How much damage u do in caster vana?

Ripokeke - Sanctuary

hi all, i'm very interested to know abt this.

i'm a full AA, magic build veno thinking of changing to HA/AA (able to wear HA armors with magic weapon)

currently, i do min 5k to max 12k damage from wat i observed (min 7k with seeker). with critical goes up to max of 22k damage (last boss).

i would like to hear inputs from HA/AA build or LA build venos before i use my reset note to change my stats.

thanks!

b:thanks

Ripokeke - Sanctuary

why no one reply? b:sadb:cry

Xainou - Sanctuary

I don't run caster nirvana on my veno, sorry. b:surrender


But going into an instance that dishes out a lot of magic damage with HA and gimping your magic damage a good deal when bosses are physical immune seems not too smart, tbh.

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

Ripokeke - Sanctuary wrote: »

why no one reply? b:sadb:cry

because there is only vana on sanctuary

Ripokeke - Sanctuary

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

I don't run caster nirvana on my veno, sorry. b:surrender


But going into an instance that dishes out a lot of magic damage with HA and gimping your magic damage a good deal when bosses are physical immune seems not too smart, tbh.

my current magic stat is 460, if i restat to HA, it will most likely be 300.

my current build belt, neck and cape are for protection. they don't add to my magic stats or attacks. most notable change is my tome from +9 mag to +15 str.

and the two rings, which will be a total of -45 magic attack.

the reason for my this post is to find out actually how much damage reduction will there be when i restat.

b:surrender

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

because there is only vana on sanctuary

b:shocked this is not server specific...

Desdi - Sanctuary

My guess is that your damage will be gimped as much as if you were a vit-mag built since with too much vit you also gimp your damage and there are quite a few vit venos I've run caster with when I joined some random squads in the past with my cleric or psychic.

You'll definitely need an additional AA set with decent refines and whatnot because wearing HA in there is not a good option. For the bosses with phys. debuff you could wear half AA and half HA to increase your physical defence since you have the option to.

Now, I think it depends on your luck with squads. Some squads only want a venomancer for debuffs so they might not worry too much about your weapon and damage output but other squads might demand otherwise.

PS. Aren't you the veno I had in my full delta last week? I was on my psy Syedora.

Xainou - Sanctuary

Well, you could always directly compare the 2 set ups with http://pwcalc.com/

And pretty much what Desdi said. It would take a lot of working around and more investment. Especially since HA venos have to be careful with their stat points. I just don't know if it would be worth it, seeing caster vana as an instance. b:surrender


Heh, our server is the only one calling the place 'vana'. Other ones seem to have some problem with that. b:chuckle

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Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Now, I think it depends on your luck with squads. Some squads only want a venomancer for debuffs so they might not worry too much about your weapon and damage output but other squads might demand otherwise.

If your squad doesn't care; it's either already OP, charitable, or stupid. Typical squads (though not optimal) use 2 clerics. That often only leaves room for 4 decent DD's. Veno are able to dd as well as any other typical caster dd, so if it's expected of them; it should be expected of veno. Vit/HA venos just make a bad name for venos in PvE. Psys, mystics and wizards will be chosen over veno for it.

ZaioBaio - Raging Tide

http://www.pwcalc.com/638b5064433e0c0b --> average dmg in caster 11k (no crit)

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ZaioBaio - Raging Tide wrote: »

http://www.pwcalc.com/638b5064433e0c0b --> average dmg in caster 11k (no crit)

Did I miss where it gives average dmg?

Veno Sage Eruption: "Grants bonus damage equal to 900% of magic attack" - what other mage gets 900%? It's also 1 of 2 classes that gets a spam-able skill that gives chance for 30 chi. Over simplifying in this game doesn't work.

