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FayHumming - Dreamweaver

WIZ POWERb:thanks QQ or whatever, dont care

BootyCamp VS Tempest 8/18/2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IACMM39igXo&feature=plcp

BootyCamp VS Tempest 8/17/2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hywrrAdp9dE

FaceRolI - Sanctuary

an error occured during validation b:sad

FayHumming - Dreamweaver

b:laugh fix

Adroit - Lost City

Doing work! You mind posting a pwcalc of your gear?

__Survival__ - Raging Tide

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Doing work! You mind posting a pwcalc of your gear?

i second this lol b:laugh

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Doing work! You mind posting a pwcalc of your gear?

+12 3th cast R9 full DoT

AlphaOmegaX - Dreamweaver

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

+12 3th cast R9 full DoT

OMG i made a mess in my pants, Fay you are queen bee wizz on DW, love ya hun!!!!b:kiss

FaceRolI - Sanctuary

... i think your faction might appreciate it if their #1 magical DD would help kill cata barbs...

shotwhointhewhat

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Doing work! You mind posting a pwcalc of your gear?

FayHumming always has the best gears possible or something close to it.

Adroit - Lost City

shotwhointhewhat wrote: »

FayHumming always has the best gears possible or something close to it.

I don't consider dots best gear possible, definitely wouldn't be my shard choice :P

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

dots....relaly? completly pointless when you have over 100atk lvl anyways. go g11 cit/garn if nothing else.

AXELSCHWEISS - Sanctuary

Where is full dot pointless when your enemy has full JOSD gear ? There is for sure a diffenrenc to hit a 90def lvl char with 100 or ~160 attack lvl , benefits even more if you have 30k mag attack wich gives maxed out r9 3rd cast buffed. Just becasue someone dosent follow the standard omg JOSD iam more tanky build he is fail ?

Daemon_Imp - Lost City

hmm i dun think it was that DoTs were useless, just that at that level an increase in dmg is not necessary b/c u can kill anything anyway, and the dmg boost is not that big cuz of your already huge atk lvl.

what would be more useful is to increase your defenses so that now you can kill everything and you are hard to kill. smn was saying like full DoT wiz vs full JoSD wiz the advantage goes to JoSD b/c that wiz will hit harder on the DoT wiz than vice versa...

... but that being said neither nurfed or adroit mentioned JoSD. my shards are perfect cits (T_T im poor) so really i cant really tell which is better, but it seems even those g11 gems are a better choice (when discussing trade off of atk-power and defenses)

that said, i have killed full JoSD +10/+12 barbs on my server in 1v1 without those DoTs, so they wont make/break the killing power. what i do wish for is not to get 1shot by that random zerk crit...

Adroit - Lost City

Daemon_Imp - Lost City wrote: »

... but that being said neither nurfed or adroit mentioned JoSD. my shards are perfect cits (T_T im poor) so really i cant really tell which is better, but it seems even those g11 gems are a better choice (when discussing trade off of atk-power and defenses)

I think everyone knows what we were thinking about :P Also for shard choice.. check out Asterelle's socket calculator

shotwhointhewhat

DoT is only better when you are not getting hit back or you outgear 99.9% of the servers population like FayHumming does. Even being full DoT, fay probably still has an attack level advantage over any full JoSD on the server.

Adroit - Lost City

shotwhointhewhat wrote: »

DoT is only better when you are not getting hit

should have stopped there.. this is the only valid reason to use dots (and that assumes you literally never get hit) imo

FaceRolI - Sanctuary

lol i dont think anyone is trying to state that dot is THE 'best' sharding...

honestly if full 3rd cast r9 +12 just dropped in my lap I would shard DoT too. not b/c i think its the optimal build but with JOSD you would literally never die, you wouldn't even have to do anything to live, and it would be even more boring then it already is.

and yea this sounds dangerously similar to the players who are like "i make HA Spear cleric cause I have fun that way" but DoT does actually have an (singular) advantage over JOSD, though obviously JOSD are still better overall /inb4some1 says well if u have josd and live longer you have more dmg dealing potential, its all about big red numbers after ulti yo

anyways please kill cata barbs ty for vids b:thanks

Adroit - Lost City

FaceRolI - Sanctuary wrote: »

lol i dont think anyone is trying to state that dot is THE 'best' sharding...

honestly if full 3rd cast r9 +12 just dropped in my lap I would shard DoT too. not b/c i think its the optimal build but with JOSD you would literally never die, you wouldn't even have to do anything to live, and it would be even more boring then it already is.

and yea this sounds dangerously similar to the players who are like "i make HA Spear cleric cause I have fun that way" but DoT does actually have an (singular) advantage over JOSD, though obviously JOSD are still better overall /inb4some1 says well if u have josd and live longer you have more dmg dealing potential, its all about big red numbers after ulti yo

anyways please kill cata barbs ty for vids b:thanks

would have been better off staying with regular r9 and buying josds than getting 3rd cast r9 and putting dots. I get the impression though that op has plenty of money to get any shards (s)he wants, I'm assuming it was just due to a lack of information.. full josd with that kind of gear is probably going to increase survivability by ~40% (against r9 opponents) at the cost of ~10% damage (full dots likely won't increase damage by even that much). Either way, if money was the issue.. should have stuck with regular r9 and gotten josds.. if it dots were chosen over josds for effect.. I would think that was a poor decision.

