What BH Do You Hate?

stinks

BH Lunar means I play a different game for the day.

What BH Do You Hate?

Descendus - Lost City

Also hate Lunar, I don't particularly enjoy WS either as Snake Fist hits really hard when he's on low health and frenzies, but then again thats what I get for being an Assassin. I'd let the barb tank if A) we had one and We didn't get squad wiped by Snake's AoE because we took too long killing him. b:cry

danilco

Ya BH Lunar is the worst for so many different reasons, I wish they would take it out of the bh line up.

Nariin - Dreamweaver

I like lunar b:avoid

Dragoneast - Sanctuary

Lunar can be worth it during x2, when you go until the last boss and get 2 EoD, that would cover your expenses, during normal, 1 EoD should cover entrance fee too, but you make less money out of it. Delta gives coins/stage, abba and seat give item drops, enough to cover the teleport fees, so only on Lunar one can really lose alot of money...

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary

Lunar and Delta, occasionally metal also if we get fail randoms.

Wickedbrew - Raging Tide

None of those. I hate 59. Tedious monotony

AlysonRose - Heavens Tear

I chose Warsong on the poll. I hate the fact that you have to show up, use mirages, and then waste 20 min that could be spent doing anything else waiting for it to do its thing.

I hate that what used to be a simple process of luring the stun mobs and aoeing the rest, or SAFELY aoeing them all so that no one dies from assault/magic + dinos and the cleric can keep bb up, has turned into watching bms and sins die from all the metal damage and people having to wait for them to get back so that we can kill the boss while our charms tick.

Seriously I'm sick of wasting even more time for you people with 1k metal defense sneak in between one shots so that you can actually get credit for the kill you have nothing to do with while people that SHOULD be DDing have to ineffectually spam heal you or get kicked for not even trying to keep you alive.

But what really annoys me, and has forced me to stop running warsong entirely is that people want you so stick around for the mold bosses. They never ask, or advertise it beforehand, but when you leave they rage.

Why? Why would I want to stay and help you kill an unnecessary boss that has little chance of dropping a mold I can even use? Especially since I don't want or need any of them.

I like doing SoT and Aba. I actually liked them the way they were as well. I can't say I'm unhappy with how quick and easy they have become, but when its the main thing you do in a given day, and when you only do them and RB for BHs its kinda unsatisfying to rush in and get it done so quick.

EDIT: wouldn't it be nice if instead of having to go to warsong or lunar, they did what they did with SoT and Aba and added new bosses to kill for bh? They could put one in the unused sections of fb51 and fb79 since they took out the doors and people have no reason to go there anymore.

Other than for cuprite. Or they could just be really lazy and make Onyx and Alabastor transience into replacement BH bosses so that people have a reason to ever go back in to the largely unused cave of sadistic glee lol

truekossy

Only BHs I hate are ones with idiots that repeatedly do stupid things to make it more painful on the rest of the squad and don't listen.

And even then it's only when I can't boot them and they're being so horribad I can't just ignore/laugh at them while I solo.

FkinMaltaMan - Sanctuary

BH delta. I'm lazy when it comes to BHs overall but when I do delta it feels like I'm forced to arma because I just love to see the damage I do b:surrender ends up with a lot of charm ticks in the end.

And ye, I'm a barb... Falling asleep of running back and fourth like 10-15 times.

Xainou - Sanctuary

Can't decide between metal and delta, tbh. Both are so fatal if you get fail people...

Jaabg - Sanctuary

Wickedbrew - Raging Tide wrote: »

None of those. I hate 59. Tedious monotony

I will help on all bh lvls except that one. People don't have it stacked, they go afk, and easily turn this bh into 1h+

AlysonRose - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I chose Warsong on the poll. I hate the fact that you have to show up, use mirages, and then waste 20 min that could be spent doing anything else waiting for it to do its thing.

I hate that what used to be a simple process of luring the stun mobs and aoeing the rest, or SAFELY aoeing them all so that no one dies from assault/magic + dinos and the cleric can keep bb up, has turned into watching bms and sins die from all the metal damage and people having to wait for them to get back so that we can kill the boss while our charms tick.

