Is Pk in Secret Passage Allowed right now?

Geckofreak - Sanctuary

Update (5-22-2012)

Secret Passage has been fixed with the Imperial Fury update, so PvP inside this dungeon is allowed once again.

Known Issues
- Secret Passage is once again forced-PvP. This will be reverted in a future patch.

are we allowed to pvp in there for the meantime?

personally, i would enjoy this, a safe pk zone where i wouldnt have to get red named, but know pwi's community, the higher levels will be killing noobs uneedingly, maybe try leaving it open for awhile, but not killing noobs or people helping noobs with bosses?

Currant - Dreamweaver

Jian'rin...he's messing up everything! b:shocked

Euthymius - Heavens Tear

If I were to hazard a guess, I'd assume it would still be a "ban-able offense" like it was previously. Still, I personally dont see anything wrong with it assuming no one gets inhibited from completing their quests there.
>b:cute
Good going, Jian'rin

Geckofreak - Sanctuary

last post by frankie states it was fixed and says it is allowed, we now know it to be unfixed, but there was no announcement made stating it is disallowed again, and there was no contingency stating that if it becomes unfixxed it will be banable again, as of now i see it as allowed, but i dont want to start killing people until confirmed

Decus - Dreamweaver

Harassment/Grieving is pretty well-defined. PvP does not automatically imply harassment. I've never, ever had a problem with PvP in there and I've never been banned because I don't harass lower levels. (Not that my situation means anything, just my experience.)

ovenusarmanio

You're absolutely right, I'll ask about this. Although you might not get an answer until tomorrow at the very earliest. Until then just make sure that you aren't griefing anyone. As that is always not allowed. As of now I would maybe refrain until you hear a GM saying it's okay as the rules have been since this started that they've changed the rules during times of forced pvp. Better safe than sorry, after all. ^^ I'm sorry I don't have more of an answer than that for the time being.

Ellisandro - Archosaur

Harassment and griefing was horrible on arch. b:cry

I'd get a seeker friend to come in when i was helping guildies with silverfrost just to keep the **** sins from sneaking up and stabbing us just when we were about to get it killed. It was awesome when they'd get their bows out and start trying to pick us off too.

Don't get me wrong, it wasn't just sins doing that s**t, but their style made it all that much worse. The other bullies show their green dots and you can at least try to run past and whatnot. b:angry

v4liance

Thanks Venus for letting me know about this!

Right now, we're reevaluating the existing Secret Passage no-PK rules. I know a lot of players enjoy having a free-for-all area for PVP, but on the other hand, being forced to PK isn't necessarily fair to the players who didn't ask for it.

I would ask that in the meantime players refrain from abusing the involuntary PK of Secret Passage. Consensual PVP fighting isn't a concern, however griefing certainly is.

I'll try to have a solid answer for you guys as soon as possible.

Thanks for your patience in the mean time. ^_^;

- Val

Zenorx - Harshlands

v4liance wrote: »

I know a lot of players enjoy having a free-for-all area for PVP, but on the other hand, being forced to PK isn't necessarily fair to the players who didn't ask for it.

Just like decreased DQ item price drops aren't fair to people who didn't ask for it.

Why the **** is the arena not open in PWI anyway, wouldn't that solve a lot?

Geckofreak - Sanctuary

Zenorx - Harshlands wrote: »

Just like decreased DQ item price drops aren't fair to people who didn't ask for it.

Why the **** is the arena not open in PWI anyway, wouldn't that solve a lot?

i remember seeing frankie in game on sanc server asking players about arena shortly before V4l took over, i agree opening the arena as a free constant safe pvp instance would be great.
maybe set up a respect rule for pvp secret passage, like if you dont want to be killed, put level slogan up to show your a noob who doesnt want to be killed?

just an idea

Kremia - Lost City

I made a wiz a few days ago, is lvl 38 now and i dint had to go on secret passage even once.
When i need to make bh i'll just teleport inside, i get enough coins from the seasons guy so i dun see the problem with it :S

Sidwinder - Heavens Tear

Kremia - Lost City wrote: »

I made a wiz a few days ago, is lvl 38 now and i dint had to go on secret passage even once.
When i need to make bh i'll just teleport inside, i get enough coins from the seasons guy so i dun see the problem with it :S

Have fun killing Silverfrost for the wraiths ploy quest chain unless it's fixed by the time your that lvl.

Crystyl - Dreamweaver

v4liance wrote: »

Thanks Venus for letting me know about this!

Right now, we're reevaluating the existing Secret Passage no-PK rules. I know a lot of players enjoy having a free-for-all area for PVP, but on the other hand, being forced to PK isn't necessarily fair to the players who didn't ask for it.

