How many Chienkun Stones to transfer refines from G15 to G16?

Nael - Dreamweaver
Nael - Dreamweaver Posts: 200 Arc User
edited August 2012 in General Discussion
So I'm trying to G16 my G15 bow and I want to transfer the +10 refine...

Now according to the chart here:
http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Chienkun_Transfer_Charts

It should be 149 for just refines, but a friend tells me the chart is wrong, and should actually be the same amount as R9, which is 238. I asked about it on WC but nobody could give me the exact number.

So can anybody confirm if I'm screwed?

Edit: Before anybody tells me to go and see at the forge, I'm still lacking the mold to do so (which, if I might add, needs higher drop rate).
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  • Fail_BM - Raging Tide
    Fail_BM - Raging Tide Posts: 929 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I just checked this, yes, you need 238 chienkun stones to transfer only +10.
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  • Nael - Dreamweaver
    Nael - Dreamweaver Posts: 200 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Okay I finally got the mold to check the actual amount of stones required.
    The forge says 149 stones to transfer +10. I'm not sure what's going on, but people are giving different information about this.

    Can I get a GM to answer, friend of mine had to use same amount of stones required for R9 for his G15 sling but my bow requires less stones as listed on the chart (someone edited now). I myself sold the Chienkun stones I had because I assumed it was 238 stones and was going to refine from scratch.

    One theory we came up with was that unbound Lunar G15 requires less stones than bound TT G15 weapons (which my friend had)...I hope this isn't the case because that would really be stupid.
  • XCurse - Dreamweaver
    XCurse - Dreamweaver Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Nael - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Okay I finally got the mold to check the actual amount of stones required.
    The forge says 149 stones to transfer +10. I'm not sure what's going on, but people are giving different information about this.

    Can I get a GM to answer, friend of mine had to use same amount of stones required for R9 for his G15 sling but my bow requires less stones as listed on the chart (someone edited now). I myself sold the Chienkun stones I had because I assumed it was 238 stones and was going to refine from scratch.

    One theory we came up with was that unbound Lunar G15 requires less stones than bound TT G15 weapons (which my friend had)...I hope this isn't the case because that would really be stupid.

    ty hun for bringin that on i was about to start a new thread.
    if somone got g15 TT based with refines and got mold +badges please post how many stones you need to transfer w/e refines u got. i am pretty sure it's another bug of pwi. tt nirvy and lunar nirvy should have the same amont of stones to transfer.
  • _Ghoul_ - Lost City
    _Ghoul_ - Lost City Posts: 973 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    they are not the same lets talk armor pieces if i was to buy the tt00 it come around 15-35milj i seen in lost.

    lunar top is not sold so we have to make it twice wish coem to around 50milj gathering the mats needed so in hell they should be the same then maybe you should force ppl to have the same prices so mats on lunar dont get as high as they are atm.
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Fail_BM - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I just checked this, yes, you need 238 chienkun stones to transfer only +10.

    Nael - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Okay I finally got the mold to check the actual amount of stones required.
    The forge says 149 stones to transfer +10. I'm not sure what's going on, but people are giving different information about this.

    Can I get a GM to answer, friend of mine had to use same amount of stones required for R9 for his G15 sling but my bow requires less stones as listed on the chart (someone edited now). I myself sold the Chienkun stones I had because I assumed it was 238 stones and was going to refine from scratch.

    You people need to make up your minds >:O

    So its 149 for some weapons and 238 for others? wtf...
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  • XCurse - Dreamweaver
    XCurse - Dreamweaver Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    _Ghoul_ - Lost City wrote: »
    they are not the same lets talk armor pieces if i was to buy the tt00 it come around 15-35milj i seen in lost.

    lunar top is not sold so we have to make it twice wish coem to around 50milj gathering the mats needed so in hell they should be the same then maybe you should force ppl to have the same prices so mats on lunar dont get as high as they are atm.

    they should not have different refine transfer cost. for lunar it cost more just b/c people dnt do lunar often and prices did not drop as TTs and you already get unbound gears from lunar that's alone is enough.

    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You people need to make up your minds >:O

    So its 149 for some weapons and 238 for others? wtf...

    can you people post screen shots insted of just talking b:surrender i have friends that got TT g15 and and lunar g15 soon i'll get both screen shots and post them.
  • Nael - Dreamweaver
    Nael - Dreamweaver Posts: 200 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Well here's my proof
    http://i50.tinypic.com/1zd55wg.jpg

    Unbound Lunar G15 bow, +10, 149 stones...and I was told 238.
  • Astraea - Raging Tide
    Astraea - Raging Tide Posts: 544 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    perhaps they were talkign about the total cost of refine + socket + gem? because what i see is: 149 + 67 + 20 = 236 total
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  • Nael - Dreamweaver
    Nael - Dreamweaver Posts: 200 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Astraea - Raging Tide wrote: »
    perhaps they were talkign about the total cost of refine + socket + gem? because what i see is: 149 + 67 + 20 = 236 total
    Fail_BM - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I just checked this, yes, you need 238 chienkun stones to transfer only +10.

