Questions for Upgrade/Recast etc on gears.

darkmortal665

First thing please, I'm not asking for suggestions, opinions, thoughts, or assumptions. I don't care about costs or anything. I'm aware how long things can and may take to work for. Everything in this game is affordable, you just have to be patient and persistent.

As for the questions:
There's different forges for different options for recasting, honing, reshaping, etc. Can anybody provide factual details on the differences please?
Recasting = Moving to the next grade up armor?
Reshaping = Re-rolling of base physical and magical resistances?
Reforging = Re-rolling the additional stat attributes?
Honing = ???
Anything else???

I'm sure by now people have attempted and tested the differences of these forges, but searching through posts and wiki/database/google etc. a lot of details aren't specific enough, are referred to as just "re-rolling" as an example, when it's not specified whether that "re-roll" is during reforge or what. Then, forums provide a lot of "i think" answers. Maybe I just haven't looked hard enough but I've been researching for long enough to end up relying on my own post hoping for clarifications.

I have specific curiosity's and hopefully I may figure these out with the answer's I'm given, but for now I'll just leave it at this point. If needed, I'll ask for further details. In the mean time though, thank you, to anyone who can contribute. (No thank's to any trolls.)

Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear

darkmortal665 wrote: »

First thing please, I'm not asking for suggestions, opinions, thoughts, or assumptions. I don't care about costs or anything. I'm aware how long things can and may take to work for. Everything in this game is affordable, you just have to be patient and persistent.

As for the questions:
There's different forges for different options for recasting, honing, reshaping, etc. Can anybody provide factual details on the differences please?
Recasting = Moving to the next grade up armor?
Reshaping = Re-rolling of base physical and magical resistances?
Reforging = Re-rolling the additional stat attributes?
Honing = ???
Anything else???

I'm sure by now people have attempted and tested the differences of these forges, but searching through posts and wiki/database/google etc. a lot of details aren't specific enough, are referred to as just "re-rolling" as an example, when it's not specified whether that "re-roll" is during reforge or what. Then, forums provide a lot of "i think" answers. Maybe I just haven't looked hard enough but I've been researching for long enough to end up relying on my own post hoping for clarifications.

I have specific curiosity's and hopefully I may figure these out with the answer's I'm given, but for now I'll just leave it at this point. If needed, I'll ask for further details. In the mean time though, thank you, to anyone who can contribute. (No thank's to any trolls.)

Needs to be more specific on what you are looking for. Reforge what? 2nd stage nirvana reforge is something, r8 reforge is another thing, even if they bear the same process name (2 different definition/recipe).

There are more forges that what you mentioned:
Reforge R8
Recast R8
Hone R8
nirvana recast (also called 1st cast)
nirvana quench (also called 2nd cast)
nirvana reforge
Nirvana 3rd cast forge (also called 3rd cast)
nirvana 3rd cast reroll
Morai reform
Morai reshape
R9 recast's (there are a few of them, but I familiar with any of them)

Also, for nirvana forges, you will need to specify wherever it weapon or armor.
Also, many of the above transformation process has a 2nd version (spirit of the forge) which also you to choose to retain previous stats

Pwi is kinda confusing when it comes down to naming stuffs (meanings are lost in translation sometimes). But I still believe that all the information (e.g recipe) that you need can be found on pwi wiki/database or in-game description on the forges.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide

darkmortal665 wrote: »

First thing please, I'm not asking for suggestions, opinions, thoughts, or assumptions. I don't care about costs or anything. I'm aware how long things can and may take to work for. Everything in this game is affordable, you just have to be patient and persistent.

As for the questions:
There's different forges for different options for recasting, honing, reshaping, etc. Can anybody provide factual details on the differences please?
Recasting = Moving to the next grade up armor? Applies to Nirvana and R9. First cast of Nirvana is considered recasting.
Reshaping = Re-rolling of base physical and magical resistances? Applies to R8. Reshaping rerolls the attributes on the gear.
Reforging = Re-rolling the additional stat attributes? Applies to R8 and Nirvana. The act of upgrading to a new piece of armor is for R8, and for Nirvana reforging rerolls the stats on the gear (i.e. if it's +8 dex, you can reroll it to +6-+10)
Honing = ??? Applies to R8 recast gear. Refer to what reforge means for Nirvana, and honing does the same thing for R8 recast.
Anything else??? Quenching, which applies to Nirvana. The act of upgrading from a tier 1 Nirvana weapon/armor to its tier 2 is considered quenching. (i.e. Barrier Thorn: Nirvana daggers to Dark Death Thorn daggers)
Reform and Reshape for Morai 95 gear: Reform is like Nirvana's Recasting (first cast), and Reshape is like R8r's Honing or Nirvana's Reforging.

