NV and APS gear

_Charlex - Harshlands

Hey there i noticed that later on in the game that gearing up a sin can be costly although i ive found some thing i can do to make money like TT and merchanting, ijust have some questions when it come to gears and so on so here they are:

1. From reading the skills i have chosen to go sage but what i was thinking was if i can temporarily go demon for the spark and cheaper 5aps until i get sage skill and gear then switch so i was wondering if theres and item that allows this and there is can i have the name and price please.

2.Whats the minimum refines on gears and wep that i would need to start going NV.

3.If i get a team of people with 2.22-3.33 aps base or with spark to go NV could we be able to handle it or would we die because of the lack of speed or something?

4.i was thinking about carrying other classes for debuffs and such but i want to now whats the least number of aps lasses would i need for example i was thinking maybe BM,SIN,SIN,SEEKER,VENO this type of squad ok or can i only being in one of them or something?

5. im trying trying to keep it as cheap as i can so what the cheapest wep i can pull this off with?

ty for your timeb:victory

Olbaze - Sanctuary

_Charlex - Harshlands wrote: »

1. From reading the skills i have chosen to go sage but what i was thinking was if i can temporarily go demon for the spark and cheaper 5aps until i get sage skill and gear then switch so i was wondering if theres and item that allows this and there is can i have the name and price please.

2.Whats the minimum refines on gears and wep that i would need to start going NV.

3.If i get a team of people with 2.22-3.33 aps base or with spark to go NV could we be able to handle it or would we die because of the lack of speed or something?

4.i was thinking about carrying other classes for debuffs and such but i want to now whats the least number of aps lasses would i need for example i was thinking maybe BM,SIN,SIN,SEEKER,VENO this type of squad ok or can i only being in one of them or something?

5. im trying trying to keep it as cheap as i can so what the cheapest wep i can pull this off with?

1. There's a few issues with that. For one, 5 aps isn't that big anymore. Hell, as long as you got a decent faction or some 99 keys, you can get a squad.

2. There isn't really a minimum. Though since we're talking level 100+ here, I would say +5 on everything as a bare minimum.

3. Well yes you would, it would just take longer. The only boss that actually has a timer on them is the second one and personally I've never seen the boss go berserk.

4. Generally people want to have at least 1 BM, 1 sin, 1 veno. There aren't really any noteworthy debuffs after that. A seeker's buffs just don't give enough of a boost to cover the lost slot.

5. Barrier Thorn: Nirvana. That is, the G13 Nirvana dagger. This thing. Any other alternative is going to either cost far more (G16 Nirvana) or require that you have a Pan Gu, Creator (R8, R9, Hitman Legend), making it inefficient.

Though, as a 4.0 base Sage, I would say that 4.0 aps is enough for most cases. It allows me to cycle Subsea and Power Dash whenever they're out of cooldown. 5.0 is mostly just useful when you get sealed or have trouble surviving.

Oh and btw, an Assassin is the most expensive high aps class out there. Archer would be cheapest, followed by BM/Barb, then Assassin.

Tsyren - Archosaur

1. That's what I thought, too. It's a decent choice if you don't have a farming char, cashshop, or have friends that will take you to nirvy. I didn't have any of the 3 (My friends only PK, we all hate PvE anyways) so I went demon. Sage pending after I finalize my gear.

2. Typically, anything goes. But you'll need 3.33 R8 or 4aps nirvy at the least to get into World Chat Nirvana (the lowest rankings of them), with +5 or +6.
Gear is your choice. If you don't tank regularly, you don't need as much refines on armour, although I scorn people walking around with anything less than +4 refines.

3. Bring a cleric...? Typically, I never had trouble at a whole squad of 2.22 base R8, and things ran smoothly from 3.33R8/4Nirv onwards.

4. Sin x 4, BM x 1, Veno x 1. Sometimes, the BM and Veno get replaced by Seekers, or Clerics, or Barbs, but people always have to have a BM in an aps squad. Get buffing alts for cleric and barb boofs.

5. Personally, I think Nirvana gear. Easier to get into 4aps/5aps squads with it as most people don't care its dps is identical to R8 3.33.
But PLEASE, do NOT think about going into Nirvana with the "minimum". That is pathetic and you ruin it for your squad and yourself, if you can't stay alive.