Ripokeke - Sanctuary

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well, you could always directly compare the 2 set ups with http://pwcalc.com/

And pretty much what Desdi said. It would take a lot of working around and more investment. Especially since HA venos have to be careful with their stat points. I just don't know if it would be worth it, seeing caster vana as an instance. b:surrender


Heh, our server is the only one calling the place 'vana'. Other ones seem to have some problem with that. b:chuckle

i did compare before, but i can't tell the actual damage done. i didn't know only sanctuary calls it caster vana b:chuckle but i can't change the thread title nowb:sad

thumbs wrote: »

If your squad doesn't care; it's either already OP, charitable, or stupid. Typical squads (though not optimal) use 2 clerics. That often only leaves room for 4 decent DD's. Veno are able to dd as well as any other typical caster dd, so if it's expected of them; it should be expected of veno. Vit/HA venos just make a bad name for venos in PvE. Psys, mystics and wizards will be chosen over veno for it.

the squads i usually go into, have wiz and psy, or 2 wiz/psy. i guess they already know venos/mystics do less damage then wiz/psy. unless is r9 mystic, but r9 veno still can't deliver...

ZaioBaio - Raging Tide wrote: »

http://www.pwcalc.com/638b5064433e0c0b --> average dmg in caster 11k (no crit)

it's not so simple b:shocked

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Ripokeke - Sanctuary wrote: »

the squads i usually go into, have wiz and psy, or 2 wiz/psy. i guess they already know venos/mystics do less damage then wiz/psy. unless is r9 mystic, but r9 veno still can't deliver...

The players in general; not the classes. My mystic +7 s3 had no problem with aggro over a R9 +10 psy and aggro doesn't count for the Mistress that's DD'ing on par.

Quilue - Sanctuary

Can't you guys just figure out how much damage you'd lose by restating?

Your current magic is 460

You're restating to 300

So here is the difference in attack multiplier:

(1 + 460/100 + 0.7) = 6.3

vs

(1 + 300/100 + 0.7) = 4.7

About 25% less damage if your weapons are the same. Since you lose 45 magic weapon attack from rings, you lose an additional ~300 damage on top of that.

Obviously if you 3 spark the difference is less.

Ripokeke - Sanctuary

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Can't you guys just figure out how much damage you'd lose by restating?

Your current magic is 460

You're restating to 300

So here is the difference in attack multiplier:

(1 + 460/100 + 0.7) = 6.3

vs

(1 + 300/100 + 0.7) = 4.7

About 25% less damage if your weapons are the same. Since you lose 45 magic weapon attack from rings, you lose an additional ~300 damage on top of that.

Obviously if you 3 spark the difference is less.

i checked the damage calculation, may i know where u get the +0.7? if no +0.7, it's 4 vs 5.6. which is around 30% damage reduction.

i'm interested in feedbacks from caster nirvana because there's damage reduction when hitting those bosses and i do caster daily. (and pets die too fast, further reducing damage output of venos)

b:sad

Quilue - Sanctuary

0.7 is cleric buff...I assume you'd be cleric buffed because you're talking about caster NV.

Baby_pho - Heavens Tear

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

I don't run caster nirvana on my veno, sorry. b:surrender

^ my veno's not HA armor but her dmg isnt compair with my other mages so im usually on my mages or on cleri healin. I'd rather have other peeps ampin/purgin for me anyways.

BungaSakura - Raging Tide

veno skill compare than other mage DD class is pretty low damage. In caster with my T3 =12 weapon, my average damage is from 14k-22k damage (no seeker debuff) and crit around 35k-40k. spark around 35k-45k and crit around 60k-70k. with HF around 100k -230k damage.

tweakz

BungaSakura - Raging Tide wrote: »

veno skill compare than other mage DD class is pretty low damage..

Substantiate

Vitenka - Dreamweaver

We're certainly lower spike damage - but over time? Our spells are mostly pretty low cast/channel and very spammable.

I wonder if we can position ourselves as the Spells-per-second class?

BungaSakura - Raging Tide

compare than mystic, their channeling is really fast and also their summon is really OP when the owner has OP gear. i think veno skill are very low damage compare than other class before cause we have pet to tank on everything. Sad thing, what happen now is our pet is pretty useless in most occasion. If we read http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1453961 and http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1413161

There are gonna be plan to upgrade on some veno skill and our pet ability. But i really dont know if this gonna answer all the problem with veno as class.

Quilue - Sanctuary

Every caster class has low chan/cast basic spells. Venos would lose to wizards not necessarily because of inferior high end spells but because of chi gain. However, veno + pet can still be a significant match until probably very high end gears.