TW Update: What's a big faction to do?

Brillance - Raging Tide

It would seem with the new update, optimal faction size might change a bit.

It might be more advantageous for a 'server despot' to run a few 'active member' factions, rather than maintain a single large one. Having more than 80 active members could prove to be a disadvantage, with the 7 way gank possible. Like, a waste of resources.

Or, maybe for now they are just thinking about reaching out to smaller factions to improve diplomacy and try to gain some allies.

Alt Factions will seem to serve little purpose to their main faction, unless the live player has the skill and resources to effectively play more than 1 char at a time. If used, they will basicly be a 'change of scenery'. b:chuckle

I dont really expect anyone to reply to the curious ponderings of little ole Brill, but any comments are welcome.

An inquiring mind wants to know. xD

Doqui - Raging Tide

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

It would seem with the new update, optimal faction size might change a bit.

It might be more advantageous for a 'server despot' to run a few 'active member' factions, rather than maintain a single large one. Having more than 80 active members could prove to be a disadvantage, with the 7 way gank possible. Like, a waste of resources.

Or, maybe for now they are just thinking about reaching out to smaller factions to improve diplomacy and try to gain some allies.

Alt Factions will seem to serve little purpose to their main faction, unless the live player has the skill and resources to effectively play more than 1 char at a time. If used, they will basicly be a 'change of scenery'. b:chuckle

I dont really expect anyone to reply to the curious ponderings of little ole Brill, but any comments are welcome.

An inquiring mind wants to know. xD

Or maybe they just got tired of the endless QQing of the lazy factions that are not willing to put in the effort to get on top.

b:bye

Dead game = dead

Brillance - Raging Tide

Well, if its true that China doesnt play the exact same way we play. And, its perfectly logical that the economy in the chinese game would be cheaper. So, it probably wont ever die.

Our version was definately looking deathly, but it seems Raging Tide is slightly more active already.

The great thing about this change to TW is that it doesnt make wealth and numbers the end all. And, everyone gets to learn something new.

Im pretty curious how 30 R9s would fare against 50 to 80 'other gears', arent you? b:pleased

Zarkin_Baxil - Raging Tide

30 r9s would roll 50-80 "other gears" in 5 min, been there done that, not fun. Not that we can field more than 30 r9s anyway, but the point still stands.

Brillance - Raging Tide

Zarkin_Baxil - Raging Tide wrote: »

30 r9s would roll 50-80 "other gears" in 5 min, been there done that, not fun. Not that we can field more than 30 r9s anyway, but the point still stands.

You are right, I was kinda putting down a 'best case scenario' in a 7 way gank, for a 200 member faction. I dont actually know if there are 30 individual player R9s on the server. b:chuckle

Are you sure they would roll in 5 minutes? Im not so sure...*shrugs*

Zarkin_Baxil - Raging Tide

Let me try and put some perspective on that for you. I had an alt in Marines when they were starting out. It's a nirvana/tt99 demon bm with 10k hp unbuffed, most other players had almost the same gear at that time. It took almost everyone we had in that tw to kill DeathsDoor (Full r9 jaded seeker). So yea 30 r9s can roll 50-80 lesser geared people in 5 min, meh I will even give you 10 min. But still I have been on both sides of that equation.

Bladed_Tony - Raging Tide

agree with zarkin.. r9 ppl can basically 2 shot anybody that isnt r9 and can take up to 20 tt99/nirvy geared ppl to kill them.. (maybe more if they are barb or seeker)

in wanted we have trouble with man by himself without a cleric..
takes about 10-20 of us and there are some OP psys in wanted..

and back in levi we had horrible time killing deathsdoor when we fought Valkyrie..

JoeDirt - Raging Tide

They are making base defenses stronger which should make defending easier and allow a good faction to defend lands more easily.

On the 30 vs 50 yeah 30r9 would probably roll them fast. 30 vs 80? Not so much, r9 is op but it's not so op that numbers don't matter.

Zarkin_Baxil - Raging Tide

ok Joe I will give you that 30 idiot r9s will have a hard time and maybe even lose to 80 people. Numbers do matter but if you get 15 r9s that are just ok and 15 r9s that are pro the 80 non r9s have no chance. And I'm just talking about r9 v non r9, everything less than r9 gets cut down so fast against it. So 30 v 80 I would give it 30 min to be fair but the 30 r9s would win in the end. I think the heart of the question is, does the server as a whole have the desire to gank Vicious. Most seem content with the tws that they have and will continue to go with that after reset. I think reset happens enough that it really dosen't matter to the server as a whole what Vicious does. Most wont attack, others will stay out of the way, and the rest will just get rolled and move on. I think the biggest diffrence between QQme and Vicious was that, at the time, the server as a whole didn't like QQme. Now that QQme isn't the faction that it was and Vicious isn't as disliked as QQme no one really has the desire to get rid of us. So reset is going to look like the last reset. Factions will do a land grab as fast as they can before Vicious takes all the cities. After that people will be happy with what they can get and Vicious will continue to do what it does. At some point something will change and RT will be a very diffrent place again. But untill that happens I see more of the same. Humm why the hell did I type so much? And wht the hell do I care?

