My barby again

Vindis - Dreamweaver

Ok guys. My barb is level 96 now. He is still rocking some tt90+2/3 armors and I recently upgraded his wep to the TT90+5 green hammer gonna make the Tt99 Anchor.

He is an alt, but I am not sure where to go on armor for him now. Is it better to just make him a set of green/gold lunar? r8? Or should I do something different? Is TT90 adequate for BH tanking? I would primarily use him for Delta/Other BHs when I can't find a tank and maybe some Nirvy tanking for squishy friends. Right now he has no trouble at all dying in FC and can do a lot of things without heals just because Invoke/Sunder/SS/ToP is pretty OP. I mention Lunar over TT99 because Lunar is a lot easier for me to farm on my archer and it is trade able if I choose a different path.

I just passed him my Warsoul+6 and soon he will get my Old Glorious Robe Torment+5 as well. He has 15k hp in Tiger and has a few sage skills already learned (Feral Regen, Ream, Alacrity, Stomp, A/H Mastery, Poison Fang, True Form and Shapeshifting).

I also have a question regarding Vit. His current build plan is 300 str 150 vit 60 dex at 100. Would statting out like 50 or 100 vit possibly be beneficial to his aggro ability in any way? I do not know how much the extra Vit contributes to Arma damage. Currently Arma hits like a truck.

Thanks in advance barbarians

BloodTyrant - Raging Tide

Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Ok guys. My barb is level 96 now. He is still rocking some tt90+2/3 armors and I recently upgraded his wep to the TT90+5 green hammer gonna make the Tt99 Anchor.

He is an alt, but I am not sure where to go on armor for him now. Is it better to just make him a set of green/gold lunar? r8? Or should I do something different? Is TT90 adequate for BH tanking? I would primarily use him for Delta/Other BHs when I can't find a tank and maybe some Nirvy tanking for squishy friends. Right now he has no trouble at all dying in FC and can do a lot of things without heals just because Invoke/Sunder/SS/ToP is pretty OP. I mention Lunar over TT99 because Lunar is a lot easier for me to farm on my archer and it is trade able if I choose a different path.

I just passed him my Warsoul+6 and soon he will get my Old Glorious Robe Torment+5 as well. He has 15k hp in Tiger and has a few sage skills already learned (Feral Regen, Ream, Alacrity, Stomp, A/H Mastery, Poison Fang, True Form and Shapeshifting).

since you prefer lunar armor over TT, i suggest you to get r8 for now, farm lunar, get lunar pieces > nirv it. i know nirv is a bit hard to farm with an archer or barb, but with hard work u can make it =D also, since you love the barbs survival skills, start your morai quests, go to shroud, and get the skill Cornered Beast.

Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I also have a question regarding Vit. His current build plan is 300 str 150 vit 60 dex at 100. Would statting out like 50 or 100 vit possibly be beneficial to his aggro ability in any way? I do not know how much the extra Vit contributes to Arma damage. Currently Arma hits like a truck.

Thanks in advance barbarians

i don't really advice you to add more than 300 str if you're not aps or pvp barb, even with a good hammer like r8r/nirv you still won't be able to get a sin +10 aggro. so unless you get an endgame axe and more hp i suggest you to keep your build, if you like to arma every1, u can restat some str points to vit, 50 points give u a boost of 850 hp base and won't be a big loss to dmg.

_Mg_Zr - Heavens Tear

TT90 armour is sufficient enough to tank rb (never tried the new SoT or Abba bosses in TT90) but id advise getting r8 just to make things easier for your self and the squad.
Unless you plan to pvp with your barb i wouldnt bother gearing up past r8 or statting over 300 str.

Maelael - Heavens Tear

_Mg_Zr - Heavens Tear wrote: »

TT90 armour is sufficient enough to tank rb (never tried the new SoT or Abba bosses in TT90) but id advise getting r8 just to make things easier for your self and the squad.
Unless you plan to pvp with your barb i wouldnt bother gearing up past r8 or statting over 300 str.

