refines

I_am_noob - Dreamweaver

ok i spent a LOT of mirages today on refines....and ofc i fail to get pass +5
used refine ads like Tisha and Tienkang Stone and still fail everytime i tray to get +6.
hmm any tips becos i hear people go even to +8 whit mirages + refine adsb:surrender
does my luck suck that badb:cry

Maelael - Heavens Tear

I_am_noob - Dreamweaver wrote: »

ok i spent a LOT of mirages today on refines....and ofc i fail to get pass +5
used refine ads like Tisha and Tienkang Stone and still fail everytime i tray to get +6.
hmm any tips becos i hear people go even to +8 whit mirages + refine adsb:surrender
does my luck suck that badb:cry

Uhm....check the crafting section about refines.

I spend about 50-100 mirages and about 10-20 event gold to hit +5. +7 is about 50-100 Event gold and like 250-500 mirages.

So far I'm finding about the same luck-ish with Tienkangs to 5 or 7 rather than switching to Tishas 5-7.

Play around with the refining simulator (don't use any of the conditional add ons, they're false).

The only thing I'm convinced is the higher the grade, the harder it is to refine. Also, N3 is harder to refine than R9.

Jaabg - Sanctuary

I find tishas to be mostly useless. I still use them, but i have tiekanged all the way to +8, tisha to +9 and got cold feet to get +10 with a tisha b:chuckle.

Today i did a +5 on a warsong belt, 30 mirages 10 event gold.

The other day i spent 500 mirages on 3 pieces to +6, they were +5, i ended with +5, because they failed and refused to go higher, i wasted 300 event gold.

I have come to the conclusion. If you want +7~+9, each armour piece requires 1k mirage and 100~200 event gold. No matter how bad your luck is, those numbers of tries will overwrite your bad luck b:victory.

Is it efficient, best way? Probably not. I get free mirages and event gold, so i have no issue wasting them to get my refines. Other people would simply npc the mirages and use the coin to buy orbs and refine their gear and have more hair on their heads.

When i refine armour, i tend to do all my pieces at once. Some days pwi is kind to me other days i wonder if i should pull out my body hair next because the hair on my head are gone. Best i can offer, have a large pool ready, and be ready for disappointment. I refine in multiple steps though.

If having bad luck i stop at +5. Next step is +7. Next is +8. At that point i see how much i spent, if my costs are high, i use ocean orbs to +10. If my costs are low, i try for +9.

On our server, there is a person who does refining for you. Might be a similar person on your server. Those prices are good for higher refines if starting at 0.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

I have done +8 in 11 mirages and refine aids. I've also failed to +6 an item with over 1700 mirages.

I prefer to view luck as retrospective. You can only look back and say "that was above the odds" and therefore lucky or "that was below the odds" and therefore unlucky. I don't really think people have a luck that makes their odds increase or decrease.

So yes, you had bad luck.

Check out Zoho's refining cost sheet, lines 30-33. Basically, he suggests +1-+4 to use mirages, +5-6 Tienkang, +7-9 Tisha. You can expect to use 281 mirages for +5, 627 mirages for +6, 1317 mirages for +7, and 2689 for +8.

You can also check PWpedia's refining page. Don't believe any of the rumors.

I like to always have about 1500 mirages when I start refining over +5. I also prefer to do most my refining all at once (+4-+8) rather than +5 now... +6 next week... +7 a few weeks later... Because then you fail and start all over again. Also, pick a refine point and stop when you reach it. Yay! I got +7... I wonder if I can get +8. Doesn't work.

I_am_noob - Dreamweaver

since i am atm low on event gold was wondering wher you prefer to grind for DQ
to be honest i am sick of OHT valley of sacret but still cant find bether place to do it

Jaabg - Sanctuary

That is a good spot, the other two spots i like. Goothe in avalanche mountain. There are on the mountain side leading to the river. Below the hut as well. In 4~7 pulls i can make 1 round and i get all of them usually. I farm them mostly for the books they drop, dq is fun there as well.

In hell, behind the aba enterance there are fists of sand, or some similar name mobs. They looks like the mobs way down south as well. They are phy only and fun to kill.

VOS mobs i don't grind that much sadly.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

I used to solo abas/seats for DQs. Any G11 gear you can turn into chi stone and sell for more than the gear itself, you'd get the DQs, and on top of it you might get a book.