Morai Wep Vs R8

geochris

I currently have a lv101 R8 veno. I was looking at trying to upgrade my wep. R8 recast is a little too expensive for me. So I was looking at the Morai wep from Shroud.

How good is the Morai G15 wep Vs the veno's R8. I know the pet heal won't be as good but how about the damage against '?' bosses, like the ones in Caster and TT. Thanks.

truekossy

In PvE, Morai weapons are comparable to standalone R9 weapons (full set would give more damage obviously). So it can easily replace your rank weapon outside of the pet heals... Which won't matter when you get to the point where you heal pet to full each cast.

geochris

Even with the '?' bosses. I heard that the morai wepons have lower damage agenst them because they are technically vl150.

truekossy

geochris wrote: »

Even with the '?' bosses. I heard that the morai wepons have lower damage agenst them because they are technically vl150.

Long story short, it's not like that.

Long story long; http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Damage#Slaying_Levels_and_Warding_Levels

geochris

Thanks, that helped a bunch.

Morai G15 here I come

Desdi - Sanctuary

Morai G15 is generally a great and cheap alternative endgame gear for PvE. It works best on PvE server though for the obvious reasons.

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

About the pet heal, while it won't go up much, Morai G15 base damage (which is for the heal part) is still more than good enough

About the lvl ?, warding levels are based on the enemy's level. Slaying levels are not

Desdi - Sanctuary

Speaking of pet heal, unless you are planning to solo TT (or other things) heavily with a Hercules or something Morai G15's base magic attack is good enough for pet heals.

Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear

geochris wrote: »

I currently have a lv101 R8 veno. I was looking at trying to upgrade my wep. R8 recast is a little too expensive for me. So I was looking at the Morai wep from Shroud.

How good is the Morai G15 wep Vs the veno's R8. I know the pet heal won't be as good but how about the damage against '?' bosses, like the ones in Caster and TT. Thanks.

Damage Boost from R8 to Morai G15: is roughly 22% (on any boss or mob)

Raw damage Comparison under reasonable assumptions:
G15: 17,393
R8: 14,218

[Both refine+7, 2 perfect sapphire, 450 magic stats,total ring damage of 200, lvl11 venomous scarab]
(note that the damage difference increases slightly on higher refines as well as when using harder hitting spells)

Just make sure that when you get the weapon, reform till you get 2 socket, and reshape till u r happy with the random stats addons (it's easy and cheap to reform/reshape)

akosireann

Reality check: Not many people will accept a Morai wep caster in caster nirvy ijs

Though i see a lot of seekers with Morai 101 getting in, Morai caster weps just not sit well on caster

/inb4rantagainstelitists

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

akosireann wrote: »

Reality check: Not many people will accept a Morai wep caster in caster nirvy ijs

Though i see a lot of seekers with Morai 101 getting in, Morai caster weps just not sit well on caster

/inb4rantagainstelitists

Reality check: You don't want to run with those people anyway

akosireann

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Reality check: You don't want to run with those people anyway

Reality check: you will have a small circle to run around then.

To the OP, sadly this is the time where weapon linking is automatic for most squads. (esp here in RT, especially in caster nirvy). Your wep should be opening opportunities for you to farm as well. Why waste 17m on a dead end wep which may not get you squad invites? If you are serious about farming in caster nirvy or in full warsong you will need a R8 wep minimum to get into good squads. Yes your Morai 101 may have damage rivaling R9 weps but most squads don't see that. If you really need a Morai 101 wep then it's your choice, but for serious farm squads they see it as shortchanging them.

Sometimes it's best to see also how your server thinks about people with Morai weps, better scan the waters first before throwing away 17m on a wep that may lead you to not getting invites.

Desdi - Sanctuary

I suppose it also depends on the server.
My Psychic has G13 Morai soulsphere at the moment (farming G15 one in the meantime) and I get to caster with no issues.

I usually run with friends but if I happen to run with a wc squad I usually join those that simply ask for a Psychic. Also, I'm seeing more and more caster nirvana squads not asking for a weapon link on Sanctuary.
I don't join wc squads too often though...I think a faction is more or less enough if there are people who do caster nirvana there on a regular basis.

