Seekers and FC Exp Room?

IEatAss - Dreamweaver

Is this just me or that every squad asks for a seeker for FC for free exp room? Now, i know seekers a great to have during exp room but say for instance i have a bm friend who can come i ask squad leader for lead so i can invte the bm, they would go say no, we NEED a seeker. and im just surprised oh how noob these people are. People did fc without the new classes and survived...

I also just get angry because i am a barb and when i use to do fc on my cleric the barbs didn't aggro before entering the freaking bubble. then they blamed my for not having a good weapon for them dying. i Loled then left

Yurizuki - Heavens Tear

Seekers can pull it off the easiest and people just won't acknowledge much else even if a bm can do it just as well.

As for the barb not getting agro, that's a product of power-levelling and not knowing how to use their class.

Joshcja - Sanctuary

Bm's can solo from 80+ with an apoc and +5 leg 70 axes, barbs can damn near 1 shot the pulls with arma at 80+ and WILL one shot at 90+ sins with good phys ornies and buffs can pull, venos can pull with bramble hood and 79 skills wizzards and archers with highlly refined weapons can do it with maxed expel. People just suck at playing and like having an easy class to carry

dog10240

Yurizuki - Heavens Tear wrote: »

As for the barb not getting agro, that's a product of power-levelling and not knowing how to use their class.

and APS.

Salari - Raging Tide

BB should not even be up till after barb agro's the mobs that is just a given. Only been in a few squad where a cleric did that and it usually failed at lower levels from the mobs agro'n on the cleric and he/she dying, then the rest of the squad unless the barb got agro quick enough and reset them. 90+ if this happened with a under geared cleric, cleric would just die and we would get more exp. Cant blame the barb or anyone else if you setup a BB to early. Agro range only goes so far. I know when I pull on my barb in the big room by the time I get to the zhen it stretches nearly halfway across the whole room.

Salari - Raging Tide

Yurizuki - Heavens Tear wrote: »

As for the barb not getting agro, that's a product of power-levelling and not knowing how to use their class.

No from the OP's description that is the cleric deciding to BB before the mobs are even at the zhen not giving the barb a chance to agro.

Nael - Dreamweaver

People just generally want everything handed to them on a silver platter. I once offered to help a Delta squad who was looking for an AoE class but I got rejected due to not being a Seeker. Apparently Archer isn't viable enough as an AoE class...I miss the days when every class had a use.

Salari - Raging Tide wrote: »

BB should not even be up till after barb agro's the mobs that is just a given. Only been in a few squad where a cleric did that and it usually failed at lower levels from the mobs agro'n on the cleric and he/she dying, then the rest of the squad unless the barb got agro quick enough and reset them. 90+ if this happened with a under geared cleric, cleric would just die and we would get more exp. Cant blame the barb or anyone else if you setup a BB to early. Agro range only goes so far. I know when I pull on my barb in the big room by the time I get to the zhen it stretches nearly halfway across the whole room.

Lolwut? Just pull mobs around outerskirts of the room, Bestial Rage, Invoke, Sunder, HP back to the Zhen...Roar and Arma if needed...BB timing never mattered unless you didn't know what you were doing.

Yurizuki - Heavens Tear

Salari - Raging Tide wrote: »

No from the OP's description that is the cleric deciding to BB before the mobs are even at the zhen not giving the barb a chance to agro.

Oh I see.

Usually barbs go pull the mobs then roar before entering the BB, unless told otherwise (this is based on most every squad I've been in)

Salari - Raging Tide

Nael - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Lolwut? Just pull mobs around outerskirts of the room, Bestial Rage, Invoke, Sunder, HP back to the Zhen...Roar and Arma if needed...BB timing never mattered unless you didn't know what you were doing.

It is alot easier just go to the zhen, why do all that when I can wait for them to come to me. You do know what a pull with mobs almost half the length of the big room is like right? You are just trying to prove a point that does not exist. All you are doing is adding unnecessary actions to something simple and has nothing to do with anyone knowing or not knowing what they are doing.

Xainou - Sanctuary

People want seekers because they can 'solo' mobs with bp. And probably because they want to avoid noob clerics/barbs. If that makes much sense... well I dunno.


As for agroing mobs as a barb, I usually stop at the last group, bestial, invoke, roar, sunder, arma. Agro is mine by that point and it won't slip anywhere until mobs are dead. It's pretty funny though if people freak out like 'OMG COME TO BB!!!' lol Just doing my job here, sheesh =p

Salari - Raging Tide

Yurizuki - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Oh I see.

