Reasonable End-Game build

BareBear - Lost City

I'm trying to come up with a resonable end-game build for my sage barb. He's pure tank and may or may-not get to 101. 100 yes, but 101 idk... I've come up with a few builds and would appreciate feedback.
http://pwcalc.com/15b4d11169f39ef8

I don't cash shop so my funds are extremely limited.

Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear

A few questions first..

1. are you planning to do pvp,pve or tw?
2. Are you planning to account stash those gears for or from another character?
3. What pieces of gear do you already have at the moment?

There are a couple of quick options to level-up from lvl100 onwards
(i) FC with people strictly lvl 101 or less. You should be able to get almost the same exp as if you were doing a lvl99 FC.
(ii) Phoenix Valley 100+. Doable with any decent squad (around 3mil per run... depending on the number of people in squad).
(iii) BH'2 reward: exp orb.
(iv) Morai's jades of experience. (forgot the actual name). If you have extra influence in a particular order, you can gain up to 2mil exp per day.
(v) Cube of Fate. Fairly easy to do with the online cube wiki/guides. 1mil exp per run.
(vi) Other daily quest like faction-base quests or blue/purple divine orders quests.

BareBear - Lost City

Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

A few questions first..

1. are you planning to do pvp,pve or tw?
2. Are you planning to account stash those gears for or from another character?
3. What pieces of gear do you already have at the moment?

1. Strictly PVE/Trials TW if I get the chance too
2. Sadly, I put all the chars on seperate accounts to buff each other
3. http://pwcalc.com/5c8ca702c8d1f254 is my current build

paunster

If your strictly pve, have you consider checking out the morai axe? I know you said you won't be able to make it to 101 but you can level pretty fast with a random squad from 100-101 in FF.

SteelStar - Heavens Tear

I've had one of those necklaces for almost 2 years now is pretty nice, well before the easy Cube - Broken came around... I think you've got a excellent endgame. Not too much but better than most people shoot for. Good luck! b:victory

EDIT: I may decrease the refine on your axe and go +7-10 on the gear and +7-10 on the axe, not +12 and +5

Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear

Armor:
In general, a full set of armor (e.g 6 piece of same stage nirvana armors) tend to provide better set bonus than having bits and pieces of each set. So, you might want to complete the full set of stage 3 nirvana armor (get all 6 pieces, rather than just 2 pieces); this will give you significant bonus in defence and attack lvl.

Weapon:
As Steel said, there is a little bit too much refines on the weapon. I would be advisable to keep the armor and weapon at similar refine priorities. If you are be chosen to pull a cata (since the tw map is resetting soon), your refines priority should shift more towards survivability (mainly HP, defence lvl, & magic defence). (A few exception where high weapon damage is critical, is PV solo and warsong defences).

Gear Progression.
Also, as much as the end-game build should be your ultimate goal. Gear progression should also be important [Gear progression refers to how do you plan from getting from you current built to your end game built in an effective way]:

You might want to upgrade directly from TT80 to your next set of armors (skip TT90 armor since TT80 gold is good enough to do stuff for lvl99 or less). Once you get to lvl100, your next set of armor should aim towards doing most pve end-game instances (includes full-RB, BH100's, etc...). Example of such built: upgrade chest & legs from TT80 to stage 1 nirvana, upgrade arms & boots to TT99, upgrade the first ring to sign of frost, refine stuff to not above +5, keep the helmet & tome, etc... This will be some sort of 'transition built' (low cost & good enough for pve), and it will help you do stuff like finishing culti (full RBs), or farm stage 3 molds in warsong/lunar. Eventually, when you gradually generate the cash, you should be able to individually upgrade each and every pieces of armor to stage 3, refine them above +7 and participate more effectively in TW.

Xerafin - Heavens Tear

How if i will have some cash to spend - well create some in cat shop.

http://pwcalc.com/44a87bebb642f441

Same build +12 and some updates, just think is this possible to build some like this?

I mean, i see myself to have high mag def, hp, and atk - to match all possible bosses/dungeons etc?

I will not TW! only pure PvE build for tank mode.

Ty for advice!

Let's say that i will have 300mil for spend ... (prefer farm items than buy from btq)

BloodTyrant - Raging Tide

Xerafin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

How if i will have some cash to spend - well create some in cat shop.

http://pwcalc.com/44a87bebb642f441

Same build +12 and some updates, just think is this possible to build some like this?