Besides, since you already have R8 you can just link that I suppose and then use Morai weapon in caster as it deals more damage. If they ask you, you can nicely explain to them the reasons.
The other option is to farm G16 Nirvana. It may take time but it's 100% farmable.

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

akosireann wrote: »

Reality check: you will have a small circle to run around then.

Ever heard of a faction?

Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear

akosireann wrote: »

Reality check: you will have a small circle to run around then.

To the OP, sadly this is the time where weapon linking is automatic for most squads. (esp here in RT, especially in caster nirvy). Your wep should be opening opportunities for you to farm as well. Why waste 17m on a dead end wep which may not get you squad invites? If you are serious about farming in caster nirvy or in full warsong you will need a R8 wep minimum to get into good squads. Yes your Morai 101 may have damage rivaling R9 weps but most squads don't see that. If you really need a Morai 101 wep then it's your choice, but for serious farm squads they see it as shortchanging them.

Sometimes it's best to see also how your server thinks about people with Morai weps, better scan the waters first before throwing away 17m on a wep that may lead you to not getting invites.

I wonder who is the one who really needs a 'reality check' b:infuriated

Euthymius - Heavens Tear

akosireann wrote: »

Yes your Morai 101 may have damage rivaling R9 weps but most squads don't see that. If you really need a Morai 101 wep then it's your choice, but for serious farm squads they see it as shortchanging them.

Sometimes it's best to see also how your server thinks about people with Morai weps, better scan the waters first before throwing away 17m on a wep that may lead you to not getting invites.

>Wields a weapon that is stronger than R8
>Deemed unworthy of farming parties for not using R8

Really?
I only hope that sort of ignorance is not widespread there...Ive yet to be denied a squad for anything because I used a Morai weapon.

augustfinknottle

Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Ive yet to be denied a squad for anything because I used a Morai weapon.

I don't use morai weapons on any toon, but have been in squads with people using them many times. Never seen anyone refuse them. Whoever denies someone with Morai G15 for an instance is most likely stupid and not really OP. OP people have a clue and will know morai G15 outperforms R8 and run with them, or refuse them because they're just not OP enough (not like R9, for instance), but then they would refuse the R8s as well.

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

augustfinknottle wrote: »

I don't use morai weapons on any toon, but have been in squads with people using them many times. Never seen anyone refuse them. Whoever denies someone with Morai G15 for an instance is most likely stupid and not really OP. OP people have a clue and will know morai G15 outperforms R8 and run with them, or refuse them because they're just not OP enough (not like R9, for instance), but then they would refuse the R8s as well.

Wich would be funny because G15 morai is on par with R9 weapon for casters (weapon only)

augustfinknottle

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Wich would be funny because G15 morai is on par with R9 weapon for casters (weapon only)

But usually not as well refined/sharded, and set bonus from full r9 makes it better. That's why I said "really OP people", not just R9+5/+7. I don't think there are people willing to +12 their G15 morai weapons, but I could be wrong, ofc.

Desdi - Sanctuary

A simple +6 or even +7 for the lucky ones shouldn't be too hard to acquire though and there's plenty of R8 +7 out there too. I think that refine is pretty fine. Not sure about the +10 or more but I already know two Psychics who have +6 and +7 Morai weapon.

sellers

derp

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Azura - Lost City

Enchanted Edge: Sky, the g15 weapon from Shroud is really good.

My veno is full r9 with +10 weapon, vitality build, and I have a mage (full magic build) with Enchanted edge, sky, +10 too. Hit by hit, my mage out damages my veno (this one) by a little bit, but the total dd from my mage is a lot better than my veno's because my mage has a lot less channeling time.

I also tested it against a r9 wizard with +10 weapon too. On a mob I was doing 31k, and the r9 wizard 41k, but again, my channel is a lot less than any full r9, so probably the dd is very close. If my wizard had a r9 ring, just to increase the magic attack, I think it would deal the same damage than a r9 wizard, on mobs.