Nurfed_You - Harshlands

130atk levels vs 80def levels>50atk lvl difference
160atk levels vs 80def levels>80atk lvl difference

so the 30 atk lvl difference should be around 20% damage difference if its even that high. if you one shot someone with 12k hp for 20k whats the difference if you hit him for 25k? dead is dead.

hence my "dots are pointless", just not how i would build with said gear. personally im going to go 7garnet gems and 17cit gems. sports around 22k hp buffed and 20k pdef/mdef. seems like a good survival build for less then half hte cost of josd. you only lose maybe 5% survivability between the 2 builds. At current costs JoSD just isnt worth it. on harshlands 24 JoSD will cost around 3.6bil. tahts over half the cost of 1st cast r9. or refining full regular r9 to +12.

p.s.
frenzy also boosts damage at the cost of defense, but it isnt permanent. You should look into it.

Leviath_Imp - Lost City

kinda off-topic and not to derail thread...
but does no one use spark or have a spark genie for TW? is it becuz of affinity or stat issues?

shotwhointhewhat

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

would have been better off staying with regular r9 and buying josds than getting 3rd cast r9 and putting dots.

Head to head, a 3R9 DoT wiz would still have an attack level advantage against regular R9 JoSD or even 2R9 JoSD.

Kingy - Harshlands

Leviath_Imp - Lost City wrote: »

kinda off-topic and not to derail thread...
but does no one use spark or have a spark genie for TW? is it becuz of affinity or stat issues?

I use it

FaceRolI - Sanctuary

trying too hard to be archers b:chuckle

Leviath_Imp - Lost City

math ugh

Adroit - Lost City

Leviath_Imp - Lost City wrote: »

kinda off-topic and not to derail thread...
but does no one use spark or have a spark genie for TW? is it becuz of affinity or stat issues?

TW is more about aoes than single target amps.. where skills like cloud/frenzy are often preferred. Nothing wrong with a dex genie in TW, kinda nice to spark a cata puller.. but it seems most wizzies like high mag genies that give them lots of chi and goodies that are more focused towards dropping aoes. So yeah mostly affinity + stat issues, but some people do use spark genies for TW, I used to use mine when I was part of a squad in TW that went after the solo cata squads going down the side lanes.. just depends on the situation I guess :P

Breannak - Raging Tide

Nice video b:cute

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

AXELSCHWEISS - Sanctuary wrote: »

something

just eww at your name
eww

Leviath_Imp - Lost City wrote: »

kinda off-topic and not to derail thread...
but does no one use spark or have a spark genie for TW? is it becuz of affinity or stat issues?

i use that on cata barbs,
its on my second genie, the genie i switch to after getting full chi with my magic-based genie

and i got killed by another wiz in tw using it once
felt bad

Evanera - Heavens Tear

I'm pretty sure most people understand that JoSD are better. Yea, some don't but they should know they're ignorant yea? =p

Just because someone shards DoT doesn't mean they're fail. You have to look at what faction/server they're in/on, what sort of TW's they get in terms of opponents (numbers, gear, how many from your faction show up with what gear etc). If you're mainly fighting in say, an 80v80 TW of mostly well geared players and your faction has a good amount of wizards that are def build AND they prefer to be in the front lines, stick em there. If you love killing cata barbs and don't often go in the front lines you can shard DoT if you want. That's one example where sharding DoT is probably better than JoSD and there's more.

I'm half DoT/JoSD and I love it for the role I play in a TW. It works wonders for me.

@Nurfed - random numbers don't help you prove your point when it can be easily turned around. 20k HP BM but your BT hit him for 18.5k, damn should have sharded DoT! See? Not that hard.

In the end just because JoSD is the best overall sharding choice possible you have to go more in-depth with why someone chose what they did. To be honest, if I had a sht load of money like Fay did and had that gear, I might not go full JoSD because you're already so damn tanky. I'd have to look at the numbers but for my role in TW, there's mostly no reason to be full JoSD.

Adroit - Lost City

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm pretty sure most people understand that JoSD are better. Yea, some don't but they should know they're ignorant yea? =p

Just because someone shards DoT doesn't mean they're fail. You have to look at what faction/server they're in/on, what sort of TW's they get in terms of opponents (numbers, gear, how many from your faction show up with what gear etc). If you're mainly fighting in say, an 80v80 TW of mostly well geared players and your faction has a good amount of wizards that are def build AND they prefer to be in the front lines, stick em there. If you love killing cata barbs and don't often go in the front lines you can shard DoT if you want. That's one example where sharding DoT is probably better than JoSD and there's more.

I'm half DoT/JoSD and I love it for the role I play in a TW. It works wonders for me.

@Nurfed - random numbers don't help you prove your point when it can be easily turned around. 20k HP BM but your BT hit him for 18.5k, damn should have sharded DoT! See? Not that hard.

In the end just because JoSD is the best overall sharding choice possible you have to go more in-depth with why someone chose what they did. To be honest, if I had a sht load of money like Fay did and had that gear, I might not go full JoSD because you're already so damn tanky. I'd have to look at the numbers but for my role in TW, there's mostly no reason to be full JoSD.

TLDR version: I wish I sharded full JOSD.

b:cute

Evanera - Heavens Tear

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

TLDR version: I wish I sharded full JOSD.

b:cute

You're just jelly my sig is better than yours!

Adroit - Lost City

Evanera - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You're just jelly my sig is better than yours!

so mean b:cry