_Charlex - Harshlands

Sorry i took so long to get back, i was busy >.<'.

WOW man you guys really just made my life alot more easy i was going to refine everything to AT LEAST 10 before even stepping a foot in NV but il just get it to like 6 the continues refining as time goes then and im also very happy to hear i can just go sage off the bat XD.

Thank you both so much and enjoy your day/night both of youb:victory

Salari - Raging Tide

Oh just for some info, you must complete your 100 cultivation to be able to switch from sage to demon and demon to sage. It is not a difficult task, but can be a long one for sins as it requires a few full deltas and that can be hard to get on a sin.

Cotillion - Dreamweaver

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

For one, 5 aps isn't that big anymore.

Sorry, I laughed at this. >.>
I was refused out of more than one squad when I had g15 +10 daggers w/SS because they didn't have interval on them at the time, hence not 5aps. And that was the sole reason for being refused (they outright said as much - and continued to WC)
If you're looking to farm Nirvana with random squads.....be forewarned, people are *******s over 5aps. Not everyone mind you, but from personal experience, some can and will be if you're not 5aps.
Though Olbaze hit it right with the rest, a good faction and 99keys and you're better off anyway than trying to run with random elitists. Even forming your own squads and finding some duo/trio/quad partners to add to the FL would be a better option.
And I am in no way saying you must be 5aps for Nirvana, becasue everyone's right here, you don't need to be. Just, if you don't know, be prepared for the random elitist rejection if you're not.

Empu - Sanctuary

_Charlex - Harshlands wrote: »

1. From reading the skills i have chosen to go sage but what i was thinking was if i can temporarily go demon for the spark and cheaper 5aps until i get sage skill and gear then switch so i was wondering if theres and item that allows this and there is can i have the name and price please.

2.Whats the minimum refines on gears and wep that i would need to start going NV.

3.If i get a team of people with 2.22-3.33 aps base or with spark to go NV could we be able to handle it or would we die because of the lack of speed or something?

4.i was thinking about carrying other classes for debuffs and such but i want to now whats the least number of aps lasses would i need for example i was thinking maybe BM,SIN,SIN,SEEKER,VENO this type of squad ok or can i only being in one of them or something?

5. im trying trying to keep it as cheap as i can so what the cheapest wep i can pull this off with?

1) Tbh, I think going demon to swap sage afterwards (or opposite) is just a waste of time and money. The only reason I see for changing is having expensive non-stashable gear and a major game change made you change your mind on your initial culti choice. But since you ask, you need celestial chism mold (10gold I think), something like 200 mirages and have your culti done till celestial sage/demon.

Overall, I always was opposed to the popular belief of sage being more expensive then sage. The point of "non-fail" in the eyes of random wc squads in terms of aps is exactly the same gear for sage as for demon. Ofc, refines have the same cost for both culties. And a real demon sin will want demon skills just as much as a sage wants sage skills.

As Olbaze said, 5 aps itself isn't all that important. It matters to wc squads only most of the time. Do you really want to go with those ? I know I don't. If you do plan on depending on wc, you will want 5 aps +10 with G15 zerk/gof minimum for weapon. But at that point, you're either **** or a fail player if you want or have to depend on wc for nirvana squads.

2) Thing is, nirvana itself is actually a really easy instance. If you consider a barb tanking, with healer etc etc, an 80s squad could do it if only they could enter (will be long though). If you consider wc squads, you will have to be 5 aps +10 with G15 zerk/gof to enter. I think, as sin you need to have at least 5k hp, and I'd say 6k+ to tank it. For weapon, I would say there is no real minimum rationally, but you will want r8 +5 or better for a run that won't last ages.

3) Nirvana is easy, the requirements are only for time efficiency. Ppl want to go faster cause canny prices get lower. Tbh, pretty much any squad will do. The bosses will do their tricks, so you will need to do the chests, dodge circles, etc. But even an 80s squad could finish. It's all about the time you are willing to spend.

4) Have someone who can tank, a healer and DD. Pretty much every class has something usefull to add. If you are not a fast squad, you will probably like 2 bms. If you can't find a veno, a cleric or barb will have a phys def debuff also. I don't like to spend 1h making a perfected squad, not worth the time imo. Usually, 2 good DD + 2 good debuffers + 2 free (can be healer, extra DD, usefull buffs, someone good at specific things like shooting black wings) is what I aim for.

