Venomancers is there anything you envy about other caster classes?

uncleblademaster

Anything?


Also posted in other sections to get other point of views. Lol

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Mystic's pet heal, it heals the same but is much faster. Other than that, not really.

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear

AoE pet skills

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They envy us.

BungaSakura - Raging Tide

mystic. why?

1. heal skill have fast channeling.
2. mystic pet give good damage to boss

i wanna have pet that able to give magic damage by using skill and auto attack.

akosireann

thumbs wrote: »

They envy us.

They do, until they hit 100...

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akosireann wrote: »

They do, until they hit 100...

Then they're not so smart. =P

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear

akosireann wrote: »

They do, until they hit 100...

Find me another caster class that is prefered to standard Nirvana excpet Veno.

This applies to FF , Warsong , BH100.

Venomancer just has to work for his/her reputation , the nthe fanbase becomes large.

to OP as and addition to my first post , i would love skills that affect both us and out pet just like Natural Synergy. Pets seems really distant from veno , they should be modernised a bit.

Other than that i never had any complaints. I can DD , tank , debuff , lure , heal myself both in MP and HP , seal and do both types of dmg using a bigger selection of skills compared to other casters.

That is why veno is the only caster i still play

dupethefile

The only thing i envy other class, is the myst. Why?

They are a copy of us, they have a copied pet heal skill from us but very much fast (imagine me, healing my pet with 0.5 channeling). And their summons can buffs them, our pets can't, they have summons that hit a lot in caster nirvana,Cragg hit 50k (what?), and the worst of all, their summons can attack in AoE.
Yes, our pets are outdated.

SoulNala - Raging Tide

I just wish we had one more good AOE attack, make frost scarab to make it more useful hehe

X_volcano_y - Harshlands

i envy psys reflect working in pvp.
mystic pets skills.
i am satisfied with my heal pet except it will make things easier tanking some bosses and the mp penalty is enough for me.
Bottom line we venos pride ourselves being the best although that might not be correct in everything.

Viper_girl - Heavens Tear

I envy the Mystic pet automatic leveling!

tweakz

dupethefile wrote: »

They are a copy of us, they have a copied pet heal skill from us but very much fast (imagine me, healing my pet with 0.5 channeling).

I've never felt the need for faster pet heal skill for veno. I would much prefer the much lower mp cost of veno pet heal which can be used for chi gain w/o much or any MP cost.

And their summons can buffs them, our pets can't

Natural Synergy - makes you and your pet immune to movement debuffs

they have summons that hit a lot in caster nirvana,Cragg hit 50k (what?)

I wonder why I see Mystics using Cragg there and still: Most of the time Cragg is doing melee: there is a long CD for his mag skills. 50k does not come close to making Cragglord worth the waste of 2 sparks.

Mystic lacks:
900% weapon dmg bonus from Celestial Eruption.
Ranged AoE they can lure safely with (like in BH Metal)
Simpler (less timing dependent) MP recovery skill
Ability to 1 up others of their class by training / leveling their summons
Pet customizing
Utility in traditional Nirvana
Fox Melee and phys AoE
Caster casted AoE that doesn't **** off the melee in the squad

I'm sure there's more, the point is that each have their strengths and weaknesses. My preference for use is the Mystic because it enables me to change the outcome of a squad with the ability to heal/ protect and better keep my own toon alive.

TattooAngel - Archosaur

Viper_girl - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I envy the Mystic pet automatic leveling!

I second this. I envy this as well. They can fc and never have to worry about their pets.

Desdi - Sanctuary

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Mystic's pet heal, it heals the same but is much faster. Other than that, not really.

This.
It was kinda sad that I had to gather so much -% chan gear just to be able to effectively heal my pets, the hercules especially, to be able to tank stuff but then came the mystics who not only max out their heal skill very early but they also channel really fast.

I don't care that their summon heal costs most MP. MP stopped being a problem long time ago.