You seem to be going with what we usually refer to fail squads. Most often when i go with friends for bh, even if we are not doing full warsong. We defend the pavillions rather than go afk. Simply because when the quest starts, only half the mobs are there. Who ever is pulling, pulls half the mobs, or all the mobs in metal, and we aoe them in 30 seconds~2 minutes. We do the same with fire. Basically in 4~5 minutes, both paths to fire and metal boss are cleared out. Bosses take 15 seconds~2 minutes themselves. If the dd is low, veno purging the boss, helps. People who are not tanking, can switch to purge weapons to.

Do the bms in your squad use magic marrow when dealing with mobs in fire, metal? That is your first sign to bail from that squad. Are they using aoe, or sticking with spark and aps? Is the barb using invoke before pulling? There are some small things each classes do, that makes this run fun and fast. If people are not doing those things, the experience is painful.

The squad experience you describe is something i see in world chat. People just band together to do warsong, without having the skills, equpiment or knowledge about it. Sad reality of the game. Warsong is not hard, people just make it harder on themselves.

To the OP's post, i hate seat of torment. Only boss where i can not spark at all. I have to be careful on cyclone heel as well. Since i can not tank that boss, i dare not take agro on it.

Nniotora - Lost City

i hate the 1 that takes longest which is ws ws is 30min+ including w8
aba is 7min cv=20min sot=5min gv=23min so yea any that takes long i hate plz note these times is me solo on seeker

Nana_PL - Raging Tide

Personally, I love warsong the most, also really enjoy SOT and ABA, often going for full after I'm done with my bh, just for fun and if I get some books thn wooot! extra money b:chuckle But yeah, Lunar... guess mainly beacuse of the fee... makes me often not do it at all, unless it's x2, that's when it can actually bring some money instead of loosing lol. Ah and since I've hit 100, I've got an ecstasy card from BH Lunar only once in my life lols, usually getting chips and mirages, so I kinda gave up on doing Lunar BH when there's no x2 b:surrender

MistaBwanden - Sanctuary

Man, people keep crying over Lunar fee. Do the run until the final advanced boss, get the EoD, sell for 3mil... Squad gets fee back + reward.

Tigriss_o - Raging Tide

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Annalyse - Heavens Tear

It is a toss-up between Lunar and Warsong for me. I chose Lunar in the poll because I just end up skipping it, but really I only dislike it if we get it several days in a row. Otherwise, it just gives me a day to concentrate on lower alts. So I guess Warsong is probably at the top of my list, for two reasons: the wait time for opening, and the fact that out of the 5 times I run it when it is BH, at least 4 will be messy and frustrating.

It mostly comes down to people not listening, in Warsong. Cleric puts BB up and someone pulls with genie right into BB, bringing all of the mobs and dropping BB. You tell them not to do that but what happens? Someone runs off and pulls runner into BB again. And once you finally get past the mess of mobs, there will often be someone that will pull aggro on boss, die instantly, and expect the group to hold it while they run back. Which often results in a squad wipe. And then, when you finally are finished and feeling ready to strangle someone, they demand the second boss which some people have absolutely no need of, and get mad if you leave.

I have good runs with faction/friends but that only covers 1-2 of my BHs. I've started skipping some of my other Warsong BHs lately because randoms are getting annoying.

scruncy

i really dont understand the whining about warsong here.
I play a barb and i must say 9out 10 runs nothing ever goes wrong at this BH.
If I am making a squad for this BH i dont care about classes or gear.
I have run this with 4sins+cleric or with 3 veno's in squad. I had people with tt90 gear....
I hardly face any problems and I am really not a super pro OP barb ( claw barb with low hp ).
I dont even wear a charm.
And even if there is a squad wipe, big deal , u dont loose exp so just do it again.
Its rather annoying when people start to whine about it and cant get over it.

As for the vile versions of bosses, whats the big deal to stay an additional 3min and finish it completly? I dont need the mold's anymore but I am always in need of the badges.
I find it extremly silly and stupid if people run away after half the Bosses are done ( same goes for Lunar 3rd valley and primal fear ). Thats extremly egoistic in my eyes.

To add to the topic , I dont have Bh's I hate. I got some I like more then others which is : Warsong , Delta and Abbadon. The reason is that I always have BH2 stacked up and those Bh's give additional Nirvana Talismans and Exp.