I mean, i see myself to have high mag def, hp, and atk - to match all possible bosses/dungeons etc?

I will not TW! only pure PvE build for tank mode.

Ty for advice!

Let's say that i will have 300mil for spend ... (prefer farm items than buy from btq)

i'd murder irl whoever refine a paradise sachet to +12... not kidding b:angry

Maelael - Heavens Tear

Xerafin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

How if i will have some cash to spend - well create some in cat shop.

http://pwcalc.com/44a87bebb642f441

Same build +12 and some updates, just think is this possible to build some like this?

I mean, i see myself to have high mag def, hp, and atk - to match all possible bosses/dungeons etc?

I will not TW! only pure PvE build for tank mode.

Ty for advice!

Let's say that i will have 300mil for spend ... (prefer farm items than buy from btq)

Has anyone talked to you about http://aster.ohmydays.net/pw/socketcalculator.html?

Given that icebournes would cost about 5x10 at the cheapest price Ive seen them, thats 50m - more than a vit stone.

Icebourne has an 8452 rating vs magic, with vit stones coming in at a 12832 rating. You're talking a 44% improvement here...for the same price.

And reality wise, even if you spent like 30m a piece for 3rd stage nirvana, you'd come out better geared, especially due to the refines.

Xerafin - Heavens Tear

Did i understand right that better to add some vit stones than mag def ones?

sorry for that question - im nuub

http://pwcalc.com/6b4398d479fd4deb ??

Jaabg - Sanctuary

Since you mentioned pve set up. There are two alternative builds. But first, you have 4 socket on all gear. Getting that is expensive, might want to reconsider.

I know it's fun to imagine the best build, but turning it into reality is what counts.

Full morai g15 armour+weapon = cheap and good.

I am dabbling with going ful r8r on my barb. I get 4 sockets, 2 sockets, armour is good, add ons are decent. And for me not that expensive, since i get trial mats for cheap, thanks to my faction.

SteelStar - Heavens Tear

Xerafin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Did i understand right that better to add some vit stones than mag def ones?

sorry for that question - im nuub

http://pwcalc.com/6b4398d479fd4deb ??

Yes you did! Vit gives phys and mag res plus hp. Unless your super rich you could get JSoD, but realistically vit stones are the best option.

This is my current set up http://pwcalc.com/d231130c4c7644c8

Cotillion - Dreamweaver

Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »

Full morai g15 armour+weapon = cheap and good.

This ^^
My barb is an alt on a seperate account, so I didnt want to sink too much coin into him. This Morai gear turned out way better than I expected.Its dirt cheap (compared to other g15 alternatives) and very effective. I've got about 17.5k HP with it moderately refined (most +5) and only flawless gems thus far....and he's able to tank whatever I've wanted him to.

Of course he would be utter **** in a PvP situation. But for cheap PvE, the Morai gear is great IMO.

Xerafin - Heavens Tear

Tyvm for answers - i will go to morai path then, with vit shards

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

Xerafin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Tyvm for answers - i will go to morai path then, with vit shards

The biggest drawback to Morai is it ends there. There is no next step if you decide you want better gear, and whatever you invested in it will be lost.

Its a good setup, but if you can afford vit shards, you can afford better than Morai. If you one day decide Morai isn't cutting it you'll be back to squad one of farming Nirvana/rank gear again, resharding, re-refining.

This thread is less about "what we think is good gear" but "how endgame of gear do you think you'll reach?" I suggest aiming for one step farther than what you think you'll achieve. I remember when tt99 seemed out of reach, now I'm thinking Nirvana t3 pieces, yah, I can bang out a set of those this week.

Cotillion - Dreamweaver

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

The biggest drawback to Morai is it ends there. There is no next step if you decide you want better gear, and whatever you invested in it will be lost.

Its a good setup, but if you can afford vit shards, you can afford better than Morai. If you one day decide Morai isn't cutting it you'll be back to squad one of farming Nirvana/rank gear again, resharding, re-refining.