I would ask that in the meantime players refrain from abusing the involuntary PK of Secret Passage. Consensual PVP fighting isn't a concern, however griefing certainly is.

I'll try to have a solid answer for you guys as soon as possible.

Thanks for your patience in the mean time. ^_^;

- Val

Secret Passage has been a sore spot for years. Patience? Players have always been able to "choose" PvP whenever they want. I "chose" a PvE server specifically so I wouldn't have to deal with them. Why do you even have to "Reevaluate" anything?

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary

Kremia - Lost City wrote: »

I made a wiz a few days ago, is lvl 38 now and i dint had to go on secret passage even once.
When i need to make bh i'll just teleport inside, i get enough coins from the seasons guy so i dun see the problem with it :S

Then you are just lucky, most people get killed when they tele in by the mobs near the entrance, the tombstone thingies and 1 aoe mob.

Selak - Dreamweaver

Crystyl - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Secret Passage has been a sore spot for years. Patience? Players have always been able to "choose" PvP whenever they want. I "chose" a PvE server specifically so I wouldn't have to deal with them. Why do you even have to "Reevaluate" anything?

This +1 from me. b:victory

mrcharlytoo

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »

Then you are just lucky, most people get killed when they tele in by the mobs near the entrance, the tombstone thingies and 1 aoe mob.

I think that's an old thing. Teleing in to Deception now takes you into a room with no mobs in it. You don't get attacked until you run up a ramp and around a corner.

I did two fb29s for people yesterday

Allisandre - Sanctuary

mrcharlytoo wrote: »

I think that's an old thing. Teleing in to Deception now takes you into a room with no mobs in it. You don't get attacked until you run up a ramp and around a corner.

I did two fb29s for people yesterday

Before you end up in that room, you end up just outside the entrance of the instance inside of Secret Passage, and in instant aggro range of two mobs. If there's a delay and you end up being there for two seconds, (which is rather normal), you will get hit by these mobs, (or by someone standing there casting Vortex/DB). If you don't have decent gear, or enough hp, they could kill you.

This is not new, it has been a feature of the game since you could illusion into the instance. It's also possible to die porting into 59 if you are unlucky enough to be squishy and it's at a time when a couple of the archer mobs are in range of the entrance. (More rare, but I've seen it happen.)

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary

Crystyl - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Secret Passage has been a sore spot for years. Patience? Players have always been able to "choose" PvP whenever they want. I "chose" a PvE server specifically so I wouldn't have to deal with them. Why do you even have to "Reevaluate" anything?

This +1

Whipporwhill - Raging Tide

There was nothing worse than going in there and immediately getting blasted by some jerk and then being told when telling them to lay off that I don't need to be in there if I don't want to get killed. How stupid is that? Find a different spot, not a needed instance for low level characters. It's sweet to go in there these days and see it empty.

Descendus - Lost City

I agree with the idea of opening the arena again, but obviously that hasn't happened so having a place to PvP in without fear of punishment is also nice. In regards to lowbies coming into the instance, and I know this is asking a lot especially from some of the people on the Lost City server, Show some self control... If there is someone in there who obviously is not a threat to you, I.E. Low level obviously going into the Hall of Deception or questing there, leave them be and, oh I dunno, pick on someone your own level maybe?...b:bye

Toomaga - Heavens Tear

Descendus - Lost City wrote: »

I agree with the idea of opening the arena again, but obviously that hasn't happened so having a place to PvP in without fear of punishment is also nice. In regards to lowbies coming into the instance, and I know this is asking a lot especially from some of the people on the Lost City server, Show some self control... If there is someone in there who obviously is not a threat to you, I.E. Low level obviously going into the Hall of Deception or questing there, leave them be and, oh I dunno, pick on someone your own level maybe?...b:bye

I do agree to having a 24/7 open non punishable PvP area for most, but again the issue is people that go in there requiring quest. All PWI has to do is literally move the mobs and boss to another area if they want to use as minimal work as possible to change it. As for picking on people your own level, that wont happen so easily because some just find amusement in utterly defeating an under geared defenseless level 20-50+ for whatever reason.

I can say for sure say most peoples behavior is a reflection of who they are on the inside in real life.After all, they have the 'protection' of their computer screen so to speak.

Whipporwhill - Raging Tide

Show some self control... If there is someone in there who obviously is not a threat to you, I.E. Low level obviously going into the Hall of Deception or questing there, leave them be and, oh I dunno, pick on someone your own level maybe?

Nicely said.

ponyduck

Yes, nicely said . . . AND a wonderful sentiment, but . . .