Regenbogen - Lost City

any caster class: low cooldown single target or aoe heal

why petheal if the pets die from a 1shot or 5hit/s anyway?

tweakz

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

This.
It was kinda sad that I had to gather so much -% chan gear just to be able to effectively heal my pets, the hercules especially, to be able to tank stuff but then came the mystics who not only max out their heal skill very early but they also channel really fast.

I don't care that their summon heal costs most MP. MP stopped being a problem long time ago.

Because out dd'ing wizards counts for nothing? -lol

If MP isn't a problem; you're not using Myriad and passing sparks enough.

Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary

tweakz wrote: »

Because out dd'ing wizards counts for nothing? -lol

If MP isn't a problem; you're not using Myriad and passing sparks enough.

I squad with Desdi a lot, if ANY veno I know/squadded with utilises all her skills to the max, it's her.
MP isn't a problem because there is such a thing as mpfood.

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear

tweakz wrote: »

Because out dd'ing wizards counts for nothing? -lol

If MP isn't a problem; you're not using Myriad and passing sparks enough.

You do realise you are the only one who finds your statements funny right ?

and

It's called MP potions / charms

Why , you are soooo bright sometimes aren't ya

Lucrecia - Momaganon

tweakz wrote: »

I wonder why I see Mystics using Cragg there and still: Most of the time Cragg is doing melee: there is a long CD for his mag skills. 50k does not come close to making Cragglord worth the waste of 2 sparks.

You are wrong. The CD isnt so long, you can spawn ca 6 x skills while hes out. Each skill did in my early 80s about 15 k damage. While they are in CD his meeles hit like 3-6k.
Hes pretty good for killing groups.
15k x 6 = 90k +
damage from burn effect +
3k x ca 5-10 times depending on mobs/boss/mode hes on = min 15 k
Means hes doing on "bad" days about 105k while out, and i didnt count the burn damage yet. Oh and I have the numbers from my own myst, who has cragg on lvl 3.

Back to topic, i think the mystics pet heal would make a veno a bit too overpowered, at least a herc veno xD Because, the mystics heal is superfast and supermanaburning. And since the summons arent tanks, summon heal is hardly used in higher lvls. Mystics dont have mana gaining skills like venos till 79 what means theyre not using it too often ...

A herc veno with mystic heal would be the best tanks besides preeetty good barbs:
Always enough mana (or nearly always) + fast and good heal + tank pet could survive even pole easily.

What I want for venos is:
An AoE-pet
A skill who reduces chan OR int for venos since they are already doing horrible damage in fox form for a short period of time.
Some more normal AoEs wihtout freeze or debuff
A skill that doesnt draw aggro like AS .

dupethefile

tweakz wrote: »

I've never felt the need for faster pet heal skill for veno. I would much prefer the much lower mp cost of veno pet heal which can be used for chi gain w/o much or any MP cost.

If we can cast more fast, we can get a chi more fast, and heal more fast, will make a herc more able to tank some TT bosses

tweakz wrote: »

Natural Synergy - makes you and your pet immune to movement debuffs

This is one skill, the only thing that i envy very much the myst is his pet interaction increased, the pet buffs him, he can transfer mp for the pet(summon), the summon gain stats according from the mystic stats, if a nix could gain stats from a full r9 veno, so the fenix will be invencible.

tweakz

Lucrecia - Momaganon wrote: »

You are wrong. The CD isnt so long, you can spawn ca 6 x skills while hes out. Each skill did in my early 80s about 15 k damage. While they are in CD his meeles hit like 3-6k.

15k x6 is a waste of 2 sparks; and that's not including the greater dmg a Mistress could have done in that time. Melee hits 3-6k on phys immune boss?

Back to topic, i think the mystics pet heal would make a veno a bit too overpowered, at least a herc veno xD Because, the mystics heal is superfast and supermanaburning.

It wouldn't make it over powered because there's almost no need for it. It would be over kill.

And since the summons arent tanks, summon heal is hardly used in higher lvls

Yep wasn't tanking half the bosses in FF, BHD in OHT, or the last boss of Caster Nirvan with a Mistress. -Or did I?

A herc veno with mystic heal would be the best tanks besides preeetty good barbs:
Always enough mana (or nearly always) + fast and good heal + tank pet could survive even pole easily.