_Skai_ - Raging Tide

That was a beautiful message Zark.

BungaSakura - Raging Tide

well, PWI now have t3 and we can compare t3 with rank 9. not many people will have tier 3 rank 9 in short of time. so i guess some faction will have equal position. the question later on is, how faction manage their member to stay and how they can make people to follow strategy in TW. because the question is no longer how OP faction, but how strong faction in management and in tactic. but tactic wont be success if the members not able to implementing it.

this is my 2 cents.

ShadowsFlame - Raging Tide

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

It would seem with the new update, optimal faction size might change a bit.

It might be more advantageous for a 'server despot' to run a few 'active member' factions, rather than maintain a single large one. Having more than 80 active members could prove to be a disadvantage, with the 7 way gank possible. Like, a waste of resources.

I think you have the wrong idea.... I think the whole reason why they implemented this in China is because they have too many factions that has 150+ online members at TW time. So many of them are unable to TW. 7 way gank means a faction need more members to defend its lands and use more strategies, hence more fun TWs.

TW is a end game 80 vs 80 PvP instance so please stop this small faction TW campaign. It ruins the TW fun when its just pk in TW too.

Brillance - Raging Tide

ShadowsFlame - Raging Tide wrote: »

I think you have the wrong idea.... I think the whole reason why they implemented this in China is because they have too many factions that has 150+ online members at TW time. So many of them are unable to TW. 7 way gank means a faction need more members to defend its lands and use more strategies, hence more fun TWs.

TW is a end game 80 vs 80 PvP instance so please stop this small faction TW campaign. It ruins the TW fun when its just pk in TW too.

I can respect your opinion but I dont agree with it. Mainly because it was done to break up the Monopolys that have only a few players logging into the game, and only for TW, in China, and everywhere else as well.

These people inevitably close themselves off to anyone and everyone except their small circle of friends, and hold big insult campaigns. If they were going the R9+12 route, they did it a while back, and now are leaving the game for another they claim.

Our servers have no one new coming on them. Anyone remember Tusk Town, a hub of new player leveling? (Before anyone starts with Power-leveling, lemme just remind you Im talking about new players and not new alts.) You could truthfully name it 'Ghost Town' now, along with most all starting cities. No one but alts if you see anyone at all until you reach the level to be sent to a major city like Arch or Lost.

Couple that with people leaving cause they hate the attitude of the peeps left in the game, or they lost PK, or they got 'haxed'/scammed, or they simply have nothing at all to do, and its a pretty sad outlook.

It would be really stupid for PW not to change things up. Small factions are everyone's future in this game now.

The games future certainly is NOT the people that have everything, have done everything, cant be asked to do much anymore if it isnt with a good friend, or just for TW with said good friends, AND are happy to tell everyone that they are leaving on 8/28 anyway.

The Monopoly route has killed TW on all servers in our game, as well as in the Chinese game. MMOs are supposed to be sociable, lol. If no ones doing anything with anyone, its not sociable.

All the change really does is force a reallocation of live resources that refused to reallocate themselves, or force those same resources to come out of their 'snob' shells and communicate with others again, to try to gain allies. I, for one, hope it works.

Brillance - Raging Tide

Bladed_Tony - Raging Tide wrote: »

agree with zarkin.. r9 ppl can basically 2 shot anybody that isnt r9 and can take up to 20 tt99/nirvy geared ppl to kill them.. (maybe more if they are barb or seeker)

in wanted we have trouble with man by himself without a cleric..
takes about 10-20 of us and there are some OP psys in wanted..

and back in levi we had horrible time killing deathsdoor when we fought Valkyrie..

Yeah, there are certainly some OP peeps in game, I remember feeling that way when attacking a Mystic named GaiaSeeker (I think), but I have also helped drop a number of R9s (not naming cause that's not nice ^^), and it certainly wasnt no 20 of us on 'em. b:chuckle

Shield - Raging Tide

Zarkin_Baxil - Raging Tide wrote: »

I think the biggest diffrence between QQme and Vicious was that, at the time, the server as a whole didn't like QQme. Now that QQme isn't the faction that it was and Vicious isn't as disliked as QQme no one really has the desire to get rid of us

^ this

Doqui - Raging Tide

Why do anything about vicious, people can just sit on their lazy **s and wait for a reset.


The whole "big faction killed TW" is bullcrap. simple fact is, reset killed TW becouse there is absolutely 0 reasons to grow some balls and do something about a big faction.

7 way gank wil not change anything about that, therefor this update failed even before it was released

Shield - Raging Tide

Doqui - Raging Tide wrote: »

The whole "big faction killed TW" is bullcrap. simple fact is, reset killed TW becouse there is absolutely 0 reasons to grow some balls and do something about a big faction.

7 way gank with no land reset would be frigging epic. top factions would need to work in their politics to get their *** ganked by everyone and it would be a sexi, challenging color full map...

ppl dont really understand that low tier factions are having fun because the other factions are just letting them be i.e. AveFenix but that could change from one day to another

Vicialchemis - Raging Tide

Doqui - Raging Tide wrote: »

Why do anything about vicious, people can just sit on their lazy **s and wait for a reset.