    Also notice that in my original post I did not mention how many sockets or what kind of gem I have on my bow. Just that it is +10.

    And it's not just from this topic either, several sources have said 238 and some others said 149.
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Any proof out there for 238 / higher than expected chienkun cost?
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  • XCurse - Dreamweaver
    XCurse - Dreamweaver Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    ok got my friend to post both costs and it's alot cheaper for lunar idk why b:angry
  • jtaooo
    jtaooo Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
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  • jtaooo
    jtaooo Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
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    Lunar Nirvy Dagger +12 transfer only cost 500 chienkun stones

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    TT Nirvy Dagger +12 transfer cost 800 chienkun stones


    the amount of chienkun stones should be same, since they r both g15.

    Hope this will help to others ppl to keep an eye when u r gonna transfer.
  • TempleSlave - Lost City
    TempleSlave - Lost City Posts: 324 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Hahahaha... PWI is trolling everyone for more money. Absolutely hilarious.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    jtaooo wrote: »
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    Lunar Nirvy Dagger +12 transfer only cost 500 chienkun stones

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    TT Nirvy Dagger +12 transfer cost 800 chienkun stones


    the amount of chienkun stones should be same, since they r both g15.

    Hope this will help to others ppl to keep an eye when u r gonna transfer.

    Crazy devs...
    Does this lunar / TT difference apply to armors as well?
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  • _Skai_ - Raging Tide
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide Posts: 3,407 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Wow, either PWI is just trolling for more money since everyone more or less went the TT route since it's cheaper to farm it, or this is a mistake and they should probably fix this.
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  • VenusArmani - Dreamweaver
    VenusArmani - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,009 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Eh, might just be there way of getting people to do lunar more often. Who knows. Hopefully the gms will look into that. :\
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  • Nael - Dreamweaver
    Nael - Dreamweaver Posts: 200 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Wow, either PWI is just trolling for more money since everyone more or less went the TT route since it's cheaper to farm it, or this is a mistake and they should probably fix this.

    G16 weapons have been nothing but money grab. With such high stone cost to transfer refines, and more stone requirement for each reroll, and the fact that one attempt to refine takes 5 mirages, it's obvious these are meant to either get players to buy Chienkun stones or drive their fortune to the ground. And a rushed job at that too.
  • XCurse - Dreamweaver
    XCurse - Dreamweaver Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Crazy devs...
    Does this lunar / TT difference apply to armors as well?


    pretty sure it's the same thing with armor too. my firend been transfering +10 lunar armor at lower chienkun cost. i can post both TT and Lunar armor soon once i get 30 badges


    VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Eh, might just be there way of getting people to do lunar more often. Who knows. Hopefully the gms will look into that. :\

    Lunar mats were never rare. there are cuple of people do lunar in 2x it just not as doing TTs and Nirv. if you look arround you will see shops with 50x of ea essences and over 20 of crystals.
    this has nothing to do with having lunar or tt or they would have made lunar cost less going from g13 to 15. and to make g16 cost same as transfering r9r is just stupid in first place
  • gouraudpalm2
    gouraudpalm2 Posts: 72 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    It cost more gold to transfer than upgrading from +0
  • XCurse - Dreamweaver
    XCurse - Dreamweaver Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    gouraudpalm2 wrote: »
    It cost more gold to transfer than upgrading from +0

    that might be right for armor if you good at refining with mirages and aid stones. but for weapon it's not.
  • Nael - Dreamweaver
    Nael - Dreamweaver Posts: 200 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    gouraudpalm2 wrote: »
    It cost more gold to transfer than upgrading from +0

    Honestly, at 5 mirages per try and assuming you want at least +7 with just aids, that point is debatable.
    Between xCurse and myself, there have probably been over 5000 mirages that went into refining my bow (that's about 1000 attempts as opposed to 2500 attempts for a regular weapon), but it's still at +0 and thousands more of mirages may be needed. I've never actually gone bankrupt in this game from merely refining a weapon until now, and the used-to-be ridiculous costs of +6 and +7 orbs are looking attractive right about now.

    Edit
    P.S. Can we please get a GM to confirm already if this is intentional or just a bug...
  • XCurse - Dreamweaver
    XCurse - Dreamweaver Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Nael - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    P.S. Can we please get a GM to confirm already if this is intentional or just a bug...

    I already sent a ticket. since I've already used chienkuns on my TT g15 weap b:sad will let you know if that a bug or intentional b:lipcurl

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