Herc can't hold aggro even if I atk/heal/atk/heal combo, can't survive the common 5k aoe, can't hit from range, can't be purified, and if a good veno can't keep it alive; I doubt a mystic would.

Lucrecia - Momaganon

tweakz wrote: »

15k x6 is a waste of 2 sparks; and that's not including the greater dmg a Mistress could have done in that time. Melee hits 3-6k on phys immune boss?

Lol when did we start to talk about phys immune? And yeah Mistress damage is good but just not in the range from a cragg. And she has a long cooldown, only one AoE and no, she would NOT do greater damage. And 2 sparks arent a big deal to a good mystic.

tweakz wrote: »

It wouldn't make it over powered because there's almost no need for it. It would be over kill.

Not in fc bosses, but for higher bosses there is a need of it. And there is a big difference in spamming 5 skills and then need to heal the pet or to spam 15 skills and let the pets hp drop to 5% because your better heal takes only a sec to cast.

tweakz wrote: »

Yep wasn't tanking half the bosses in FF, BHD in OHT, or the last boss of Caster Nirvan with a Mistress. -Or did I?

And why didnt you tank yourself? Taking less damage with more hp and cheaper heal? to let the weaker summon tank and heal her instead of let her dd and also do gret damage yourself ? Its pretty uncommon to let the pet tank if its not a phys enemy.

tweakz wrote: »

Herc can't hold aggro even if I atk/heal/atk/heal combo, can't survive the common 5k aoe, can't hit from range, can't be purified, and if a good veno can't keep it alive; I doubt a mystic would.

Lol you just said there wouldnt be a need to heal.Of course a herc cant hold aggro from pure dds like sin or wiz.. But as a Veno you should be able to let the herc grab aggro and to dd without being attacked. And with a Myst heal your pet can survive debuffs easily, and so can you. A mystics pet heal is manaburning, but stronger than a venos. Get over it.

Oh and i didnt know a veno can draw aggro from a wood immune boss?

Regenbogen - Lost City

tweakz wrote: »

Herc can't hold aggro even if I atk/heal/atk/heal combo, can't survive the common 5k aoe, can't hit from range, can't be purified, and if a good veno can't keep it alive; I doubt a mystic would.

^This

Lucrecia - Momaganon wrote: »

Lol you just said there wouldnt be a need to heal.Of course a herc cant hold aggro from pure dds like sin or wiz.. But as a Veno you should be able to let the herc grab aggro and to dd without being attacked. And with a Myst heal your pet can survive debuffs easily, and so can you. A mystics pet heal is manaburning, but stronger than a venos. Get over it.

to be more exact a lv 101 herc cant even hold aggro to a lv8X, <2aps sin on a lv? boss...b:quiet

how will your super ultra awesome pet heal make a herc survive a debuff that gets him 1shoted? b:question

Desdi - Sanctuary

I was talking about pet heal solely and I'm also talking about way back before I actually hit 100, getting -chan back then wasn't easy. Let's just say, it left a bitter taste in my mouth when I played Mystic.

I guess I should also mention that I still like to solo stuff so the herc is still useful for me >.>

That and, I rarely wear my -chan neck/belt/cape anyway since most of the time I need the HP/defence.

By the way, I know why summon heal is the way it is and I find it perfectly normal. I simply stated how I felt since that's what the topic's about anyway o.o

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Lucrecia - Momaganon wrote: »

Lol when did we start to talk about phys immune?

caster nirvana derp, or are you wasting resources on the mobs in Vampires lair instead of letting DB or Vortex do the job?

And yeah Mistress damage is good but just not in the range from a cragg.

Mistress isn't taking breaks to do no dmg whatsoever on boss. Open butt; remove head. Higher hits don't equate to better dd.

And she has a long cooldown, only one AoE and no, she would NOT do greater damage. And 2 sparks arent a big deal to a good mystic.

trololol

Baby_pho - Heavens Tear

i love my venos the way they are. There skills i wouldnt change except making bramble able in pk. not talking about the new morai skill.