G16 or R9?

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i just did some calculations comparing BM's full set g16 and BM's full set r9. is it just me or does the g16 one looks better?(and waayyy cheaper too)

G16
http://pwcalc.com/320d2b0be5d83e1c




Rank 9
http://pwcalc.com/d906d8bcec76b36f

Discuss.

Zarkin_Baxil - Raging Tide

Well G16 refines better than r9 and as better base stats (I think). The weapon misses out on GoF but the 40 attack levels are nice. If you are never going to go r9r then G16 would be better for you. From what I remember the hierarchy of gear is r9, G16, r9r, r9r2 in that order.

Sjuggs - Lost City

Get full g16 nv set and r9 axes with belt, that is the best combo imo

Jaabg - Sanctuary

In future, please adjust the variables to make them more believable.

G16 gear adjusted

I nerfed weapon, because unless you have the weapon with those exact stats, the build is pointless.

If you compare the two builds now, they are close.

R9 higher hp, higher accuracy, higher crit rate, higher attack lvls and higher def lvls (especially if you switch to o'malley)

Unless you have that gear with those stats and want to compare, that is fine, if it is a theoretical discussion than it is pointless. Tweaks can be done to make either version come out on top.

R9 Tweaked

Maelael - Heavens Tear

Okay PWI's server is being wonky and eating my replies, so lets try for a second time.


FYI, only the weapon refines better. HP is the same.

Old outdated post: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1380861

R9 is better - Even if it had less everything, the zerk alone makes it better.

You also should use average stats for N3: (Edit: Get outta my head Jaabg)

http://pwcalc.com/4a0bbabc97bdec9e

R9:

http://pwcalc.com/a33f1f41cb6369bb

N3/R9 Combo:

http://pwcalc.com/8eb6f7bfdb662598



In comparison of R9 vs N3 (G16):

R9 has more HP (even at 3 sockets, more HP)
R9 has 3 more attack levels (~500 damage)
R9 has 9 more defense levels (Better than 1.4k of either defense)
R9 has better accuracy
R9 has 4 more crit
R9 has zerk
R9 has automatic 4 sockets

N3 has 1.4k better Pdef (not a big deal)
N3 has 1.2k better Mdef (mostly due to belt and +%)
N3 hits for about 800ish more base damage
N3 can cost 50-60% less.


But lets try and defend N3's stats and give it zerk with R9:

R9 has more HP (even at 3 sockets, more HP)
R9 has 10 more attack levels (~1650 damage)
R9 has 6 more crit
R9 has automatic 4 sockets

N3/R9 has 5 more Defense levels
N3/R9 has 4k more Pdef
N3/R9 has 800 more Mdef
N3/R9 hits for about 900 more base damage.

I'd say N3/R9 combo will tank better even with the 1.5kish HP difference, but not by enough to offset the loss of 6 crit and 10 attack levels (yuck).

R9r2 stuff is so expensive but so awesome I'm not even gonna mention it in comparison.

_Nottunyx_ - Heavens Tear

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Okay PWI's server is being wonky and eating my replies, so lets try for a second time.


FYI, only the weapon refines better. HP is the same.

Old outdated post: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1380861

R9 is better - Even if it had less everything, the zerk alone makes it better.

You also should use average stats for N3: (Edit: Get outta my head Jaabg)

http://pwcalc.com/4a0bbabc97bdec9e

R9:

http://pwcalc.com/a33f1f41cb6369bb

N3/R9 Combo:

http://pwcalc.com/8eb6f7bfdb662598



In comparison of R9 vs N3 (G16):

R9 has more HP (even at 3 sockets, more HP)
R9 has 3 more attack levels (~500 damage)
R9 has 9 more defense levels (Better than 1.4k of either defense)
R9 has better accuracy
R9 has 4 more crit
R9 has zerk
R9 has automatic 4 sockets

N3 has 1.4k better Pdef (not a big deal)
N3 has 1.2k better Mdef (mostly due to belt and +%)
N3 hits for about 800ish more base damage
N3 can cost 50-60% less.


