Frostblade Question

Nakarasha - Raging Tide

As a BM making a wizzy, a question peaked my mind...Frostblade adds water damage based on whatever percent of the casters base magic attack...so I started thinking.

If a wizzy were to spark and then cast the buff, would the magic damage added to the targets weapon also be significantly increased? If so, since my wiz is on a different account, I may be able to bring hell to many HA classes >:D

Saethos - Raging Tide

I know it's not important to say this but I totally posted that from the wrong account XD This was me asking the question

truekossy

Frostblade doesn't work like that.

It's a percent based on the target's weapon attack. Hence, why a level 101 R9+12 can't triple spark, buff a level 1 BM, and watch the BM suddenly start 1-shotting everything. Consider it a weaker version of DBB that doesn't require sparks for a better understanding.

Vindis - Dreamweaver

Think of it more akin to an archer's Blazing arrow or a barb's Poison Fang. Passive elemental attack add on. Static damage based off of your weapon attack.

That makes me curious how much frostblade's added damage would fluctuate on a bm that switched weapons...

truekossy

Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Think of it more akin to an archer's Blazing arrow or a barb's Poison Fang. Passive elemental attack add on. Static damage based off of your weapon attack.

That makes me curious how much frostblade's added damage would fluctuate on a bm that switched weapons...

DBB is kinda the same but shorter duration and 2 spark cost. XD



As for your question... well... depends on the weapons. It'd be comparable to an archer going from bow to fists, kinda (my old GVs had about 300ish raw damage from frostblade on the phys immune stones in Warsong but it'd jump up a good little bit when I used bow).

Lialan - Raging Tide

The answer is actually already written in skill description.
It says the buff will add WT damage based on wizard's Base mAtk.

Base mAtk (or Base pAtk, for that matter) is the number shown in your "C" screen with no gear worn and with no buffs. This is why R9 Wiz won't make Lv1 BM one-shot his level mobs.
Spark on the other hand, buffs you temporarily to add to your attack damage. Hence, no effect on Frostblade at all.

PS - when it says "Weapon attack" it refers to the number shown in your "C" screen with ALL your gear worn, but with no buffs. And when it only says "Magic Attack" it means gear AND buffs are included. Note that no buffs or heals work with anything butt "Base atk".

Please check terminology guide on PWiki page.

Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »

That makes me curious how much frostblade's added damage would fluctuate on a bm that switched weapons...

Frostblade is buff which like all other buffs comes into damage equasion after weapon. So no matter what weapon BM wares, Frostblade will be adding it's own number to equasion which is based on Wizard's stats...
Again, check PWiki "Damage" page.

Adroit - Lost City

Lialan - Raging Tide wrote: »

The answer is actually already written in skill description.
It says the buff will add WT damage based on wizard's Base mAtk.

Base mAtk (or Base pAtk, for that matter) is the number shown in your "C" screen with no gear worn and with no buffs. This is why R9 Wiz won't make Lv1 BM one-shot his level mobs.
Spark on the other hand, buffs you temporarily to add to your attack damage. Hence, no effect on Frostblade at all.

PS - when it says "Weapon attack" it refers to the number shown in your "C" screen with ALL your gear worn, but with no buffs. And when it only says "Magic Attack" it means gear AND buffs are included. Note that no buffs or heals work with anything butt "Base atk".

Please check terminology guide on PWiki page.

Way off. Base magic attack is your magic attack in the "C" screen when you are unbuffed (with gear on), magic attack is the same thing with buffs. Frostblade adds damage based on the magic attack of the person buffed, which is why sparking on the wiz has no effect.. and why putting frost blade on a lvl 1 bm doesn't make them OP (lvl 1 bms have very little magic attack). The skill descriptions in PWI are terrible, if you really want to know how a skill works you'll need to test it on your own.

truekossy

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Way off. Base magic attack is your magic attack in the "C" screen when you are unbuffed (with gear on), magic attack is the same thing with buffs. Frostblade adds damage based on the magic attack of the person buffed, which is why sparking on the wiz has no effect.. and why putting frost blade on a lvl 1 bm doesn't make them OP (lvl 1 bms have very little magic attack). The skill descriptions in PWI are terrible, if you really want to know how a skill works you'll need to test it on your own.

Actually... it's based off their weapon attack and magic attack has absolutely nothing to do with frostblade.

Put frostblade on someone with +12 fists or whatever and have them punch someone who's expelled or a phys immune mob. They'll be doing more than 1 damage because it's not related to magic attack at all. It's a poor localization just like how archers supposedly have an 8 second long 1 spark stun in the form of Aim Low, among many other poorly translated/worded skills here.

Adroit - Lost City

truekossy wrote: »

Actually... it's based off their weapon attack and magic attack has absolutely nothing to do with frostblade.

Put frostblade on someone with +12 fists or whatever and have them punch someone who's expelled or a phys immune mob. They'll be doing more than 1 damage because it's not related to magic attack at all. It's a poor localization just like how archers supposedly have an 8 second long 1 spark stun in the form of Aim Low, among many other poorly translated/worded skills here.

You might be right, I honestly didn't really care much to test it. After I found out that it was almost useless for low levels and that I couldn't boost it by sparking or anything, I moved on to whatever else I was curious about at the time.

truekossy

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

You might be right, I honestly didn't really care much to test it. After I found out that it was almost useless for low levels and that I couldn't boost it by sparking or anything, I moved on to whatever else I was curious about at the time.

I know the feeling. I used to enjoy thinking of buffing a level 1 BM with a triple sparked frostblade just to have it go around 1-shotting mobs (or even players) far above its level.

But, alas, the game's mechanics told me to quit being delusional. b:surrender

Vindis - Dreamweaver

I'm pretty sure we solved the frostblade formula numerous times already, but I cannot find what I was looking for with the search function. I recall a thread where it was decided that weapons with bigger spikes (Bows, Axes, etc) benefit more from Frostblade and buffs like Blazing Arrow/Poison Fang than a weapon with a small weapon attack would (fists, Wands/other magic weps melee attacks).

Frostblade should add similar dps output compared to Blazing Arrow, but in the form of water damage instead of fire. The % is similar already as well (I think Sage Frostblade is 40% offhand? Sage Blazing is 60%, but I think Demon is 50%? I think Demon Frostblade is also 50%? This could be tested quite easily by a Demon archer and demon wizard on phys immune mobs, first with Frostblade then with Blazing; I theorize it would yield similar damage. Sadly I only have access to a Sage Wiz and Archer). I might edit this later to add numerical values if I get around to testing them.

The added damage is rather apparent to me, but most people don't have access to squads with their wizard brother for 90%+ of the game.

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

I believe some archers established that Blazing Arrow (and thus probably also frostblade and poison fang) adds a static number to each hit.

This number was the avarage from your weapon (only weapon) attack, including garnets but excluding rings, and the % mentioned of that.

So if you had a weapon with 1000-2000 damage, frostblade (30%) would add 450 water damage

Vindis - Dreamweaver

Yeah I think I just found that thread. There was definitely another one, with more specific numbers relating to frostblade, specifially average % dps increases for different classes/weapon types and squad dps as a whole, but as I said I cannot find it:

Oh Blazing Arrow Demistified courtesy of Asterelle ofc