Usually barbs go pull the mobs then roar before entering the BB, unless told otherwise (this is based on most every squad I've been in)

I have never seen a squad in 2+ years do that or teach anyone to do the big pull in the exp room that way. Now I will and seen barbs agro the mobs if BB is setup early like that, but that is pretty rare for BB to be setup that early.

Nael - Dreamweaver

Salari - Raging Tide wrote: »

It is alot easier just go to the zhen, why do all that when I can wait for them to come to me. You do know what a pull with mobs almost half the length of the big room is like right? You are just trying to prove a point that does not exist. All you are doing is adding unnecessary actions to something simple and has nothing to do with anyone knowing or not knowing what they are doing.

You didn't get the point. The point was that BB timing does not matter. There is no "too early" or "too late" to setting up BB while you said BB should not be up until Barb gets the aggro. This can't be any more false.

Salari - Raging Tide

Nael - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You didn't get the point. The point was that BB timing does not matter. There is no "too early" or "too late" to setting up BB while you said BB should not be up until Barb gets the aggro. This can't be any more false.

There is nothing false about that statement, only your asumption

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear

Soo... what was the point of this thread exactly?

And then how did it get from that to people obviously not knowing exactly what to do with their class because they didn't spend time playing it right?

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary

The only reason why people want "easy" things its because as most people state here,most of PWI current playerbase sucks at playing their class.

So if you adopt this view of things you can't blame people either for not trusting e.g. a 80/89 BM to solo mobs

LordOfMagic - Raging Tide

my aoe is just as good if not better then a seekers an i can do it without bp so come at me b:cool

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary

LordOfMagic - Raging Tide wrote: »

my aoe is just as good if not better then a seekers an i can do it without bp so come at me b:cool

I assume as a lv.86 Wizzy you can also tank all the mobs long enough to kill em b:puzzled ?

MyssFire - Heavens Tear

LordOfMagic - Raging Tide wrote: »

so **** on me b:cool

b:spitb:spitb:spit

LordOfMagic - Raging Tide

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »

I assume as a lv.86 Wizzy you can also tank all the mobs long enough to kill em b:puzzled ?

expel works wonders b:chuckleb:quietb:avoid

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary

Salari - Raging Tide wrote: »

I have never seen a squad in 2+ years do that or teach anyone to do the big pull in the exp room that way. Now I will and seen barbs agro the mobs if BB is setup early like that, but that is pretty rare for BB to be setup that early.

I wonder on how many FCCs you've been in 2 years.

'cause here in Sanctuary server 90% of the squads I happen to be on alts(And myself as barb back then),barb does agro the mobs before getting into BB(Unless BB its not up at all).

LordOfMagic - Raging Tide

MyssFire - Heavens Tear wrote: »

b:spitb:spitb:spit

ha b:surrender

Nael - Dreamweaver

Salari - Raging Tide wrote: »

There is nothing false about that statement, only your asumption

I assumed nothing. I have played my Barb long enough to know that your statement is baseless.

Mharvyn - Harshlands

Seekers are quite simply sought for xp rooms because a blood painted seeker vortexing during the mob pull is the generally safest, most fool-proof, way to ensure mobs are killed and players aren't. If you assume that the vast majority of squads looking for a seeker just for the xp room are those buying the xp room or alts of people whose higher level characters have cleared the fc, then you are dealing with a squad of random (at least partially) people who have no idea of the competence of the other players in the squad.

The number of posts in this tread discussing only the barb and cleric's actions during an exp room pull is evidence that there is no predicting what actions each squad member will take.

With a seeker vortexing the npc, you generally don't have to worry about when the cleric sets up bb, whether or not the barb aggros before coming into the aoe, whether or not the bm is going to stun or dg, whether or not the archer's early barrage will peel off half the mobs, etc. etc...

There are many successful ways to pull/kill the fc xp room mobs, most of them differ only slightly, but a pull can cause a squad wipe very easily even if experienced players do not coordinate within the squad. People who may be unfamiliar with the class they are playing are common in random xp room squads and only increase the change for a squad wipe and lost xp/hyper time.

Many of the reasons a squad may wipe doing xp room pulls could be avoided simply by a discussion in squad chat. But, once again, you are often dealing with random people who may, or may not agree on a tactic for dealing with mobs or follow instructions. It is probably faster/easier simply to world chat for a seeker for a free xp room and get it done (after all, faster/easier xp is usually what people are in fc for in the first place)

Nariin - Dreamweaver

b:avoidMaybe it's just my luck, but most fail pulls I've experienced was with seekers (drop vortex for unkown reason, run out of MP, set vortex when mobs alredy aggoed cleric (me)).
Had people leving squad cause there was no seeker and seekers leaving cause they they felt they had a right to free bigroom, while otheres pay.

