Veno Outdated!

soleida
soleida Posts: 113 Arc User
edited November 2012 in Venomancer
Seems that veno been outdated to most players. Then dont seem to have much function now the genie took over the lure part. Sins and seekers dont have any trouble in get Sparks. Leave cleric, barb and bm as one of the older class to be still usefull.

How you PWI going to fix that and give a veno a change to be welcome in groups again? Would like to be able to run FF as well and do some freaking damage. We cant even kill heads because our skills are to slow and we dont seem to have any Phy attack ( accept our pet).
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  • Xainou - Sanctuary
    Xainou - Sanctuary Posts: 5,369 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    soleida wrote: »
    We cant even kill heads because our skills are to slow and we dont seem to have any Phy attack ( accept our pet).

    Please tell me you're trolling... b:cry
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  • OIdpop - Heavens Tear
    OIdpop - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,052 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    use a bow
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  • SnowVeno - Heavens Tear
    SnowVeno - Heavens Tear Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    But..but.....b:shedtear
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  • Jeremied - Sanctuary
    Jeremied - Sanctuary Posts: 2,259 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    <_< I love squadding with venos. Their pets are awesome and they keep mobs off of me and give me sparks.

    Although my fac leader is a veno, and I have 4 venos myself, so I'm fairly biased.
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  • Empu - Sanctuary
    Empu - Sanctuary Posts: 1,154 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    soleida wrote: »
    Seems that veno been outdated to most players. Then dont seem to have much function now the genie took over the lure part. Sins and seekers dont have any trouble in get Sparks. Leave cleric, barb and bm as one of the older class to be still usefull.

    How you PWI going to fix that and give a veno a change to be welcome in groups again? Would like to be able to run FF as well and do some freaking damage. We cant even kill heads because our skills are to slow and we dont seem to have any Phy attack ( accept our pet).

    Not sure if you're serious or just trolling but :
    ~If you can't find any squads, get on Sanctuary where venos are very welcome. They have no real trouble getting into normal nirvana (Amp/ironwood/myriads), they are fairly welcome in caster nirvana (depends a little more on the person then normal though), bh (purge/amp/pulls in ws) and from my personal experience venos have no problem joining fcc. Venos are not on the top requirement and normally not wanted more then 1 per squad, that I agree on. But delta is pretty much the only instance where venos aren't accepted easily. On Sanc, venos are fairly wanted and appreciated, I never have problems finding squads.
    ~Venos damage isn't bad. Ofc, since they are a support'ish class, they won't match other classes in dps or dph (but gear is the biggest factor there anyway). Their damage is far from crappy though except on aoe part maybe.
    ~I have no problem killing heads. Just get yourself a marksman or cactopod if you are to slow with a scarab.
    ~Venos have 3 categories of skills : magic attacks/scarabs, support skills and a whole tree of physical melee attacks. They also have a pet that does physical damage for everything except elemental bashes. Don't seem to have any physical attack ? b:laugh They got the most physical attack of all casters, to the point some don't even consider them as a "pure caster class".
    ~Most seekers love it when you pass them sparks.

    Btw, I do think venos need a revamp. Well actually, I think the pets need a revamp more then the venos themselves. But the class with the most right to complain (if there even is such a right) about loosing it's usefullness ingame would be barb imo. Anyway, if you're not welcom in a squad as a veno, they either already have 1 or it's just you they don't want.
  • Kazeodori - Heavens Tear
    Kazeodori - Heavens Tear Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Btw, I do think venos need a revamp. Well actually, I think the pets need a revamp more then the venos themselves. But the class with the most right to complain (if there even is such a right) about loosing it's usefullness ingame would be barb imo. Anyway, if you're not welcom in a squad as a veno, they either already have 1 or it's just you they don't want.

    I agree with this part. Other than that... I'm usually welcomed in squads. The stacking debuffs from Amplify Damage combined with Ironwood are always useful, along with brambling the barb/seeker/bm. Purging on the bosses that need it, passing sparks...

    Though every one luring with genie does make me a little sad. I like luring. Most of the time in bh/fb 69, I still lure. Had a mystic try to lure there with a summon... Didn't end good for the mystic when she pulled 2 adds with the boss. (oops) There are still places where a veno luring is still better, because the pet lure has a longer range.
    Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    ~I have no problem killing heads. Just get yourself a marksman or cactopod if you are to slow with a scarab.
    I put a few points into dex for a slightly better than absolutely crappy but still crappy bow. I do just fine on heads. Gear also helps a little there.

