High Grade Charm Discussion
Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
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Speaking of charms. It's a pity how few people know about the BEST defense charms in the game which reduce by 67% instead of the normal 50% (which by default require 9 Apothocary but can be obtained another way..... :>)
And That would be nice. A decomposing of shards for lower tier even if it was like a 33% loss. or w/e you lost 1 per that it would've cost to build up.
Wait, there's a way to get those charms?
Any chance you can share? You just made me VERY curious b:surrender
9 out of 10 voices in my head say I'm not crazy... the 10th is singing the music of tetris
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Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »Wait, there's a way to get those charms?
Any chance you can share? You just made me VERY curious b:surrender
Jen's unleashing of another rarely known secret just like green FF gear into EXP!
Lunarglade trophy mode.
Obtain Silver in all 3 valleys for 80 of physical or magical defense
Obtain Bronze in all 3 valleys for 60 of either.
QQ URL are disabled So ill paste below
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/quest/18407 <- Silver
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/quest/18411 < - Bronze0 -
Jen's unleashing of another rarely known secret just like green FF gear into EXP!
Lunarglade trophy mode.
Obtain Silver in all 3 valleys for 80 of physical or magical defense
Obtain Bronze in all 3 valleys for 60 of either.
QQ URL are brokens So ill paste below
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/quest/18407 <- Silver
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/quest/18411 < - Bronze
"bows to the jen and it's impressive array of knowledge"b:dirty
Time to go do trophy mode0 -
Jen's unleashing of another rarely known secret just like green FF gear into EXP!
Lunarglade trophy mode.
Obtain Silver in all 3 valleys for 80 of physical or magical defense
Obtain Bronze in all 3 valleys for 60 of either.
QQ URL are brokens So ill paste below
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/quest/18407 <- Silver
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/quest/18411 < - Bronze
Gonna give away all our secrets at this rate!
... Well, except for the fact that a vast majority of people don't seem to read and things that shouldn't be secrets somehow wind up unknown to most anyways.0 -
Jen's unleashing of another rarely known secret just like green FF gear into EXP!
Lunarglade trophy mode.
Obtain Silver in all 3 valleys for 80 of physical or magical defense
Obtain Bronze in all 3 valleys for 60 of either.
QQ URL are disabled So ill paste below
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/quest/18407 <- Silver
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/quest/18411 < - Bronze
I bow to your superior mind, now excuse me while I try to find a way to get people to do TM for me b:pleased9 out of 10 voices in my head say I'm not crazy... the 10th is singing the music of tetris0 -
Gogogo share it with your friendsJoeDirt - Raging Tide wrote: »"bows to the jen and it's impressive array of knowledge"b:dirty
Time to go do trophy mode
I've kept the good stuff to myself still :PGonna give away all our secrets at this rate!
... Well, except for the fact that a vast majority of people don't seem to read and things that shouldn't be secrets somehow wind up unknown to most anyways.Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »I bow to your superior mind, now excuse me while I try to find a way to get people to do TM for me b:pleased
Make a thread in your faction forums about it and you can quote my post if you want and I'm sure the faction will organize runs as this can help qutie a bit for tw purposes.0 -
Jen's unleashing of another rarely known secret just like green FF gear into EXP!
Lunarglade trophy mode.
Obtain Silver in all 3 valleys for 80 of physical or magical defense
Obtain Bronze in all 3 valleys for 60 of either.
QQ URL are disabled So ill paste below
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/quest/18407 <- Silver
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/quest/18411 < - Bronze
Oh sure, go ahead and flaunt your knowledge of something I told you in faction chat b:chuckle
Then again, I only knew of it because they're fairly popular charms to use on private servers b:quietOlbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »Well if you ask me, it's less the effect and more the duration.
For me, it'd have to be ridiculously cheap for me to ever consider a 1 hour long effect worth it. Make it a few days or a week or a month and you got me.
Heck, if I did more every day than just cube and Morai dailies, I would be all over the 2 Gold 1 month telebell.