Euthymius - Heavens Tear

MistaBwanden - Sanctuary wrote: »

Man, people keep crying over Lunar fee. Do the run until the final advanced boss, get the EoD, sell for 3mil... Squad gets fee back + reward.

This. There really is no reason to complain about the fee anymore.

Warsong's waiting period is a tad annoying, but one can always play in the pavillions in the meantime if they dont wish to simply wait.

The ones I loathe the most are Abaddon and SoT. Mainly because even now others would still rather twitch the boss dead (and likely fail to do so) rather than to use skills or take more archers/casters with them. In the end, it just endangers the squad/prolongs the battle, making the bosses much more of a headache than they need to be (especially in Abaddon where others wont stop attacking when Bloodrush is active). Pointless, pointless, pointless, pointless...

While I'm not a fan of Warsong, I'd visit that place and Lunar far more willingly than I would an SoT/Abaddon.

stinks

Just want to say good feed back so far. I did make a post for what BH do you like most but it got Spamed out by the Spam-Bots.

Pls remeber when giving your opinion, to be nice to others opinion. They may not have the same expereances as you. Good advice is always nice, calling ppl QQ's for giving there input is not.

All opinions are valad and the gm's might even learn a few things from our imput. Keep it coming.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

Wickedbrew - Raging Tide wrote: »

None of those. I hate 59. Tedious monotony

At least it's easy to solo. >_> I got so many molds doing that... But then again, I did that when molds were actually worth something.

Reliea - Sanctuary

Lunar.
I don't care if people think you could recoup your money selling mats, I just don't believe that one should have to pay -that- much money for a BH to begin with. Paying mirages for stuff, no big deal, MQ n turn my Talis in and I could cover that every day, but I still find playing cash to do a dungeon ludicrous.
Wouldn't matter if I was a PWIbillionare, I still wouldn't do Lunar.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Lunar just because I've never been. Most people avoid doing that one in world chat, and my faction mates didn't like to do it either. The friends that did usually had it done before I logged on because my playtime is really sporadic. b:surrender


Also, I hate bh69. I'm well aware that is the best BH training ground for lowbies, period. I can't think of a single better BH at teaching people their classes and what to expect from level 100 stuff. Debuffs, AOES, wine costs, magic damage, physical damage, mobs that kite, etc, etc. But, it's exactly because it's a training ground and so much harder than anything prior to it (and I often have to teach people what to do in there) that I just find it annoying after all this time. Plus I just hate 20x3, it's tedious. There's always one that doesn't know what to do and makes the whole thing harder than it has to be.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Lunar, i don't like the 10 minutes waiting on warsong, but the bh is fast after that.

kawaiijen

I don't think I hate any BH. Though if I HAD to pick one i liked the least it would be lunar mostly because since I take randoms who can't find people in my squads I tend to have to pretty much solo that instance since they usually dont have adequate gear to do much.

Jaabg - Sanctuary

scruncy wrote: »

( same goes for Lunar 3rd valley and primal fear ). Thats extremly egoistic in my eyes.

I am always pleased when my squad leaves after the bh boss and i only had to pay 500k. I finish things up, call friends over, and we split the drops. I usually end up making 2.5m+ depending on gold mats. By all means, everyone leave squad after the bh boss.

I go back and kill the bm wygie, friends have the cleric wygie to, makes it so much more fun.

Ripokeke - Sanctuary

i chose delta cause i'm not really an AOE dd...

SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver

Let me get this right. People don't like lunar because there is a fee and don't like warsong because of a small wait at the start. Guess this game really has just become a money driven game, noone plays for the fun or any sort of challenge.

I personally really enjoy both Lunar and Warsong and farm them a lot. Both involve more than just spark apsing a few bosses and really highlight the people that need to work on their gear...

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

I like Lunar, but I hate the path BH is on. I think its probably the least rewarding of the paths as far as drops are concerned. And anytime I try to organize a different path Lunar run "Can we do BH boss?" No. Its also just hard to find decent squads because people don't like the 3m starting cost, even though you're guaranteed at least a 3 mil drop. You end up having to settle for squadmates you wouldn't normally run with and that can be trying.

Delta is what I voted for as worst BH.