    Regarding the physical skills... I don't use most of them in solo playing, but there are several that do pretty well in a squad, as they also add debuffs.

    Venos can be so many different builds, and it really depends on what YOU like to play as. Me? I'm almost completely AA. I probably have more vit & dex than others, but that's because I would like to live through a few hits if my pet can't grab aggro fast enough. And say hello to my little bow.
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  • Vesemr - Sanctuary
    Vesemr - Sanctuary Posts: 110 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    soleida wrote: »
    Sins and seekers dont have any trouble in get Sparks.

    It has to be troll.. Or maybe I'm just blind. Seeker+Sin in same sentence about "easily getting sparks"?

    Like Empu said, venos re welcome in most of squads, even delta (I like free sparks + nova).
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  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Empu summed it up nicely.
    I heard there are changes in the upcoming expansion on the pet system. I hope it's true!
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  • Empu - Sanctuary
    Empu - Sanctuary Posts: 1,154 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Kazeodori - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Though every one luring with genie does make me a little sad. I like luring. Most of the time in bh/fb 69, I still lure. Had a mystic try to lure there with a summon... Didn't end good for the mystic when she pulled 2 adds with the boss. (oops) There are still places where a veno luring is still better, because the pet lure has a longer range.

    Others luring with genie doesn't bother me to much. It used to be a typical veno job, but it's not something I consider a big loss for venos. How often does a squad really have to lure these days ? I mean, it's more a comodity then a necessity most of the times.
    Kazeodori - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Venos can be so many different builds, and it really depends on what YOU like to play as.

    So true. My veno uses ranged pet for heads (HA account). If it were on my wizards account, I would be throwing scarabs (-70% channel b:laugh). If it were on my sins account, I'd be using bow for sure (-int with bow).

    I usually just tab, attack with pet, tab, hit venemous. This kills 2 heads per spawn unless I target same as others. This is pretty much the same amount as most, except for a wiz that choose a great discoball spot.
  • XLeeu - Heavens Tear
    XLeeu - Heavens Tear Posts: 261 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    b:shocked

    Wanted to say something to OP - But then realised he was making a joke and just trolled. Cause no-one can be that thick.


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  • Jaabg - Sanctuary
    Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    OIdpop - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    use a bow

    OIdpop already gave OP a solution. My veno does awesome dd with bow, more than the archer. If someone gives me gried in the squad, i put an arrow in their knee.
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  • _Skai_ - Raging Tide
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide Posts: 3,407 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Feels like a troll post to me.

    Venos have amazing versatility for any situation in a squad because they can be pure support, pure offense, or both. They can utilize both melee (via pet) and magical attacks. Their amps and armor breaking debuff skills become valuable for both melee and magic based squads.

    On top of all that, the devs seem to have a plan to bring pets up to speed with skills rather than level, where nowadays pets don't really do much in terms of help, in both PvP and PvE.
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  • krisnda
    krisnda Posts: 4,655 Community Moderator
    edited October 2012
    I've been Veno ever since I started playing, I don't have that many alts I play with, because I love my veno so much. Venos may be a little underpowered compared to most other classes, but I do not agree that they are not useful.

    Also, if your going to make a Veno thread, put it in the Veno section. *moved*
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    My veno laughs at this thread and says the OP wins no points.
  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Let us all laugh together b:chuckle
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    Jeremied - Sanctuary Posts: 2,259 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    b:laugh
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  • Kazeodori - Heavens Tear
    Kazeodori - Heavens Tear Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    b:chuckle
    Definitely deserves a good laugh.
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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    soleida wrote: »
    Seems that veno been outdated to most players. Then dont seem to have much function now the genie took over the lure part. Sins and seekers dont have any trouble in get Sparks. Leave cleric, barb and bm as one of the older class to be still usefull.

    How you PWI going to fix that and give a veno a change to be welcome in groups again? Would like to be able to run FF as well and do some freaking damage. We cant even kill heads because our skills are to slow and we dont seem to have any Phy attack ( accept our pet).

    I wanted to join in on picking this apart with everyone else and then laughing :D

    I remember a forum mod calling luring with a genie a game exploit similar to channel canceling and using safety lock to prevent item drop in pk. Oddly enough only one was ever half changed and only for BMs and Sins. Point is, get to the mob/boss and pull prior to your squad and no one will have to empty their genie because the veno was too slow. You know how often I've used to genie's stamina and am waiting for it to recharge to pull, yet the veno is sitting there picking fleas from their tail?

