In which aoe skill should I focus in 8x?

humbfdljr

Right now I'm at lvl 79 and I have my masteries at lvl 10 and most of my single target skills between lvls 7-10.

I've been using DB (lvl 9) in my few PV runs. Soon I'll try to go to FC (for my first time). I don't know which aoe skills would be more efficient in FC.

I have Black Ice Dragon Strike (lvl 3), Mountain's Seize (lvl 2) and Blade Tempest (lvl1 and amazing in pvp, I have already hked a 85 cleric).

For me those skills look more PVP and TW oriented (specially MS and BT) and maybe DB would be more efficient (plus cost only 1 chi, which is easy to get). The issue is that DB doesn't consider the weapon damage (so sooner or later the other aoes will be better).

In case any of those 2 chi aoes is better for PvE pulls, in which should I focus?

Obs. This is my gear http://www.pwcalc.com/435b91b763c9b0fd , I already have the TT 80 arcane hedgear.

truekossy

DB is fine. Unlike the others, it's a continuous AoE which is what matters most often in PvE at that level. Later on, sparked blade tempest becomes your hardest hitting AoE generally.

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

Different scenarios ask for different things.

For PV and FC, DB is perfect. Get yourself a genie with expel for those moments you don't trust a tank to keep the mobs off you, and you will just laugh as the mobs all hit you for 'resist' until they die.

For PvP, it depends again.
For TW (if you TW), it would mostly depend on your weapon.
Most high lvl people will not really notice your BIDS or BT, but a stun from MS is something they DO feel. And it will allow your team to take them out easier.
1v1, BT is better for squishys ofcourse, while BIDS better for HA people. But here again, a well placed MS could be very good (it might be difficult to get it off though, due to the time to channel).
DB, is a good skill, but its use in PVP/TW is very limited, because you can't move. Your target would simply stun you, or move out of your attack range

So for TW, I would suggest MS (priority), and BT. Put BIDS on hold for now, as those HA targets generally have to much HP for you to kill. A stun would be better here..
For PvP, I would suggest you foccus more on your single target nukes first. A sutra combo hurts alot more than a BT, and it's easier to get off.

Your 2 spark AoEs are very expencive to level though, so I suggest you pick 1 for now.

MasterPerian - Lost City

1st of all why are you suing a glaive isn't there another weapon that supports survivability at that level? I think it was Sakayumi's Light. Also like other had said Dragons Breath will take you a long ways. Although you probably wont get too far using Dragons breath in PVP at your level and gear. What I am trying to get at is this, don't waste your coin on the hard hitting AOE's just yet. Just think about farming till your better geared up for PVP. Dragons Breath is great for farming. 2nd skill i would level up is Black Ice Dragon Strike because your main goal is to nuke heavy armor classes anyways. However to be honest it is really just preference. Blade Tempest is also a great skill which I personally would level along side with Black Ice Dragon Strike. 3rd would be Mountain Seize because of its slow nature. OMG I forgot about Hail Storm and Will of The Phoenix! Level those two up they are great AOE's that require no chi b:bye

Toliman - Raging Tide

humbfdljr wrote: »

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I have Black Ice Dragon Strike (lvl 3), Mountain's Seize (lvl 2) and Blade Tempest (lvl1 and amazing in pvp, I have already hked a 85 cleric).

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In case any of those 2 chi aoes is better for PvE pulls, in which should I focus?

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In case if you want to use 2 chi AoEs I would to propose you following order for PvE:

1. Blade Tempest as element independent spell (with half of physical damage)
2. Mountain's Seize as spell that you can cast right before Blade Tempest to stun targets
3. Black Ice Dragon Strike as spell with great "slow targets" effect that you can cast right before Blade Tempest in case if Mountain's Seize is in cooldown

I have at level 79 almost all skills at maximum (like Blade Tempest at 7th level and Mountain's Seize at 7th level).

Many players can't use AoE for PvE though.

humbfdljr

Tyvm for the tips. By now I'm more interested in PvE than TW or PvP.

I already got DB lvl 10 (which is very good with lvl 10 fire mastery and jones blessing), so I guess I'll focus first on my single target skills (glacial snare and sandstorm need 2 + lvls to max and I still have to lvl up force of will and distance shrink - both lvl 5) , then in the later lvls I'll level up my 2 chi aoes.

My gennie will get expel in her next lvl, so that will be great to use with DB (already died a few times cause nobody can hold agro from me and the cleric usually doesn't heal me even after using pots and second wind).