The whole "big faction killed TW" is bullcrap. simple fact is, reset killed TW becouse there is absolutely 0 reasons to grow some balls and do something about a big faction.

7 way gank wil not change anything about that, therefor this update failed even before it was released

you talking about balls? You are a faction hopper that look always to be in a top faction without been part of their work.If vicious lose his #1 spot you simply will look for a excuse to RQ and apply to the top guild , same has you do in all your ex- factions.

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/7328/bandwagon.jpg

TwentyTwoTwo - Raging Tide

WvWvW.

Brillance - Raging Tide

Doqui - Raging Tide wrote: »

Why do anything about vicious, people can just sit on their lazy **s and wait for a reset.


The whole "big faction killed TW" is bullcrap. simple fact is, reset killed TW becouse there is absolutely 0 reasons to grow some balls and do something about a big faction.

7 way gank wil not change anything about that, therefor this update failed even before it was released

Its not bull ****. China doesnt have a reset system like ours - all major updates are said to stem from the Chinese game.

I think it will change things, but I could be wrong. Im hopeful anyway. A 7 way gank skims that huge faction down considerably - but really doesnt do all that much to skim down that big faction's challengers - unless it was an alt faction to begin with.

It may take time for smaller factions to skrimp & save to get up the Ten Million Big Notes where they are comfortable to bid - but just the idea of that day being possibly on the horizon is exciting in itself.

If the smaller factions are smart (and most of them are), they are/will be forming their alliances now, while others are still in 'denial'. ^^

LolYesImMad - Raging Tide

TwentyTwoTwo - Raging Tide wrote: »

WvWvW.

^ b:dirty

Doqui - Raging Tide

Vicialchemis - Raging Tide wrote: »

you talking about balls? You are a faction hopper that look always to be in a top faction without been part of their work.If vicious lose his #1 spot you simply will look for a excuse to RQ and apply to the top guild , same has you do in all your ex- factions.

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/7328/bandwagon.jpg

all my ex factions?

i've only been in QQme untill i got fed up with the bullsh*t your officers where giving us.

but it's oke Spell, i was the only 1 leaving becouse of that reason, so it must have been my mistake

/sarcasm

Vicialchemis - Raging Tide

Doqui - Raging Tide wrote: »

all my ex factions?

i've only been in QQme untill i got fed up with the bullsh*t your officers where giving us.

but it's oke Spell, i was the only 1 leaving becouse of that reason, so it must have been my mistake

/sarcasm

why you keep saying i am spell? Was your ex-hubby? I not even in the same faction has him.
i am a alchemist , see my picture >>>>> http://www.atalude.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/pimp-ed-7.jpg and i dislike vicious officers and elvenne. Rest of the members are cool except of boog...

Elvenne - Raging Tide

Vicialchemis - Raging Tide wrote: »

why you keep saying i am spell? Was your ex-hubby? I not even in the same faction has him.
i am a alchemist , see my picture >>>>> http://www.atalude.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/pimp-ed-7.jpg and i dislike vicious officers and elvenne. Rest of the members are cool except of boog...

No one in Vicious likes you! Cuz your Dumb!

Vicialchemis - Raging Tide

Elvenne - Raging Tide wrote: »

No one in Vicious likes you! Cuz your Dumb!

http://i.qkme.me/3535jq.jpg

Nuff_Said - Raging Tide

Bottom line, 7 way ganks negated the need for map resets. To even enjoy a 7 v 1 we will have to wait for 7 weeks into the Map reset at the earliest.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide

QQme officers should have realized that they did something wrong when the faction Zoo was made.

ReVrEhYsIOmA - Raging Tide

_Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

QQme officers should have realized that they did something wrong when the faction Zoo was made.

IDK i think qqme officers on that time was the current zoo officers, qqme have new officers and leadership

ObviousAlt - Raging Tide

Zoo was around way back when Shamoke and Mio used to crash Infamy vs QQme in DT
they went through a few guilds b4 getting to qqme and then back to Zoo

b:bye

calmincense

"i think qqme officers on that time was the current zoo officers, qqme have new officers and leadership"

this is true, I can attest to it. None of the QQme officers have been in their positions for more than a few months. We're all still struggling with the internal issues and working out a fluid plan. I'm sure we have the newest officers of all the TW factions.

seeler

TruthWarren - Raging Tide

QQme's outcome doesn't surprise me. It wasn't supposed to last this long anyway. Their main goal when the faction was formed (if I remember correctly) was to take down Infamy, the biggest landholding faction at the time. QQme was successful due to the surprising support they received and the members that joined. Then, of course, they let the power go to their heads and now here we are. I have one question though. So let's say you take down Vicious. Then what? Some other group is going to take their place. That's assuming you guys can even work together. Everyone is too busy trying to play leader or hop on the bandwagons to actually put forth enough effort to cooperate and work to make something great.