I farmed and refined that weapon without knowing if it would be worth. I thought that the weapon would be better than r8, only. But, the results were much better than I imagined. Its power is very close to r9. The best part of all is that this weapon only costs 17m, and r9 costs almost 800m, lol.

Imo, enchanted edge: sky is a great weapon for farming casters. Anyone who is low on money should get it.

akosireann

Azura - Lost City wrote: »

Imo, enchanted edge: sky is a great weapon for farming casters. Anyone who is low on money should get it.

You my dear will cry rocks when you bring your Morai 101 wep in ANY caster squad in RT ijs.

Forum ideals don't always translate into server realities

augustfinknottle

akosireann wrote: »

You my dear will cry rocks when you bring your Morai 101 wep in ANY caster squad in RT ijs.

Forum ideals don't always translate into server realities

Everyone I see saying they don't get people with morai weapons in their squads are from RT. Thank God Azura plays on Lost City, so she won't cry rocks because she probably couldn't give a foock about it (even if it's a PvP server, if you're only using it as a farming alt youll be welcome there anyway). In Dreamweaver, where I play, people with morai weapons are very welcome to most squads as well.

With some faith the noobs from RT will eventually realize that G15 Morai FAR OUTPERFORMS R8 weapons.

Also, I hope it's not just me who has friends to run instances with, and who couldn't care less about my weapon.

Desdi - Sanctuary

akosireann wrote: »

You my dear will cry rocks when you bring your Morai 101 wep in ANY caster squad in RT ijs.

Forum ideals don't always translate into server realities

That's more of a reason to fight against it in my opinion.
Remember when fist BMs were laughed at? Remember when Sage sins were laughed at?

Besides, random squads for Caster isn't your best option. Go join a faction, make some friends and go do Caster. If your faction or friends refuse to understand that Morai weapon is good and refuse to take you because "lol fail morai gear" then they are not worth your time. Get a new faction then and stop calling those people "friends" because they aren't.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

akosireann wrote: »

You my dear will cry rocks when you bring your Morai 101 wep in ANY caster squad in RT ijs.

Forum ideals don't always translate into server realities

Kinda the same thing on HL, if you link a Morai weap, people will think you troll and not even answer.

Majority of people don't come on the forum so even if we prove that Morai is better than R8, majority of people wont see it.

akosireann

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Besides, random squads for Caster isn't your best option. Go join a faction, make some friends and go do Caster. If your faction or friends refuse to understand that Morai weapon is good and refuse to take you because "lol fail morai gear" then they are not worth your time. Get a new faction then and stop calling those people "friends" because they aren't.

What if your friends in your faction just got fed up of you cause it seems you can't run with anyone else? This happened to me and it's one of the reasons I tell them to go get the R8 gears as soon as possible. My charities can only be extended to a certain degree. I'm not always around to take them to caster when the rest of the server and some people in ther fl refuses them for their gears. Worse some of them are stuck like leeches and seems to only like to run with you. R8 gives them independence in my server. They don't become leeches and beg around in my fac for nirv runs. They can join or start runs without being rejected. They don't become a burden for their better geared fac mates. It really saddened me when a fac mate got dumped by the own squad she started when they saw her morai 101 wep and she was not even requesting r8 or more.

R8 opens a lot more doors in my server, whether I like it or not. And looking at Bella's post , seems that an older server has noobs like mine in RT as well

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

akosireann wrote: »

What if your friends in your faction just got fed up of you cause it seems you can't run with anyone else? This happened to me and it's one of the reasons I tell them to go get the R8 gears as soon as possible. My charities can only be extended to a certain degree. I'm not always around to take them to caster when the rest of the server and some people in ther fl refuses them for their gears. Worse some of them are stuck like leeches and seems to only like to run with you. R8 gives them independence in my server. They don't become leeches and beg around in my fac for nirv runs. They can join or start runs without being rejected. They don't become a burden for their better geared fac mates. It really saddened me when a fac mate got dumped by the own squad she started when they saw her morai 101 wep and she was not even requesting r8 or more.