TT90 is plenty for BH100s if you have around 15/16k hp or more - on the rare occasions you can get aggro on these bosses. It only gets iffy if Snake in Metal goes on forever and he super frenzies.

Ideally coordinate with your squads - be the puller, combo your sunders and armas with their aoes, and ensure the boss is devoured at all times. If by the grace of god aggro is improved with the class balance patch, then I'd say get some more vit/refines/etc.

Skip lunar, its not a huge improvement tbh. R8 is fairly cheap comparatively for a really good upgrade if you don't plan to upgrade past that.

Stop at 300 green Strength for PvE. Essentially whatever you need to equip your weapon you plan to keep for a long time (less if you don't go the R8 route).

WnbTank - Archosaur

I actually dont find R8 good for PvE at all, it`s still what, 72g on sale? That`s 80-90m coins, which could pretty much get you full set of TT99, instead of chest & leggins and wep, that was never intended to shine on PvE. And even TT99 is more than enough for PvE, you could go full G15 morai if you have no intention to PvP too - expenses similar to getting R8 but instead of 3 pieces of gear, you`d get pretty much full set of gear.

Maelael - Heavens Tear

WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »

I actually dont find R8 good for PvE at all, it`s still what, 72g on sale? That`s 80-90m coins, which could pretty much get you full set of TT99, instead of chest & leggins and wep, that was never intended to shine on PvE. And even TT99 is more than enough for PvE, you could go full G15 morai if you have no intention to PvP too - expenses similar to getting R8 but instead of 3 pieces of gear, you`d get pretty much full set of gear.

Your server has really cheap TT mats then. If they are that cheap on DW, then totally TT99 set with Morai G15s is a good option (or full Morai G15).

Menarin - Dreamweaver

Idk how cheap the TT mats are since I never really looked into it. I know that it took about 9.5mil to get all the mats to Make Anchor of Chaos or whatever the 99 gold hammer is called. I used to have a Pan Gu+5, but I felt that I had enough survivability and its damage was slipping. I consider the 99 Hammer an upgrade over it (That and I managed to make 11 mil selling it over its cost of 4mil+mirages).

Currently I am still investing in my archer's g15 stuff. He still needs the cape and wep and some Full WS to get more molds (only have Cape mold in bank atm, but I have almost 60 badges). I get caster fairly easily on my server so it isn't that big of an issue farming for cannies/raps. He is pure bow so I can't really farm TT with him, though I have done some duo stuff with a sin friend. Lunar is just easy though. The pulls are easy and Sage BoA is nice. But I digress.

I could go r8, but I just don't want it to feel like a waste of an investment. I felt like that on my archer after a certain point. By no means will my barb become a main, but I do invest some coin into him and he is my only alt. I enjoy playing him a lot and I utilize a lot of different skills on him and regularly go human to aoe stuff when I know I can't keep aggro (cough vortex cough). I suppose I may have to take time and mess around with pwcalc some. I don't have an up to date calc of my barb yet and have been too lazy to make one between work days >.>;

Also thanks for the morai tip. Is the general consensus that shroud should be first for barbs? What of the other orders (Yes, I haven't really put any thought into barbs and morai yet)? My archer almost has his last skill from Lumi so I know all of the quests and stuff, but I never really looked into the PvE gear since my archer was built towards TW and my barb was like level 40 when Morai came out lols.

Ty for all the input so far btws

Vindis - Dreamweaver

Menarin - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Idk how cheap the TT mats are since I never really looked into it. I know that it took about 9.5mil to get all the mats to Make Anchor of Chaos or whatever the 99 gold hammer is called. I used to have a Pan Gu+5, but I felt that I had enough survivability and its damage was slipping. I consider the 99 Hammer an upgrade over it (That and I managed to make 11 mil selling it over its cost of 4mil+mirages).