    Seekers have plenty of trouble getting sparks. Sins, not so much but they also use them like crazy. We just have learned to rely on our genies more than a veno because so many venos don't pass sparks or reserve them for barb/cleric (as it should be).

    Venos are very welcome in groups. They're one of the best debuffers in the game and one of the only ranged players wanted in farming squad, while also excelling at events where range helps them gun down mobs.

    Do some freaking damage in FCC? Aside from contributing with a 30/40/100% ironwood debuff, two 100% physical and magical debuffs myriad skills, and a 20-30% amp? My veno could do similar damage in melee as BMs and similar caster damages as wizards, plus the debuffs and amps. Also, our pets don't suffer the 75% damage nerf on [?] bosses and add a decent chunk of dd. Not sure what you are talking about here.

    Can't kill heads? Send your pet at one and cast at another, or use a bow. 2 heads per round is about as many as most people.

    No physical skills?.... Did you miss the entire right half of the skill tree that are all physical melee skills?

    I agree our pets could use a bump but our class has just as many positives and negatives as any other class, it just depends on the player on how strong the class is.
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  • Tigress_eye - Sanctuary
    Tigress_eye - Sanctuary Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Just wanted to say I love you guys b:chuckle you've said it all for me hehe b:cute
  • akosireann
    akosireann Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    b:chuckle my veno gets more invites when I log her on over my demon hf +8 windpour 5 aps bm....you gotta be kidding.

    And seekers getting as fast chi as a sin? They eat up nearly all of my sparks next to barbs

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  • evilf3n1x
    evilf3n1x Posts: 33 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    soleida wrote: »
    How you PWI going to fix that and give a veno a change to be welcome in groups again? Would like to be able to run FF as well and do some freaking damage. We cant even kill heads because our skills are to slow and we dont seem to have any Phy attack ( accept our pet).

    Well, i don't know what pw version you play, because there are some versions that for some magical classe be agreed in squads to frost city is very complicated, but only in frost city occurries the exclusion. In pwi this doesn't happens.
    soleida wrote: »
    Seems that veno been outdated to most players. Then dont seem to have much function now the genie took over the lure part. Sins and seekers dont have any trouble in get Sparks. Leave cleric, barb and bm as one of the older class to be still usefull.


    Only a veno can do the perfect lure. Try to lure the mob that seal in warsong with a genie, i don't get. And in all squads that i go, they need to lure, mainly in a full magic squad warsong.
  • Azura - Lost City
    Azura - Lost City Posts: 2,281 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    All casters are slow with heads, unless they have some decent channeling. If you don't have channeling, get a bow. And if you can take it a bit further, use 2 misty forest rings so you can actually hit the heads b:chuckle
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  • Kazeodori - Heavens Tear
    Kazeodori - Heavens Tear Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    Or if you've got a cleric in squad to boost your performance... Mystics are nice, but there are just some things clerics still do way better.
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  • Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands Posts: 7,231 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    People still want veno in squad, cause they still the only class that can amplify, bramble pass chi (except demon cleric that can too, but more slowly), purge and etc. They are even the only caster wanted in normal nirvana.
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  • Yulk_owns - Lost City
    Yulk_owns - Lost City Posts: 936 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    All of you people got trolled into arguing with a troll. Here's why:
    soleida wrote: »
    Seems that veno been outdated to most players.

    Clearly there are morai skills fitting for more PVP oriented players... (again >.>)
    soleida wrote: »
    Then dont seem to have much function now the genie took over the lure part.

    Pulling is almost neglected since people have OP gear and can AOE all through, only use I see from pulling with a genie (or pet for that matter) is wurlord in TT2-x
    soleida wrote: »
    Sins and seekers dont have any trouble in get Sparks.

    Clearly venoes barely even need sparks for anything except AOE...
    soleida wrote: »
    our skills are to slow and we dont seem to have any Phy attack ( accept our pet).

    Clearly this is an epic troll right here, everyone knows there is fox form which does physical attacks, most idiots don't even use them anyway. No way this person can fail at this game THAT much -_-"
    I, II and III spark is the most cheesiest skill in PWI and it should be removed or massively nerfed.

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  • krisnda
    krisnda Posts: 4,655 Community Moderator
    edited November 2012
    Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »
    Clearly this is an epic troll right here, everyone knows there is fox form which does physical attacks, most idiots don't even use them anyway. No way this person can fail at this game THAT much -_-"

    I'm surprised your talking.

    As for this thread, I agree.

    Closing this.
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