Edit: I guess seeker is easiest mechanicly, but in the end it all comes to who plays it.

Salari - Raging Tide

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »

I wonder on how many FCCs you've been in 2 years.

'cause here in Sanctuary server 90% of the squads I happen to be on alts(And myself as barb back then),barb does agro the mobs before getting into BB(Unless BB its not up at all).

That is what I just said b:chuckle Only thing I am saying is every barb or puller is trained to pull mobs to zhen point then get agro, not the other way around like they are in delta.

TribuanaTD - Sanctuary

Salari - Raging Tide wrote: »

That is what I just said b:chuckle Only thing I am saying is every barb or puller is trained to pull mobs to zhen point then get agro, not the other way around like they are in delta.

if a barb is pulling, then he should be roaring BEFORE going to zhen point

doitmuku

hahahhahaha...

why seeker ? if u ask me..

vortex killing fast even w.o other ppl attck.. that mean more hyper time/activation saved up n saver for another class specialy cleric+DD like archer/wiz/bm who alot ended of die if barb not hold agro..make more easy for ppl who dunno how to play their class.. like sum cleric who choose use aoe heal than BB for pulling mobs from **** bash till slash boss.. he said aoe heal faster than BB.. seeker dont need BB.. only BP is enough...

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

Salari - Raging Tide wrote: »

Salari. you are bad
and you should feel bad


you have no idea how to play this game


hyper noobs stay away from forums at last!
planting dumb ideas into other hyper noobs





logic flaws everywhere
a +3 weapon seeker isnt going to kill mobs faster than a +5 archer

and when you are doing the boss too first
not taking a seeker makes your squad overall faster (about any other class, even a veno, deals more damage on boss)

archers can start to aoe earlier than seekers
the result is mobs are dead faster even at lower dps (wow o.o)


a seeker makes sense when you have no cleric or mystic, but some assasin
yet that will put you to charm ticks on boss fight...


in the ideal case of a barb pulling, well any class can kill the mobs in that case
barbs who do not use skills are annoying, could of just used any other class with more dps for boss to pull and get barb buff outside. why do they even exist?

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Salari - Raging Tide wrote: »

That is what I just said b:chuckle Only thing I am saying is every barb or puller is trained to pull mobs to zhen point then get agro, not the other way around like they are in delta.

Even if you are assuming that, it's just pure fail to know how heal aggro works and still pull all the mobs into BB without getting aggro. You can tell BB is setup, you can see the buff on your squads health bars and can see the cleric in position. It's not the cleric's fault for doing things a popular way while you do it another. It is yours because the cleric did not run up to you and drop BB. You knowingly ran INTO a heal without aggro when previously you were getting none. It is no way, shape, or form the clerics fault that you knowingly ran into a BB with a bunch of mobs all over you and no aggro. If you are used to doing it one way that is fine. But once you see BB up, get aggro. It's not really complicated.

This is like the cafeteria being out of soup. And someone hands you a free sandwich that you enjoy for free but you won't eat it. Because you're used to eating soup for lunch. And then complaining about being hungry. And how it's someone else's fault your hungry because they didn't give you soup, and you always have soup.

It really doesn't matter if you're used to doing it one way. You should be more than capable of thinking to yourself, hmm the cleric is going to get aggro if just run a bunch of mobs up to them while in BB. I should aggro now instead of later.

MageMERC - Harshlands

Well I'm not arguing merits but with all the 'free fc for seeker' calls out there I bit the bullet and made a seeker, I think not three months ago and now its 100. Thanks for everyone for all the free rooms. Nowadays they arent free anymore very often, but a 99+ fc takes 1/2hr which suits me fine.

I wish I had the money to level/gear my barb and bm, but seekers are easy to play and good fun. 75% more to the super Morai sword - hopefully one more week....

Empu - Sanctuary

IEatAss - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Is this just me or that every squad asks for a seeker for FC for free exp room?

Sure seekers are nice to have, but there are so many other ways to do it. Barbs and BMs can pull full room. Some can even solo it with or even without bp. You can always do 2 half rooms (and waste 1~2min hypertime, whoo big deal) or use some apo/genie.

I think I did fcc in about any possible squad setup, including "tankless" squads and "healerless" squads. But it's hard to find ppl with enough imagination and courage to step besides the stereo-types. I even had someone freak-out when I was pulling on seeker without bp cause no sin in squad. Since when does a seeker need bp to pull, when there is a cleric/mystic in squad? b:surrender