Currently I am still investing in my archer's g15 stuff. He still needs the cape and wep and some Full WS to get more molds (only have Cape mold in bank atm, but I have almost 60 badges). I get caster fairly easily on my server so it isn't that big of an issue farming for cannies/raps. He is pure bow so I can't really farm TT with him, though I have done some duo stuff with a sin friend. Lunar is just easy though. The pulls are easy and Sage BoA is nice. But I digress.

I could go r8, but I just don't want it to feel like a waste of an investment. I felt like that on my archer after a certain point. By no means will my barb become a main, but I do invest some coin into him and he is my only alt. I enjoy playing him a lot and I utilize a lot of different skills on him and regularly go human to aoe stuff when I know I can't keep aggro (cough vortex cough). I suppose I may have to take time and mess around with pwcalc some. I don't have an up to date calc of my barb yet and have been too lazy to make one between work days >.>;

Also thanks for the morai tip. Is the general consensus that shroud should be first for barbs? What of the other orders (Yes, I haven't really put any thought into barbs and morai yet)? My archer almost has his last skill from Lumi so I know all of the quests and stuff, but I never really looked into the PvE gear since my archer was built towards TW and my barb was like level 40 when Morai came out lols.

Ty for all the input so far btws

Thats my post ^

WnbTank - Archosaur

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Your server has really cheap TT mats then. If they are that cheap on DW, then totally TT99 set with Morai G15s is a good option (or full Morai G15).

Well I was only counting the armor pieces tbh and even still, might be cutting it close. But being honest, I do prefer TT99 set over R8, for reason or the other I`ve never liked it much.

Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear

Just a brief comparison of available armors that you can get:

Why people choose TT99 over the Gold lunar?
1. TT99 are cheaper than Gold Lunar (TT99 cost 12~14mil for arm, ~25mil each for the rest; gold lunar cost roughly 30mil+ each)
2. You may argue that you can farm lunar, but the fact still remains that you still need 4 x Sacred Mother's Aura (which can only be farmed in TT or chippped for 3.5mil each) and the other gold lunar mats (Tinders) have very low drop rate and potentially need to be chipped.
3. TT99 have more useful add-ons, it gives a $h!t load of vitality & Hp. On the other hand, lunar gives a $h!t load of strength (and numerous other wasted add-ons) which is not 'that useful' if you already have a weak weapon or already have over 300 strength.
4. TT99 have set bonus. Get 4 pieces of TT99 for extra 15 vit bonus.
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[note: gold lunar refines a little bit better than TT99 because it is one grade higher but it also cost higher to add a 3rd socket for lunar, a 3rd socket on a TT99 armor cost roughly 6mil in socket stones.]

Why people choose R8 over TT99?
1. R8 have better p-def/m-def than TT99
2. R8 have guaranteed 3 sockets and its easy to get an armor with the 4 sockets by spamming the quest everyday. More sockets = more Hp.
3. R8 gives a bigger $h!t load of vitality & Hp than TT99.
4. R8 comes with a complimentary weapon that is a lot better than any TT99/TT100 weapon or even 1st stage nirvana dual axes. [The weapon alone is sufficient reason to get R8, it does not mean that you are bound to wear the R8 armors if you dont want to]
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[however, R8 only comes in chest & leg armors, which means that you still need to get other arms and boots]

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BH ABA/SOT
Anything with more than 12k hp and decent p-def can tank the boss. TT90 are more than enough.

BH Warsong: Metal & Fire
The general requirement is a lot of magic defence for the mobs. If you can't get enough m-def from TT90 armors, you will have to get it from shards or m-def necklace/belt/sign of frost chaos or upgrade your armor to anything above TT90. If not, the mob's magic AOE will just peel through your armor and defences, which means that you will have to fight for your life even inside BB. [having a better armor than TT90 is not critical but it can make your life much easier and save money on crab meat/genie stamina/charm ticks/etc...]

BH RB Wave 2
Nothing to worry about if you have a decent squad.