This no different than people using Rank8 as 'stepping stone' gear for some classes. Morai gear you can start working on prestige for at lvl95, well before you can even get it.
If it serves for a good while as 'stepping stone gear' to farm for T3 Nirvana, then it still suits the purpose.
Otherwise you have to go tt99 straight to g16 NIrvana if you want to avoid any redoing of refines or sharding. Most people don't do that and at least moderately refine the gear as they upgrade.
Why not have a great g15 Morai set to serve that function with set bonuses and save refining TT/Nirvana until its the end of the road g16?

Kalish - Lost City

Cotillion - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This no different than people using Rank8 as 'stepping stone' gear for some classes. Morai gear you can start working on prestige for at lvl95, well before you can even get it.
If it serves for a good while as 'stepping stone gear' to farm for T3 Nirvana, then it still suits the purpose.
Otherwise you have to go tt99 straight to g16 NIrvana if you want to avoid any redoing of refines or sharding. Most people don't do that and at least moderately refine the gear as they upgrade.
Why not have a great g15 Morai set to serve that function with set bonuses and save refining TT/Nirvana until its the end of the road g16?

The difference is that you don't vit stone TT99. I'm pretty sure that's what Saku was getting at.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

Kalish - Lost City wrote: »

The difference is that you don't vit stone TT99. I'm pretty sure that's what Saku was getting at.

Yah. 24 x 50m is 1.2bil in sharding he was talking about. For that coin just go for what you really want.

This game is rather addicting if you haven't noticed. I'm pretty sure my computer monitor beams nicotine directly into my brain when I play. If you think Morai is your endgame, it's probably not. You'll get there and go "I want more." At least with TT99/Lunar you get half steps. TT99/Lunar, Nirvana t1, Nirvana t2, Nirvana t3. Or rank 8, rank9, and go piece by piece. You can use chienkuns for shards or refines if you want.

Morai is a great setup, I was just advising him that what he invests in it he won't get back because it doesn't have a 'next step.'

BloodTyrant - Raging Tide

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yah. 24 x 50m is 1.2bil in sharding he was talking about. For that coin just go for what you really want.

This game is rather addicting if you haven't noticed. I'm pretty sure my computer monitor beams nicotine directly into my brain when I play. If you think Morai is your endgame, it's probably not. You'll get there and go "I want more." At least with TT99/Lunar you get half steps. TT99/Lunar, Nirvana t1, Nirvana t2, Nirvana t3. Or rank 8, rank9, and go piece by piece. You can use chienkuns for shards or refines if you want.

Morai is a great setup, I was just advising him that what he invests in it he won't get back because it doesn't have a 'next step.'

i agree with saku, vit stones/josd/dot are made for high grade gears, endgame ones, g15> (or tt99 when using aps). i'd never use a vit stone or lvl11 gem on morai gears, but think with me: an year ago we couldn't expect r9 having an upgrade, half an year ago we couldn't imagine r9r would have an upgrade, 3 months ago they released a different upgrade for r9r...

so lets be realistic, in a few months u can expect morai gears having an upgrade, also i don't doubt that t3 can have another upgrade. pwi will do it until the game really reach critical times such as massive quiting, smarter programs being released to bot the game etc... so until those game "apocalypses" happens, pwi won't stop to upgrade gears.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

BloodTyrant - Raging Tide wrote: »

i agree with saku, vit stones/josd/dot are made for high grade gears, endgame ones, g15> (or tt99 when using aps). i'd never use a vit stone or lvl11 gem on morai gears, but think with me: an year ago we couldn't expect r9 having an upgrade, half an year ago we couldn't imagine r9r would have an upgrade, 3 months ago they released a different upgrade for r9r...

so lets be realistic, in a few months u can expect morai gears having an upgrade, also i don't doubt that t3 can have another upgrade. pwi will do it until the game really reach critical times such as massive quiting, smarter programs being released to bot the game etc... so until those game "apocalypses" happens, pwi won't stop to upgrade gears.

Dunno, FCC doesn't have an upgrade. And Morai is still relatively new but was released with 3 levels: G12, G13 aeu, and G15. We can predict upgrades by the chinese servers so we know nothing new on the horizon for Morai gear in the next 6 months.

Kalish - Lost City

The gears that keep getting upgrades are the ones that make them money. Morai stuff is free and doesn't make them money. It was given to the non cash-shoppers to keep them around longer so the cash-shoppers don't get bored and quit.

I doubt Morai gear will get an upgrade.