R8 opens a lot more doors in my server, whether I like it or not. And looking at Bella's post , seems that an older server has noobs like mine in RT as well

I asume you have what, a +10 Rank8 weapon?
It's funny how you compare you 'generously taking lower weapons with you until you get fed up with them leeching' with someone who's thinking about getting a G15 morai weapon. I think we already established that those weapons out DD rank8.
Or to put it simple: Your whole 'argument' is invalid in this discussion


It's also very funny how aperently RT is the only server where people can't count. Fortuantly, the OP doesn't live in PWI's crazyhouse, but on Lost City.

akosireann

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I asume you have what, a +10 Rank8 weapon?
It's funny how you compare you 'generously taking lower weapons with you until you get fed up with them leeching' with someone who's thinking about getting a G15 morai weapon. I think we already established that those weapons out DD rank8.
Or to put it simple: Your whole 'argument' is invalid in this discussion


It's also very funny how aperently RT is the only server where people can't count. Fortuantly, the OP doesn't live in PWI's crazyhouse, but on Lost City.

Have you seen another post here that apparently the Morai discrimination is not just only in RTbut in HT as well? haven't you thought that there are also other people from other servers reading this thread?I don't have +10 R8 now, i stopped at +7 Saph gems( why waste dorbs when my nirv T3 is almost complete). You can yammer all you want about the supremacy of the damage of Morai 101 but as Bella said not many go read the forums, they base it on how the server runs. That's how my loonybin runs, who still happens to be more populated than LC. Not all who read it is from LC, DW or any other more 'progressive' servers.

augustfinknottle

akosireann wrote: »

Have you seen another post here that apparently the Morai discrimination is not just only in RTbut in HT as well? haven't you thought that there are also other people from other servers reading this thread?I don't have +10 R8 now, i stopped at +7 Saph gems( why waste dorbs when my nirv T3 is almost complete). You can yammer all you want about the supremacy of the damage of Morai 101 but as Bella said not many go read the forums, they base it on how the server runs. That's how my loonybin runs, who still happens to be more populated than LC. Not all who read it is from LC, DW or any other more 'progressive' servers.

You missed the point here. I think Sirrobert was arguing about you calling your friends, who outdd you, leeches. Its more like YOU are leeching THEM, because they are outdding you. Here:

[If they get R8] They don't become leeches and beg around in my fac for nirv runs

Also, this is ABSURDLY FUNNY:

It really saddened me when a fac mate got dumped by the own squad she started when they saw her morai 101 wep and she was not even requesting r8 or more

If things are as such on your server, it's not that LC or DW are "progressive", it's that HT and RT are probably stuck in 2009, when R8 was DA SHIET. Also, they're a bunch of a-holes.

Azura - Lost City

akosireann wrote: »

Have you seen another post here that apparently the Morai discrimination is not just only in RTbut in HT as well? haven't you thought that there are also other people from other servers reading this thread?I don't have +10 R8 now, i stopped at +7 Saph gems( why waste dorbs when my nirv T3 is almost complete). You can yammer all you want about the supremacy of the damage of Morai 101 but as Bella said not many go read the forums, they base it on how the server runs. That's how my loonybin runs, who still happens to be more populated than LC. Not all who read it is from LC, DW or any other more 'progressive' servers.

So, are you saying that someone should get r8 weapon only because most people 'think' that morai's weapon is ****? Even thought in reality, with numbers, morai's weapon is way superior to r8. All the op has to do is show all the world that they are the ones who are wrong.

As I said already, I tested my +10 Enchanted Edge: Sky against a full r9 wizard, with +10 weapon too. On one mob r9 wizard was doing 41k damage, and my mage was doing 31k. That's only 25% less damage than a r9. However, I haven't taken in consideration the channeling. If you get other gears and stock on channeling, probably you will come close in damage dealt with a r9, and all this with just 2% of the monetary cost of a r9 weapon (including the r9 ring). To me, that's a great bargain.

Following the bandwagon while ignoring the facts it's just plain stupid. Instead of trying to justify why people in your server shouldn't get morai's weapon you should start spreading the word about the viability of this weapon, and how it is way superior to r8. If you do this, at least this will make it seem that you are smarter than the rest of your server.