For me it's less the duration and more the cost.
Having a rune that lasts for like a week seems a little... yeah. Especially when seekers can overbuff them.
The effects that current highest-tier runes offer seem worthy of maybe 50k to me. Maybe make them untradeable in exchange for that so runecrafting is at least something worth working for.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »Oh sure, go ahead and flaunt your knowledge of something I told you in faction chat b:chuckle
Then again, I only knew of it because they're fairly popular charms to use on private servers b:quiet
I already knew that though b:chuckle
Was watching some lunarglade videos for how to run it for the cape and someone showed some of the items and it went from there.
And on the new character event faction?0 -
I already knew that though b:chuckle
And on the new character event faction?
Mhm, and you even said you didn't know that before b:scorn
iirc it went something like...
Me: Or you could use those -67% charms.
You: GL finding someone with lv9 apoth.
Me: etc etc.
But by all means do spread the knowledge. Inciting people to run new dungeons is always a good thing b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »Mhm, and you even said you didn't know that before b:scorn
iirc it went something like...
Me: Or you could use those -67% charms.
You: GL finding someone with lv9 apoth.
Me: etc etc.
But by all means do spread the knowledge. Inciting people to run new dungeons is always a good thing b:chuckle
I didn't know about the bronze giving it. I dunno but indeed it is :P0 -
I'm waiting to get level 9 apoth based attack charms. b:laugh0
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I'm waiting to get level 9 apoth based attack charms. b:laugh
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/quest/18406 ?
Or did you want level 10 ones?0 -
Those can be made with level 6 apoth.
Guess it would be these:[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Yes. That or for PWI to make it so me having all my craft skills maxed isn't basically just for show.
Edit: The URL thing is really annoying sometime when multitasking. b:surrender0 -
Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »Those can be made with level 6 apoth.
I stand corrected. I haven't even looked at attack charms in over 2 years. b:surrender
Edit: I'll make a new thread on charms this is going WAY off topic.0 -
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Since we went off topic in the other thread.
I'm moving the charm discussion here.0 -
True, but it was a highly informative off-topic... kinda.
On the topic though, it's rather ironic for me that I used phys defense charms more frequently at lower levels than I do now. Between rampant APS and the cooldowns, though, I actually rarely bother with them outside of a few obvious (and not so obvious) situations.0 -
Always wondered if attack charms would improve BB healing, though. It doesn't consume any charms, not for casting nor for the ticks.
Guess it's just a bit hard to test.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I'm waiting to get level 9 apoth based attack charms. b:laugh
Meh, you can't use att charms with G16 weapons
EDIT: 1 more question, can you get the charms with gold medals also? Or do you have to really watch the time and wait with handing in if you are to fast9 out of 10 voices in my head say I'm not crazy... the 10th is singing the music of tetris0 -
Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »Meh, you can't use att charms with G16 weapons
That, too.
Not sure if it's actually a glitch since warsouls are also G16 and have been around since like forever.
A weapon being G16 doesn't seem to affect refining bonuses over G15, since R9S3 (G16) refines the same as second cast (G15) nirvana. Warsouls even refine for lower than that.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Well that's why I stack Pdef and use mdef charms. It's just not worth it besides skills like Arma or any other high physical DPH coming to eat your face off.True, but it was a highly informative off-topic... kinda.
On the topic though, it's rather ironic for me that I used phys defense charms more frequently at lower levels than I do now. Between rampant APS and the cooldowns, though, I actually rarely bother with them outside of a few obvious (and not so obvious) situations.Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »Always wondered if attack charms would improve BB healing, though. It doesn't consume any charms, not for casting nor for the ticks.
Guess it's just a bit hard to test.
Does it consume when you use the initial skill?
Does it work if you cast a heal on someone?
If it does my guess would be yes for the initial heal proc but after no?