I'm sure by now people have attempted and tested the differences of these forges, but searching through posts and wiki/database/google etc. a lot of details aren't specific enough, are referred to as just "re-rolling" as an example, when it's not specified whether that "re-roll" is during reforge or what. Then, forums provide a lot of "i think" answers. Maybe I just haven't looked hard enough but I've been researching for long enough to end up relying on my own post hoping for clarifications.

I have specific curiosity's and hopefully I may figure these out with the answer's I'm given, but for now I'll just leave it at this point. If needed, I'll ask for further details. In the mean time though, thank you, to anyone who can contribute. (No thank's to any trolls.)

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darkmortal665

Alright, I'm still a little lost. Particularly, at the moment I'm looking towards r8, but I do plan to do t1-t3 stuff. That much is obvious to me already, just haven't ever heard of it as quenching until now.

Okay, let me ask about Spirit of the Forge.
(Quote:) Magnanimous_
"Also, many of the above transformation process has a 2nd version (spirit of the forge) which also you to choose to retain previous stats".

What's the purpose of that then? Does it allow you to retain any chosen stat(s) or just all of them? If all of them, then what's to be changed when you use it, and is there any other forge that allows you to keep a chosen? I read the in game descriptions and seemed to get the impression of what it said that this was possible, but it may have meant for Sockets/Refine/Imbued Gems etc. which I don't need those explained. Tienken and Chienkun's for that, I know as well.

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

darkmortal665 wrote: »

What's the purpose of that then? Does it allow you to retain any chosen stat(s) or just all of them? If all of them, then what's to be changed when you use it, and is there any other forge that allows you to keep a chosen? I read the in game descriptions and seemed to get the impression of what it said that this was possible, but it may have meant for Sockets/Refine/Imbued Gems etc. which I don't need those explained. Tienken and Chienkun's for that, I know as well.

With the spirit, you can chose between the old stats and the new stats.
So if you have for example for R8R boots, 1 0.05 interval stat, and you want 2, the chance of getting the 2nd piece is very low.
If you rerol like normal, there is even a high chance of coming out with no interval. This would suck. With the Spirit of the Forge, you can chose to keep the stats. So you can try again and again until you actually DO get 2 interval stats, without risking to lose the first point

Jaabg - Sanctuary

R8 from what i understand

I forget the forge names exactly

Reforging as skai said, you take your R8 piece, give the coins, shields and other trial mats, and you get a R8 recasted item back that is grade 15, 4 sockets with new adds.

Reshaping - Only works once you have the R8 recast item. You take it to this forge, it will delete all your extra adds, and give you new ones. This is all random, so no way of knowing.

Rehoning - It takes your stats on R8 recast and it keeps them, but let's say one stat is vit 8~13. That means you can have vit from anywhere to 8 to 13. You got 9. When you rehone, it will take that attribute and run it again, you might get higher than 9, lower than 9 or keep it at 9, it will not change the stats for you.

Spirit of the forges

You take your r8 recast chest for example. You have vit, hp, hp stats on it. You use 1 chienkun stone. When the forging is done you have 30 seconds to decide.

The forge will show you your old stats and your new stats. You choose in 30 seconds which ones you want. I believe skai posted a video of it. If you like the new stats you click on them. If you like the old stats, you click on those. Only additional cost is the chienkun stone for this forge.

Hope that helps.

Elanxu - Dreamweaver

recast and reforge are essentially the same thing. it means going up a grade. however, in terms of word usage, people generally use the word "reforge" on nirvy gears, and "recast" on r8 or r9 gears.

i have personally never heard of reshaping. maybe that is street language that means the same as the above. as for honing, im not positive, but i think i heard of that in terms of morai g15 gears, and it involves rerolling the stats on the item but keeping the refines and stuff.

there is also the spirit of the forge, where you reroll a gear but you get to pick the stats under a time limit. that doesnt exactly have a name.

Jaabg - Sanctuary

Elanxu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

recast and reforge are essentially the same thing. it means going up a grade. however, in terms of word usage, people generally use the word "reforge" on nirvy gears, and "recast" on r8 or r9 gears.

i have personally never heard of reshaping. maybe that is street language that means the same as the above. as for honing, im not positive, but i think i heard of that in terms of morai g15 gears, and it involves rerolling the stats on the item but keeping the refines and stuff.

there is also the spirit of the forge, where you reroll a gear but you get to pick the stats under a time limit. that doesnt exactly have a name.

Necro b:chuckle

+1 b:victory

The posts above your answered the question OP asked in quiet some detail, there was no need to necro this thread b:sad.

Allisandre - Sanctuary

Any why would you necro a thread with an answer that had already been answered?

skaitavia

Allisandre - Sanctuary wrote: »

Any why would you necro a thread with an answer that had already been answered?

This.

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