5) If you really want 5 aps, cheapest weap would be claw lol. If not, I would got for r8. It's a good weapon and you will want the chest part. After that, up to you which path you go. G13, r9, r8r, G15, G16, r9r, ...
There is also morai weap that is pretty awesome. But the r8 chest makes r8 the more obvious and cheapest option.

_Nerox_ - Dreamweaver

5aps +10 weapon should get u a squad fast, refine the armor as u like.

_Charlex - Harshlands

Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »

1) Tbh, I think going demon to swap sage afterwards (or opposite) is just a waste of time and money. The only reason I see for changing is having expensive non-stashable gear and a major game change made you change your mind on your initial culti choice. But since you ask, you need celestial chism mold (10gold I think), something like 200 mirages and have your culti done till celestial sage/demon.

Overall, I always was opposed to the popular belief of sage being more expensive then sage. The point of "non-fail" in the eyes of random wc squads in terms of aps is exactly the same gear for sage as for demon. Ofc, refines have the same cost for both culties. And a real demon sin will want demon skills just as much as a sage wants sage skills.

As Olbaze said, 5 aps itself isn't all that important. It matters to wc squads only most of the time. Do you really want to go with those ? I know I don't. If you do plan on depending on wc, you will want 5 aps +10 with G15 zerk/gof minimum for weapon. But at that point, you're either **** or a fail player if you want or have to depend on wc for nirvana squads.

2) Thing is, nirvana itself is actually a really easy instance. If you consider a barb tanking, with healer etc etc, an 80s squad could do it if only they could enter (will be long though). If you consider wc squads, you will have to be 5 aps +10 with G15 zerk/gof to enter. I think, as sin you need to have at least 5k hp, and I'd say 6k+ to tank it. For weapon, I would say there is no real minimum rationally, but you will want r8 +5 or better for a run that won't last ages.

3) Nirvana is easy, the requirements are only for time efficiency. Ppl want to go faster cause canny prices get lower. Tbh, pretty much any squad will do. The bosses will do their tricks, so you will need to do the chests, dodge circles, etc. But even an 80s squad could finish. It's all about the time you are willing to spend.

4) Have someone who can tank, a healer and DD. Pretty much every class has something usefull to add. If you are not a fast squad, you will probably like 2 bms. If you can't find a veno, a cleric or barb will have a phys def debuff also. I don't like to spend 1h making a perfected squad, not worth the time imo. Usually, 2 good DD + 2 good debuffers + 2 free (can be healer, extra DD, usefull buffs, someone good at specific things like shooting black wings) is what I aim for.

5) If you really want 5 aps, cheapest weap would be claw lol. If not, I would got for r8. It's a good weapon and you will want the chest part. After that, up to you which path you go. G13, r9, r8r, G15, G16, r9r, ...
There is also morai weap that is pretty awesome. But the r8 chest makes r8 the more obvious and cheapest option.

Lol sweet this was great to read. Well since i dont need the perfect squad (as people made it seem) il just follow your advise lol go sage and go for the r8 just go with faction and make teams for myself then thanks alot you just made my life easierb:victory

_Charlex - Harshlands

Cotillion - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Sorry, I laughed at this. >.>
I was refused out of more than one squad when I had g15 +10 daggers w/SS because they didn't have interval on them at the time, hence not 5aps. And that was the sole reason for being refused (they outright said as much - and continued to WC)
If you're looking to farm Nirvana with random squads.....be forewarned, people are *******s over 5aps. Not everyone mind you, but from personal experience, some can and will be if you're not 5aps.
Though Olbaze hit it right with the rest, a good faction and 99keys and you're better off anyway than trying to run with random elitists. Even forming your own squads and finding some duo/trio/quad partners to add to the FL would be a better option.
And I am in no way saying you must be 5aps for Nirvana, becasue everyone's right here, you don't need to be. Just, if you don't know, be prepared for the random elitist rejection if you're not.

hmm heard about people that did that, thanks for the heads up now il probaly just avoid wc squads unless im making my own thanks for heads up