But lets try and defend N3's stats and give it zerk with R9:

R9 has more HP (even at 3 sockets, more HP)
R9 has 10 more attack levels (~1650 damage)
R9 has 6 more crit
R9 has automatic 4 sockets

N3/R9 has 5 more Defense levels
N3/R9 has 4k more Pdef
N3/R9 has 800 more Mdef
N3/R9 hits for about 900 more base damage.

I'd say N3/R9 combo will tank better even with the 1.5kish HP difference, but not by enough to offset the loss of 6 crit and 10 attack levels (yuck).

R9r2 stuff is so expensive but so awesome I'm not even gonna mention it in comparison.

I agree with Mal
b:victory


tbh rank 9 are in par with 3rd recast nirvy/g16 full set (if not slightly better). what makes the difference is the zerk b:pleased i dont know about you but i'd rather have chance to hit super mega hard once in several hit than constantly dealing "good" damage without chance to zerk. b:surrender

but i agree with the poster's part about the price, g16 are indeed cheaper (500-600 m ish?) than r9, especially if you be patient and farm it yourself b:laugh

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »

In future, please adjust the variables to make them more believable.

I wouldn't say those stats are unbelievable honestly. They're not ideal, but they are good.

In addition he left the gear with almost minimum stats, with only +4% defense on each piece of G16. It can be +4-10 so lets say you aim for +8%. Now you have r9 with 1600 pdef more, and 750 more mdef.

Also, comparing r9 vs r8 ring isn't fair. And an attendance ring? Higher refining rings favor the higher multiplier G16 set. Can stack that in favor of G16. And he used 2 less sockets for G16 since they don't always come out 4 sockets like R9.

...Then he selected barb buff for only G16, lol. And Demon Bells +75% bonus is active.

So, cleric buffs will help R9 catch up defensively since it doesn't multiply the +x% phys/magic defense. Rank gear has a notoriously low refine rate which is why you see G16 winning at higher refines. This also shows what I've been saying. For HA gears high defenses vitality stones are actually becoming a better choice than JoSD because they multiply defenses. The higher the defense the more +10 vit does, but the higher the defense the less is leftover for def levels to reduce. At G15 Vana JoSD were still better. With G16 vana it really is a push, more def vs more def levels. When you opponent has 100+ attack levels I'd prefer the defense.

But you are comparing a first tier vs a third tier.

Maelael, you only +7'd the cape. You changed belt back to a G14. You gave only +3 sockets to all gear when getting 4 socket G16 is not as difficult as people think, I'd consider 2/6 pieces 4 socket reasonable. And you removed all adds from the axe? Also, demon bell is active.

Jaabg - Sanctuary

Sakubatou - Those are the default stats that get entered in pwcalc when you put in N3 into it. I always have to tweak it around to match the gear that i make/see/use for fun, so find it annoying to have to change every single stat every time in pwcalc b:sad. On average they may seem fine as they are by default, but often times people reroll, things change, and depending on how the numbers go, can make a difference.

Maelael - *starts an epic orchestra theme in Maelael head b:victory*

Maelael - Heavens Tear

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Maelael, you only +7'd the cape. You changed belt back to a G14. You gave only +3 sockets to all gear when getting 4 socket G16 is not as difficult as people think, I'd consider 2/6 pieces 4 socket reasonable. And you removed all adds from the axe? Also, demon bell is active.

I just used his, I didnt notice the demon bell...but the pdef diff stays the same.

10% chance of 4 socket - 80% chance of 3 socket - 10% chance of 2 socket. At best Id consider 1/6 reasonable...I barely see people with better. Really, I just went with average. I'm not joking when I say Ive been a part of making or rerolling nearly 100 times now, and 75% of my faction has at least 1 piece or way more pieces of N3. 4 Sockets is not common - its usually take 4 sockets or good adds.

Sure, if you want to spend more than R9 costs you could get mostly 4 sockets and really good adds...but then I question your sanity, intelligence, or credit card bill.