Interesting point raised thoughSirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »1 more question, can you get the charms with gold medals also? Or do you have to really watch the time and wait with handing in if you are to fast
Silver / Bronze only0 -
Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »Meh, you can't use att charms with G16 weapons
EDIT: 1 more question, can you get the charms with gold medals also? Or do you have to really watch the time and wait with handing in if you are to fast
Silver and bronzes.Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »Always wondered if attack charms would improve BB healing, though. It doesn't consume any charms, not for casting nor for the ticks.
Guess it's just a bit hard to test.
Speaking of which, I wonder if charms still get consumed for buffing. Been so long since I saw it and started religiously unequipping them while buffing I forgot if it was fixed or not.0 -
Does it consume when you use the initial skill?
Does it work if you cast a heal on someone?
If it does my guess would be yes for the initial heal proc but after no?
Interesting point raised though
For the initial skill: No.
For other heals: I would say yes, but after testing it, it doesn't. I am 100% sure that heals used to consume charms before. I guess it got changed?Speaking of which, I wonder if charms still get consumed for buffing. Been so long since I saw it and started religiously unequipping them while buffing I forgot if it was fixed or not.
Not anymore.
This makes me think that heals were never affected by attack charms and that they just fixed it so those skills don't consume them.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Well that's why I stack Pdef and use mdef charms. It's just not worth it besides skills like Arma or any other high physical DPH coming to eat your face off.
Does it consume when you use the initial skill?
Does it work if you cast a heal on someone?
If it does my guess would be yes for the initial heal proc but after no?
Interesting point raised though
Silver / Bronze only
I am not 100% sure, but I believe attack charms do get used while you are in dragon's breath. So if they work for healing, I gues they'd work for BB every tick.
Would be kinda a waste though, as most clerics already have more than enough magic attack to overheal9 out of 10 voices in my head say I'm not crazy... the 10th is singing the music of tetris0 -
Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »For the initial skill: No.
For other heals: I would say yes, but after testing it, it doesn't. I am 100% sure that heals used to consume charms before. I guess it got changed?
Not anymore.
In that case maybe they stopped being consumed for heals as part if the fix for being consumed for buffs... which means I'd assume they don't affect heals as well like how if you equip them and swap to a weapon they don't work with they'll have no effect and won't be consumed .0 -
Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »I am not 100% sure, but I believe attack charms do get used while you are in dragon's breath. So if they work for healing, I gues they'd work for BB every tick.
Would be kinda a waste though, as most clerics already have more than enough magic attack to overheal
Heals also never produced the blue sparkle effect that Attack Charms give to skills, so maybe that's an indication?
Then again, Violet Dance and seals still consume the charms, yet the heal blocking skills do not.
And you can also not equip/unequip them in Violet Dance which is also fairly annoying b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »Heals also never produced the blue sparkle effect that Attack Charms give to skills, so maybe that's an indication?
Then again, Violet Dance and seals still consume the charms, yet the heal blocking skills do not.
And you can also not equip/unequip them in Violet Dance which is also fairly annoying b:chuckle
Like barbs and venos in beast form. Interesting note. Perhaps a bug.0 -
Like barbs and venos in beast form. Interesting note. Perhaps a bug.
Nah, they just implented violet dance in the exact same way as true form, fox form, and all other shapeshift skills. Part of this system is that your gear is locked9 out of 10 voices in my head say I'm not crazy... the 10th is singing the music of tetris0 -
H0w is this even a secret that is w0rthy 0f praise? If pe0ple w0uld simply take the time t0 actually read things rather than just mindlessly play they w0uld kn0w this. Just like the FF green gear int0 exp that was p0sted a very very l0ng time ag0. And besides again if s0me pe0ple actually t00k the time t0 0bserve 0ther NPC's they w0uld have seen this *Facepalm*.0
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I've kept the good stuff to myself still :P
Any tiny hints, references to the good stuff? Just want to see if i am missing some aspect of the game b:pleased
Dan posted about those charms in bm forum 6~12 months ago? My faction does it for apoc items, so we usually get gold before tw b:angry. I will die more often and get silver medals b:cute.0
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