BH Lunar & RB Wave3/full RB
You need a $h!t load of m-def/Hp to do those big pulls: same as BH warsong but in much worst and if you die, there is high probability that half of the squad will go along with you. If you dont have at least 15k HP and good m-def (and/or an hp-charm), try to avoid doing those.

EndNote:
Although it does not take much to "survive" your BH100's, you will need more than that to hold aggro (holding aggro is the other half of the concept of "tanking"). The reason to hold aggro is to protect the squishy archers/wizzies during pulls and to keep a continuous flow of chi through bestial rage. It means that from time to time, you will need to drop an arma and you need armor better than the minimum requirement if you dont want to kill yourself on that arma. Also, almost nobody will take you to nirvana to "tank", they might take you for the buffs, for the devour or to take advantage of you 99 keys but not to tank. That's because, even if you try fking hard, you will never see a glimpse of aggro from the boss, especially with aps sins/Bm sparking on an HF-able boss (with a few exception).

augustfinknottle

Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I mention Lunar over TT99 because Lunar is a lot easier for me to farm on my archer and it is trade able if I choose a different path.

Don't go Lunar. In fact, lunar can't be quite considered an "upgrade" compared to TT90 in low refines.

TT90: http://www.pwcalc.com/980e63ac7c268813
Lunar Gold: http://www.pwcalc.com/87b2c17e51c0cdb0

A difference of a bit over 1k p.def and 200 m.def. in favor of lunar, and 200-300 p.attack. On the other hand, TT90 at +3 refines (lowish, but enough for tanking any BH100) gives you just over 1k extra HP to make up for the losses.

Point being, if it's just an alt for PVE purposes, you'd better refine your whole gear to +5, weapon +6, still saving on what you'd need for lunar (even if you farm lunar, you could always sell the mats for a profit) and still having a lot left to use on other toons.

This is a very decent build for an alt: http://www.pwcalc.com/a8450ff47ea17747

Now, if you really want to get a different gear, either TT99 or R8 would be way better than lunar gold.

TT99: http://www.pwcalc.com/db7a207492f2cc85 (1.5k hp more at same, low refines, almost 1k p.def, 100 more m.def., 200-300 less p.att.)

Now with TT99 and R8 mix: http://www.pwcalc.com/9f997b67ac6b4a27 (you lose a bit on the HP, compared to 4 pieces of TT99, since you lose the 15vit bonus, but your p.def. skyrockets).

Best option would probably be 4 pieces of TT99 with R8 hammer, but the cheapest one, full tt90, wouldn't be bad at all. Then again, there's also the Full morai gear option, with the perks of slaying and warding levels making up for the low base numbers.

What I would probably do is stick to TT90, refine it to +5 and keep it. If, eventually, I decided to upgrade it, I'd just sell it and go straight to nirvana (probably lunar nirvana, so I can trade it later). There's no sense on someone walking around with lunar gold gear as endgame imo.

Jaabg - Sanctuary

I am in the similar boat as OP. Lunar is far easier for me to farm than higher lvl tt's. That being said, lunar 95 green = better for my sage barb, than the gold version. Nirvana first cast started beating out, 2nd cast got ahead, and g16 was the best i could get. TT90 = easy farming, very doable. Make both sets, refine similarly, and see which you like.

For me the reason why i am going lunar, i can farm the mats over a years time for the barb alt, on my slow pace with friends, to make it g15/g16. I can switch the gear around for seeker to. So for me tt90 green, lunar 95 green are acceptable solutions for a bar. TT 99 gold how ever is not acceptable, because that is a coin sink i don't want to commit for an alt. That is why i'll eventually be going the lunar path to g16. Maybe the OP has similar idea, thought, inclinations for the lunar path as opposed to the TT path.

All that being said, i hardly use my alts in an active manner, they are mostly shops and key collectors and openers. Buffing to. I play on them from time to time, and learn how to use skills and enjoy playing them. I would not go into bh with my alts, simply because even if they are g16+10 gear, they'll somehow die. I know it b:shocked.