WE ALL KNOW THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN IN A MILLION YEARS!

The people with enough basic sensitivity to grasp and adhere to this idea,
would not be pk'ing low-levels in SP to begin with. Like Toomaga posted:

As for picking on people your own level, that wont happen so easily
because some just find amusement in utterly defeating an under geared
defenseless level 20-50+ for whatever reason."

Boots_Elf - Sanctuary

While Gecko's sentiment would be nice across the board. Leave the noobs and people helping them alone. There will be and are those idjiots who just dont care. There have been several times I have tried to help lower level friends and alts in Secret passage to get say.. Shade Eido or Silver Frost.. AND ANNOUNCED before going in.. please let them pass they are doing a quest.. to be told.. F you.. too bad.. and get killed... And after being killed several times and SSing it and sending in for grieving.. nothing happens.. so they dont care.

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary

Yeah no matter how many good guys there are around, a single jerk parked there its more than enough to prevent anyone who needs to get there for *PvE* reasons.

Its just a nonsense in a PvE Server,make an arena if you want to PvP,or hit the damn PvP button.

Star_Prism - Archosaur

I was in SP today because I wanted to get the quest out of the way. I thought at 4am it would be save... I was wrong.

My level 40 Veno got knocked off by an R8

I know he was R8 because the person I was in squad with to help me kill the boss checked his armor. Though perhaps I should be thankful he was considerate enough to wait just long enough for me to get the boss kill *insert sarcasm here* (seriously two seconds sooner and we would of had to do it all over again).

I figure it just means that he is a majorly fail player that can only kill someone who is 60 levels lower than him. And he better hope in the future he is never in a squad with my cleric, because guess who won't get healed.

So as a word of advice to anyone who is thinking of going into SP and getting their jollies. Remember there is a good chance the lowbie you just killed has a high level main that you know nothing about and vengeance is very sweet.

DeadRaven - Sanctuary

Crystyl - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Secret Passage has been a sore spot for years. Patience? Players have always been able to "choose" PvP whenever they want. I "chose" a PvE server specifically so I wouldn't have to deal with them. Why do you even have to "Reevaluate" anything?

+1 Exactly!

Descendus - Lost City wrote: »

I agree with the idea of opening the arena again, but obviously that hasn't happened so having a place to PvP in without fear of punishment is also nice. In regards to lowbies coming into the instance, and I know this is asking a lot especially from some of the people on the Lost City server, Show some self control... If there is someone in there who obviously is not a threat to you, I.E. Low level obviously going into the Hall of Deception or questing there, leave them be and, oh I dunno, pick on someone your own level maybe?...b:bye

I honestly wish that the community would be capable of showing such self-control, but unfortunately, I think we all know intuitively that this is not a viable option. If we have learned anything over the years playing this game, jerks can ALWAYS be found in abundance - sad as it is. Besides, players proved that self-control was not a viable option last time this happened. I totally support the idea of having a safe instance for some random pk but opening SP is not the answer.

Geckofreak - Sanctuary

yea, people on this game are jerks. heres a few more solutions though, make 2 versions of sp, a pvp version and a pve version. moving the mobs outside is also an option, as previously stated. cant count on people being nice anymore in this game

BigBowmans - Archosaur

Are there some rude people what in the heck is a level 100 doing in secret passage killing small player? I guess this quest is dead means some chators will not be able to grow and do the things that is needed for questing.

If i wanted to PVP i would click the button BUT I DON'T who ever planed this type of play is just being obnoxius. I went in with a lvl 35 healer got killed right away so you keep it in the game.

I can go do something else in a game were i do not have to put up with this type of play get it right or my accounts will be just gone.

Do you not know THAT folks can go PVP if they choose to do that so I am punshied because i do not want to pvp i am more intrested in the story line. GET a Grip make the change and punish those wo choose not to follow rules. When you think of it how darn silly can you get???? b:dirtyb:angry

BigBowmans - Archosaur

v4liance wrote: »

Thanks Venus for letting me know about this!

Right now, we're reevaluating the existing Secret Passage no-PK rules. I know a lot of players enjoy having a free-for-all area for PVP, but on the other hand, being forced to PK isn't necessarily fair to the players who didn't ask for it.

I would ask that in the meantime players refrain from abusing the involuntary PK of Secret Passage. Consensual PVP fighting isn't a concern, however griefing certainly is.

I'll try to have a solid answer for you guys as soon as possible.

Thanks for your patience in the mean time. ^_^;

- Val

How can folks move forward playing the gme if you ca not do the quest because some knuckle head kills you right away.. Your Kidding right?

Tide_Surfer - Archosaur

Is this bannable or not now?