About gear progression, do you think I would be able to do caster nirvana with TT 90 gear? I was thinking about farming my r8 gear doing that.

About the weapon, I was using Sakyamuni before, but I changed to the glaive because of the damage increase and because I like how glaives look. =p

Usually I'm very resistant with 4200 phis def (full buffed) and 2500 hp because I have both jones and o'malleys blessing, the first one when atking and I change to the second one when being atked.

humbfdljr

Oh, I guess Morai 95 would be better than TT90 for caster nirvana, right?

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

For caster you'll need better gear, about 4k HP minimal (rather 5k or up).
With my 5,5k I got pritty close to 1shot some times

I'm not sure about TT90 armor, with good shards you might be able to go, but don't expect to survive everything

For weapon, you wanna look at TT99 minimal, or G13 morai, to be on the safe side. Those bosses are really strong, and if you don't kill fast enough they will start to hit to hard for most lower geared squads to take.
It is possible to have Morai G12 gear, but you'll need stronger DDs along with you than.
Also, it would be dificult to find random squads that want to take you. With faction that should not be a problem though

Dragoneast - Sanctuary

humbfdljr wrote: »

Right now I'm at lvl 79 and I have my masteries at lvl 10 and most of my single target skills between lvls 7-10.

I've been using DB (lvl 9) in my few PV runs. Soon I'll try to go to FC (for my first time). I don't know which aoe skills would be more efficient in FC.

I have Black Ice Dragon Strike (lvl 3), Mountain's Seize (lvl 2) and Blade Tempest (lvl1 and amazing in pvp, I have already hked a 85 cleric).

For me those skills look more PVP and TW oriented (specially MS and BT) and maybe DB would be more efficient (plus cost only 1 chi, which is easy to get). The issue is that DB doesn't consider the weapon damage (so sooner or later the other aoes will be better).

In case any of those 2 chi aoes is better for PvE pulls, in which should I focus?

Obs. This is my gear http://www.pwcalc.com/435b91b763c9b0fd , I already have the TT 80 arcane hedgear.

VERY IMPORTANT NOTE: as a barb myself and a cleric, ive seen what happens to wizards who DB before the barb got some good aggro, so ALWAYS MAKE SURE the barb has roar'ed mobs, dont DB before he did else u gonna get killed for sure and miss lots of exp

humbfdljr

Dragoneast - Sanctuary wrote: »

VERY IMPORTANT NOTE: as a barb myself and a cleric, ive seen what happens to wizards who DB before the barb got some good aggro, so ALWAYS MAKE SURE the barb has roar'ed mobs, dont DB before he did else u gonna get killed for sure and miss lots of exp

Dragon, if there is no a seeker in squad (they are very good to keep agro away from me) usually I use gennie skill expel or crab meat (depending on the size of the pull), that keeps me safe for time enough, unless the mobs are magical.

Dragoneast - Sanctuary

Ok, but such info can't hurt b:pleased

Vindis - Dreamweaver

I would level Mountain's Seize first of those 3.

It is also an aoe stun, which is quite beneficial in both pve and pvp settings.

In FC you can use it when there is no BM/Psy present to stun large pulls. This keeps damage off the tank. And is especially useful if there is no barb or Seeker pulling (My brother did this on his wiz when I pulled on my archer).

BIDS is rly powerful and has a great slow effect, but I would focus BT next because it does both physical and magical damage. BT will generally outdamage BIDS unless BIDS crits (much more likely if you end up getting Sage BIDS).

humbfdljr

Dragoneast - Sanctuary wrote: »

Ok, but such info can't hurt b:pleased

oh, that wasn't my intention. ;D

humbfdljr

Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I would level Mountain's Seize first of those 3.

It is also an aoe stun, which is quite beneficial in both pve and pvp settings.

In FC you can use it when there is no BM/Psy present to stun large pulls. This keeps damage off the tank. And is especially useful if there is no barb or Seeker pulling (My brother did this on his wiz when I pulled on my archer).

BIDS is rly powerful and has a great slow effect, but I would focus BT next because it does both physical and magical damage. BT will generally outdamage BIDS unless BIDS crits (much more likely if you end up getting Sage BIDS).

Good idea. In yesterday's FC (my 5th I guess) I was the only aoe DD (1 barb, 1 cleric, 2 venos, a sin and me) and we failed trying to do full pull the big room. It would be probably easier using MS before DB+expel.