Sage Noxious Gas Range

MiniST - Sanctuary

On the description it says 4.5 meter around target. Before I upgraded it, it said 9 meter... Hopefully this is a typo <b:shocked

thumbs

It's not a typo; it's a misunderstanding on your part.

MiniST - Sanctuary

thumbs wrote: »

It's not a typo; it's a misunderstanding on your part.

how can it be a misunderstanding when the numbers change yet nothing else did...

Xainou - Sanctuary

Ignore thumbs and test it first. Might just simply be a faulty description.

MiniST - Sanctuary

Did a test on some mobs in hell and compared it to nova which has a 12 meter radius, didn't seem to have a huge difference, but still inconclusive.

Jaabg - Sanctuary

I checked ecatomb = 9m, for both sage and demon

I checked in game, sage version = 4.5m, demon version = 9m.

It is very unlikely that a skill's aoe duration gets lowered when it goes sage/demon.

A lvl 7 drake ray (bm skill) is 9.1 meters. Spirit chaser = 9.1m meter range. Any pole weapon = 4.5m exactly.

Have a bm auto attack with a pole weapon. Use noxious gas on the person, if it works, 4.5m range is confirmed.

Have the bm move back and have them use spirit chaser (tell the to lvl it if they don't have it, peny change at lvl 1). Try noxious gas again, probably won't work because of 0.1 difference, but you never know. If it does work, take one step forward and try again. If it doesn't work try again. Take another step forward and see if works than.

If by constantly stepping forward, you enter the pike range again, than it is 4.5m, and they probably made a boo boo on the skill.

I am sure other classes have similar range skills, but i only know about bms mostly b:surrender.

Disregard the above

The range is 27m, and will activate. Do the same as above, but have the bm attack a non agro mob. Pick the anni mobs. The concept will still work. mark the spot ranges by dropping something there, or just memorising the location.

Annalyse - Heavens Tear

It is probably a typo like half of the skills have in this game (Noxious Level 1 has a 4.5m range so they may have accidentally copied that over). The range did not change when I got sage.

MANray_ - Sanctuary

There is an alarming number of mistakes on ingame descriptions and while I'll grant there's been some fixes the reality is you've got to take them with a grain of salt. My all time favourite remains the "walk behind" available on the macros menu.

I think the short range on Noxious actually comes as an advantage as you can use it in almost a surgical fashion. In general terms you will hit every mob that's aggroing the same target and miss everything else. Also, the DoT makes it unlikely you'll draw any of them to you as long as their target is actively trying to mantain aggro. The 4.5m range does seem like a sweet spot, really I don't see this as a skill that was ever meant as a wide hitting AoE. It works great with pets taking on multiples and the damage is worth it for general squad work.

As an aside, I do see this as a widely abused skill however, I think way too many venos routinely use it on single targets because of the extra chi, which is sloppy work and wasteful.

kawaiijen

If you guy's don't mind.

Can you post a screenshot of your skills?

One of the Sage Noxious saying the 4.5 meter AoE radius

One of Demon / Level 10 Noxious saying the 9 meter AoE radius

b:thanks

Also side note if you guys add a screenshot of "behind enemy" description for the repeat macro?

I'll submit those to be updated.

krisnda

Here is the "Behind Enemy"

I would help with the sage Gas, but I don't have that skill xD.

kawaiijen

Krisnda wrote: »

Here is the "Behind Enemy"

I would help with the sage Gas, but I don't have that skill xD.

You can give me the level 10/demon form though :P

krisnda

KawaiiJen wrote: »

You can give me the level 10/demon form though :P

Lol, I'm sage xD

Here's lv 10: http://imageshack.us/a/img560/5632/20121004123506.png

Jaabg - Sanctuary

I clicked on the encyclopedia, clicked on skills, chose venomancer as class, typed in "Noxious". This is all the three skill description we get.


Noxious Gas

Too lazy to look in ah at books b:chuckle.

kawaiijen

Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »

I clicked on the encyclopedia, clicked on skills, chose venomancer as class, typed in "Noxious". This is all the three skill description we get.


Noxious Gas

Too lazy to look in ah at books b:chuckle.

Books don't tell range specs. And thank you.

mm2000

Oh it is that fail veno spell... why even use it?

krisnda

mm2000 wrote: »

Oh it is that fail veno spell... why even use it?

Oh look, a person who knows nothing about anything. Keep your fail comments to yourself. b:chuckle

mm2000

Krisnda wrote: »

Oh look, a person who knows nothing about anything. Keep your fail comments to yourself. b:chuckle

Yeah, that is you, I kept that at level 1, that's a DOT spell... I do more DPS with befuddling mist and things miss me a lot more.

Xainou - Sanctuary

mm2000 wrote: »

Yeah, that is you, I kept that at level 1, that's a DOT spell... I do more DPS with befuddling mist and things miss me a lot more.

What. I smell fail veno.b:shocked

mm2000

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

What. I smell fail veno.b:shocked

Yes, my veno fails because she does not have a crappy DOT spell. http://pwcalc.com/c434873c15d4de60

You're the fail for using it. What's next? I'm fail because I don't level blazing and frost scarab either? What kind of fail logic is that?

Edit: who fails on a veno seriously? Anyway... I'm off to bed, what a lame forum.

truekossy

mm2000 wrote: »

Yes, my veno fails because she does not have a crappy DOT spell. http://pwcalc.com/c434873c15d4de60

You're the fail for using it. What's next? I'm fail because I don't level blazing and frost scarab either? What kind of fail logic is that?

Edit: who fails on a veno seriously? Anyway... I'm off to bed, what a lame forum.

You're an idiot who fails at the class and gear does not change that fact.


Leveling Noxious increases the initial damage dealt as well as the AoE range. Plus, unlike frost, it grants chi instead of burning it. By leaving it at level 1, you weaken your veno and by posting so publicly about the fact while trying to claim it's useless, you make it blatantly apparent that your knowledge of the class is woefully inadequate and you should be ignored in discussion regarding it.

tl;dr: You're an idiot. Now go away while the big people talk.

P.S. Your calc made me laugh. Cit in weapon? Acc shard when ironwood or pet debuff drops mob evasion to zero? Vit stones in wrist, yet can't afford a better tome or neck? You so fail b:heart

Jaabg - Sanctuary

From the description of the aoe skill, seems like it hits as hard as lvl 10 highland cleave. I'll test it out, once my veno is ready b:cute. BM, veno combo made in heavens.

I would love to have strong dot skills on bm, but our axe aoes are instant damage. Nothing wrong with that, but if you chain aoes, a dot aoe equals to one instant aoe, is a big help in killing things faster.

The above is assuming, the two skills equally hard. My knowledge of veno and skills from other classes is 0.

Why would a veno go HA gear? If i make a veno on my bm account, sure i can make that veno go 5 aps, and just account stash the gear, but i still like the AA venos best. Just how the pure dex archer i am lvling, hits so much harder, compared to fists it can wear. Same with the wizzy, they 1~3 shot things, that took me 8~15 shots to kill on bm b:cry.

Fail_BM - Raging Tide

mm2000 wrote: »

Yes, my veno fails because she does not have a crappy DOT spell. http://pwcalc.com/c434873c15d4de60

You're the fail for using it. What's next? I'm fail because I don't level blazing and frost scarab either? What kind of fail logic is that?

Edit: who fails on a veno seriously? Anyway... I'm off to bed, what a lame forum.

Obvious troll is obvious.

But if you are going to troll do it well, you are failing at it.

kawaiijen

Well I got the information I needed and they are reviewing it.

/Closed