Mostly because people get so picky about squad makeup. Seriously, its pretty much soloable for a decent bm/barb/seeker with bloodpaint. A cleric is nice. So 4 spots can be whatever they want. But people insist on building a "wizard, archer, seeker, bm, barb, cleric" squad. What about paint? I don't even need a cleric if I have paint: 'Sins aren't aoe dd's". We may only have 2/3 aoes but one is a 30% amp and the other hits fricken hard, 400% weapon damage, not to mention chill of the deep or Wolf Emblem. Half the time my sin pulls aggro from the seeker and keeps it.

Can't find a barb? BMs need to man up and pull.
Can't find a barb? Seekers need to man up and pull. Use ranged dd to move casters up into vortex.
Can't find a barb? Range catch with an archer who stays inside of bb. Keep mobs stunned/knockbacked long enough that he can survive.

I've even pulled on my sin:focused mind, sprint in, aoe, teleport to bb. AD if you need to aoe twice because you missed mobs.

Not to mention at about stage 2 wave 4 someone always "want to go through stage 3?" No. I don't need to spend 2 vacs, 12 more minutes, and 75k on repairs for an experience orb. When squad was made "Stage 2" was specified.

Also, Delta 2 is where I get the pickiest about squad play. BMs that can't time HF. Squads that can't stack debuffs. Archers that attack melee instead of range. I have time in between to perv on peoples gear and judge them, especially clerics since vitality, low refines, or bad weapons are especially noticable. Afk players are noticable... Delta just gives me too much time to judge people and brood about their failings and it gets me kind of pissy.

Lastly, Delta 2 is 25 minutes. An amazing Aba squad can be done in 7 minutes. Similar Seats. I've done 5 minute Metals. Lunar is longer but its active with multiple bosses. Delta 2 is ~25 minutes whether you're awesome or suck because of the timed stages. In fact, the better you are the more time you spend sitting around doing nothing.

p.s. Those complaining about Metal timer. Get a friend, start the instance, then make the squad. Squadmates will be happy because they can save 20k flying in. You'll be happy because you aren't wasting time making a squad, that just becomes part of metal timer. I've seen people WC for barbs for 20 minutes, I switch, join their squad, and they start timer >.< They made Metal a 35 minute wait, basically.

PheosNyx - Sanctuary

I actually like the wait at the beginning of warsong o.o it's usually enough time for me to do the dishes/start the next load of laundry/take out the trash. Plus, sometimes I just open it with me and my alt and invite people once timer is done, not a huge deal.

I dislike Lunar because of the difficulty in finding decent players to run it - I also agree that we shouldn't have to front the cost for a potentially bad investment. I usually spend Lunar days doing things that normally would be dedicated as BH time (like 8 toons worth of OHT daily and TQ). I dont do lunar but i dont mind lunar days as long as it's not two in a row.

I actually really like delta bh, I have all 10 classes and I get into delta squads fairly easily on most of them.

I have the most amount of trouble getting into seat/aba bosses on most of my alts. People seem to think the only way to kill the bosses is to HF/APS it to death in 10 seconds.

Empu - Sanctuary

I think SoT/Aba/Metal are all 3 to fast to really find it a bother. I usually ask friends while cleaning, and if nobody needs I just solo them or fill squad at boss with wc. The only problem is they get a bit monotone after a while. But well, who cares if a 15~20min run gets 2 bh done.

I don't like the fee part on Lunar, because it makes it hard to find squads. Soloing with the fee considered, just takes to much time and resources to be worth it, so this is a bh I normally find a squad for before going in. It just takes pretty damn long, which is a pitty because I think it's the most fun instance for bh (maybe also cause I spammed it less thent he rest).

Delta is the bh I dislike most. Ppl are picky, many don't do the wave 3 boss even if it doesn't take much extra time, I feel it's the longest bh (not even sure if it really is, but feels like it), fail players are most noticeable in this instance, ppl are picky in squad setup, can't start it when there is still 1 missing, not easy to find squads because less ppl do it and when they do, they usually look for specific classes. So yeah, my vote goes to this one.

I do hope bh 3-3 comes back again. I liked that one. Also still hope they would put a bigger number off bh's. Several bosses off 3-3, all warsong bosses, all paths in Lunar, maybe even wave 4 and 5 for delta for those who like. Just to get more variation then the same bh, and blow some more life in other instances.