I killed the adds on the axe cause I left the axe at 2 sockets with garnets. Which easily makes up for any realistic/average adds someone might get.

I changed the belt back to 1st stage Warsong to show a more similar build (and price!) comparatively. Whoops on the cape (again was using his version), but funny enough you still end up with more HP on the R9 version.

Regardless, you still end up with the same +'s/-'s between the two sets, and zerk alone blows anything N3 can do outta the water. If I have some time later I'll max stat a N3 set and still show R9 coming out on top (Mostly due to zerk...)

Edit: Stuck on intergalactic hold at work:

http://pwcalc.com/cea2cc8fed08b4b2

http://pwcalc.com/1f2d4c523e68402d

Would you trade 2k damage for Zerk and 5 crit?
Would you trade 400hp, 3-5k pdef (at that level) and 2.1k mdef for 9 Def levels? (Could close that down to 7 def levels with 2nd stage Warsong Belt)

And if you would not trade that, and want the N3 set...would you be okay with it if it cost the same, or 50% more?

I_am_noob - Dreamweaver

rank gear is main reason why people use real money in this game....so it is no wonder it is superior gear....ofc g16 is great and a lot cheeper but real question is r9 so much bether to spend 2x more money to get it...well i dont think so...meny would say i am wrong but hey if any r9 i would pick it would be just axe and still go g16 on rest for reason it is tradeable if anythingb:laugh

Maelael - Heavens Tear

I_am_noob - Dreamweaver wrote: »

rank gear is main reason why people use real money in this game....so it is no wonder it is superior gear....ofc g16 is great and a lot cheeper but real question is r9 so much bether to spend 2x more money to get it...well i dont think so...meny would say i am wrong but hey if any r9 i would pick it would be just axe and still go g16 on rest for reason it is tradeable if anythingb:laugh

It is...it's so worth the 2x money. It's worth 3x money. Just the weapon alone is worth it.

And given the countless people I know with R9 who haven't even dropped $10 at this game...charging gold is just the easy/fast way. It's doable. 2.3b (1.6bish on 20% sale) is completely attainable, just takes effort and time.

But lets compare:

Saying you got good stats first roll:

30 Badges x6 = 30 Warsong Runs, or about 45 hours of work (at least). At 5m an hour FF sells, that's 225m

60 more badges = 10 Warsong runs, 15 hours - another 75m.

I priced out during 2x, 125m for TT armor.

250*1.5 = 375m
1535*.3 = 460.5

Assuming each EoD is 3m, and EoO is 6m: 24m.

So were at: 1.284b. So in other words, if you sold FFs instead of Warsonged, and sold all those cannies and raps you farmed, even taking out the essenences you've got 1.2b really. On really good sales, thats actually only about 400m short of R9. Skycover+Warsong Belt costs about the same as N3 Hat and Cape.

400m is like a full weekend during 2x. Thats nothing.

So really if you're willing to be patient: 400m more gets you Zerk, 5 Crit.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

I may someday aim for the R9 weapon but probably never the whole set unless I decide r9r or r9t3 is in my future. I may even aim for r9t3 chest and r9t3 belt, along with the weapon.

For now I just want 2 pieces G16 because then I'll have substantially higher defenses and I'll be able to keep 5 aps with just a weapon swap.

Morridune - Raging Tide

tbh if your going to post a build and ask ppls opinion dont do nabby things like put buffs on, BM's strengths demon or sage are 1 solo play-not often more than self buffed mostly just BP and 2 TW were lets face lots of veno's run about purging- if they know their job

at most i'd only put self buffs on a build u rly wanna know how it stands tho leave unbuffed with refines/shards your reallisticly going to get that way wen making a thread to compare there is no chance of forgetting to buff 1 as well as the other

_Nottunyx_ - Heavens Tear

Currently, this is the best build you can get atm, it combines the goodness of both worlds (both r9 and g16)

http://pwcalc.com/e224f1c5949dabd0


also i found out that this build is very,very cheap and easy to get and it does about 2x better than the build i put above

http://pwcalc.com/c351d65c95a96d45