary wrote: »better idea would to make a 3rd option instead of just making its so hard that no one below 100 could stand a chance..
so have save single mode, squad mode and something like a expert mode or elite mode which would have double drop rates (also increased chance of the rarest mats) but would be meant for the over powered rank9s and vana 3rd cast peoples.
i mean after the last update to tt 3-X the people that were in the range to farm there own gears all the sudden found it near impossible for a normally geared squad all thanks to high lvls complaining it was to easy b:surrender so if they are going to make TT harder yet again for the higher lvls complaining its to easy you might as well slap on a 100+ lvl requirement as well and get it over with
There are things you can do to make it harder to solo without necessarily making it impossible for an at level squad. For example, making it someone has to purge it because of some kind of healing buff. Having some bosses elemental immune and some bosses physical immune. Making it get stronger if too many auto attacks are used, things like that. Give the bosses strategies that require a team to be around for it to be successful.0 -
oVenusArmanio wrote: »There are things you can do to make it harder to solo without necessarily making it impossible for an at level squad. For example, making it someone has to purge it because of some kind of healing buff. Having some bosses elemental immune and some bosses physical immune. Making it get stronger if too many auto attacks are used, things like that.
yea but this is PW were talking about b:chuckle if the developers make a change it wouldnt be something as logical as that.. more then likely they will alter the bosses to just do crazy damage so that anyone with less then like 10k hp instantly dies lol its just safer to let them just make a new mode then to **** with the current squad mode[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I'm against this. It is squad mode for a reason and if u can solo it with an uber toon (all the more power to you) it doesnt mean the mechanic should be changed to facilitate your exploiting the instance. There's also a time limit meant to prevent consecutive runs which people get around multiclienting, should we also get rid of it because it is inconvenient to some farmers?
These mechanics are there for a reason, even if they've been overwhelmed to the point of obsolescence, but what the 4 person requirement does accomplish is to at least require the farmers to spread the wealth around a little. If I was lower level I would be running for those 50k to open offers on WC... And on the anyone can solo thing, I can't do any squad mode and I know plenty of other players still on the curve. Just because we have now become a minority doesn't mean all toons under 90 are twinks.0 -
Kremia, I was just wondering the same these last days when I saw how soloable is the TT 3-3 b:pleased
With this possibility to open without squad, everyone could do (squads or not).
If you can't solo you have to unite with more people with the same problem, and not annoy those who can solo, to help you '-.-
The squad thingy will not be lost, there are new instances now for it, which make the game fun because its not the same thing forever.0 -
Kremia - Lost City wrote: »Is well known that HH (or TT in other servers) is completely soloable now, so it doesnt make sence to still have a requeriment to open it.
At least for me is a pain to get 2 other players to help me open it (i have never multiaccounted more than 2 characters ofc b:avoid), wouldnt be awesome if gms could delete this?, maybe change from "solo and squad mode" to "easy and hard mode".
why do people still call TT HH(Holy hall) we are on the English server last i checked and if you press M on your keyboard, last i checked it said Twilight temple, i may just have forgotten how to read but eh who knows. for anyone not knowing why they call it holy hall thats because thats what the chinese translation to english is, just a typical oh they had client first we should use same names kinda thing.0 -
_Kodaijin_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »why do people still call TT HH(Holy hall) we are on the English server last i checked and if you press M on your keyboard, last i checked it said Twilight temple, i may just have forgotten how to read but eh who knows. for anyone not knowing why they call it holy hall thats because thats what the chinese translation to english is, just a typical oh they had client first we should use same names kinda thing.
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Kremia - Lost City wrote: »The "squad mode" is easy enough as to solo it for most players
I did 3-1 yesterday by myself and the most difficult part was to find people to help me open it
Is that too hard for you to understand?
Squad mode was never meant to be solo'd by one person. Back in the day a full squad even struggled to do it. Stop being a spoiled brat. If you really don't want to struggle to find openers why not pay people to open for you? Or lvl 3 toons and there problem solved. Heaven forbid that you actually have to wait for people to open for you, the nerve right?b:kisslalalala Pokemon
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Def no to eliminating squad mode, as rex said there are quite a few chars that can solo pretty much any instance (from tt to delta to warsong etc...), cant be asking to make all instances with no squad requirements...
I would agree however to make it harder...
To do so they could make it like "special" tt1
Get tt 3-3 with all the bosses from 3-1 3-2 and 3-3, and place them all at the 3-3 spots (not indivudually pullable ofc, you earthflame one all 3 come). This way you have 2-3x the drop rate and need a full squad to clear it:p
This would get teams back to the basic set up needed long ago, a team with tank, healer, and debuffers dds (and they would all be r9/3rd nirvy people:p)
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oVenusArmanio wrote: »Nope, in fact I wish they'd buff the bosses like they did the BH bosses. AND make the requirements stricter so that you'd be forced to actually run with those people. Squad mode should require squads, it would make the mat prices go up if there wasn't as much supply. Right now that market is at it's bare minimal values for profit.
As much as I loved solo'ing TTs back in the days and as much as convenient they might be, I actually agree with Venus b:surrender[SIGPIC]http://i.imgur.com/MtwcqjL.png[/SIGPIC]
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A more rational question would be why this limit is still there when it's so utterly trivial to defeat?
Now; if the instance booted you when you had less than 4 in squad (and; uh... some improvements to prevent disconnects would be nice) then it might make sense.
But '4 to open the door then you all separate' just seems silly.
And mister "I solo everything" sin? Please. You're a couple of years late to be crowing about soloing stuff. TT is a venomancer's playground
But your "Spasm, bossdead, run on" play really is ruining the game for everyone else. Even those of us who can keep up and contribute half the damage.0 -
Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
And mister "I solo everything" sin? Please. You're a couple of years late to be crowing about soloing stuff. TT is a venomancer's playground
If are talking with me can confirm i can solo every boss in game with a random of my toon but not for this is a reason for delete squad mode from TT many ppl can't solo it btw my underline was only becouse who start this topic for me not is real interested if TT is solo or squad mode but only to wish say "Hey guys i can solo TT" Someone think to be the only OP on this game there are full of OP ppl like there is who need help.
So can close this topic pointless for me.
PS can i ask to remove PAV def from WS waste only my time.....b:bye0
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