Unique add-ons debuffs/attacks

Ray - Momaganon

I've been searching in the endless thread of recasted r8 and such but I couldn't find anything clear...

From PWpedia: "Unique addons only apply to weapons, and non-magical weapons at that. These adds have a certain proc-rate that determines how often the add will take affect. These only apply to regular attacks."

There is a unique addon, God of Frenzy (zerk), that works with phy based skills.

My question is, do the other unique addons like Thunder Strike, Square Formation work with phy skills aswell?

I got told by an archer that Spirit Blackhole only works on shooting normal arrows, he thinks. Did anyone test this?

Decus - Dreamweaver

Ray - Momaganon wrote: »

I got told by an archer that Spirit Blackhole only works on shooting normal arrows, he thinks. Did anyone test this?

Yes it has been tested and your friend is quite mistaken. Search around the archer forum.

Roslol - Harshlands

Partly true. Purge/S.BH proc will only activate on attacks that do not have an external effect. Internal effects like demon QS/sage BoA will still work, but stun, STA, DoT etc will not, that is unless they miss. A missed shot will not carry damage nor effects but can still purge.

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear

Ray - Momaganon wrote: »

I've been searching in the endless thread of recasted r8 and such but I couldn't find anything clear...

From PWpedia: "Unique addons only apply to weapons, and non-magical weapons at that. These adds have a certain proc-rate that determines how often the add will take affect. These only apply to regular attacks."

There is a unique addon, God of Frenzy (zerk), that works with phy based skills.

My question is, do the other unique addons like Thunder Strike, Square Formation work with phy skills aswell?

I got told by an archer that Spirit Blackhole only works on shooting normal arrows, he thinks. Did anyone test this?

Magical weapons can get Unique add-ons as well. Any DIRECT damage of any kind can cause a proc and in some cases receiving damage can activate the proc, depending on what the add-on is. Things like DoT damage itself will not cause the proc to activate, however the skill that gives the Applied effect can. For example, having an archer use serrated arrow or vicious arrow can cause a purge proc but the poison/bleed ticks will not. And at the above post, depending on what the skill is yes misses can proc the skill if it is a self applying proc, if it is a proc that activates on the target like purge a miss will no trigger the proc.

Roslol - Harshlands

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

And at the above post, depending on what the skill is yes misses can proc the skill if it is a self applying proc, if it is a proc that activates on the target like purge a miss will no trigger the proc.

No, just no. Vicious and serrated both cannot trigger purge proc unless they miss. Any missed shot can trigger purge proc.

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear

Roslol - Harshlands wrote: »

No, just no. Vicious and serrated both cannot trigger purge proc unless they miss. Any missed shot can trigger purge proc.

I'm pretty sure I know my archer more then you. I've never had a missed attack cause a purge proc. Ever.

Roslol - Harshlands

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm pretty sure I know my archer more then you. I've never had a missed attack cause a purge proc. Ever.

No you don't. If you did you'd know that purge will not proc on vicious or serrated.

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear

Roslol - Harshlands wrote: »

No you don't. If you did you'd know that purge will not proc on vicious or serrated.

The DoT damage will not but the skill itself will. Please stop posting from an unknown face you lose all your credibility when you do so.

Roslol - Harshlands

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The DoT damage will not but the skill itself will. Please stop posting from an unknown face you lose all your credibility when you do so.

You lose all credibility when you claim you can purge with DoT skills that hit.

unceuncerave

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Magical weapons can get Unique add-ons as well. Any DIRECT damage of any kind can cause a proc and in some cases receiving damage can activate the proc, depending on what the add-on is. Things like DoT damage itself will not cause the proc to activate, however the skill that gives the Applied effect can. For example, having an archer use serrated arrow or vicious arrow can cause a purge proc but the poison/bleed ticks will not. And at the above post, depending on what the skill is yes misses can proc the skill if it is a self applying proc, if it is a proc that activates on the target like purge a miss will no trigger the proc.

^ This

Roslol - Harshlands wrote: »

You lose all credibility when you claim you can purge with DoT skills that hit.

^ Random non-faced troll who just started posting this month who has no clue what he is talking about

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

For Purge Bows:
Any ranged attack that does not impart it's own debuff is able to purge.
That excludes: Aim Low, Stun, Blood Vow, Thundershock, Frost, Vicious, Serrated, Inferno, and Whisper Shot. Also Wingspan and Winged Pledge are excluded since those are pure melee attacks (they also trigger bramble damage).

I'm not sure if knockback arrow can purge or if stun / aim low can purge if they fail to proc.

Sac Strike only works for melee based physical attacks so if there was a Sac Strike bow or if an archer uses another Sac Strike weapon the only skills that would benefit would be Wingspan and Winged Pledge

Roslol - Harshlands

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Also Wingspan and Winged Pledge are excluded since those are pure melee attacks (they also trigger bramble damage).

Not quite. Winged pledge can purge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beTUbgcT244&feature=player_detailpage#t=257s

@two fail archers, I have evidence of stun miss purging, but I don't feel like shifting through over 3 hours of TW footage to prove two idiot wrong.

Roslol - Harshlands

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9ese3zxa1Q&feature=player_detailpage#t=377s

Purge on missed shot. Still can't find the footage of purge on missed stun. If you can't see it FRAPS it and play it back frame by frame. It purges on the 2nd miss.

Roslol - Harshlands

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm pretty sure I know my archer more then you. I've never had a missed attack cause a purge proc. Ever.

unceuncerave wrote: »

^ Random non-faced troll who just started posting this month who has no clue what he is talking about

Burn clueless fanboy.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Roslol - Harshlands wrote: »

Not quite. Winged pledge can purge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beTUbgcT244&feature=player_detailpage#t=257s

@two fail archers, I have evidence of stun miss purging, but I don't feel like shifting through over 3 hours of TW footage to prove two idiot wrong.

Ya just retested pledge and noticed that it actually doesn't trigger bramble damage like wingspan does. I could have sworn it did. That means only wingspan counts as a true melee attack and pledge is really a ranged attack which should mean it purges.

Roslol - Harshlands wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9ese3zxa1Q&feature=player_detailpage#t=377s

Purge on missed shot. Still can't find the footage of purge on missed stun. If you can't see it FRAPS it and play it back frame by frame. It purges on the 2nd miss.

I'm not sure thats a purge on miss shot. In PWI the damage is shown when an attack animation connects but the actual proc happens at the very start of the attack animation before you see the damage. That is why you can stun a lvl 1 mob and actually see the mob stunned before it falls over dead. This weird delayed damage is what allows you to kill people after they are already dead (like how you were 1k'd from RB Delta).

In this case I think the purge belonged to the normal attack that did 2737 damage.
Going frame by frame while looking at the character animation you can see the purge happened on the second arrow after the quickshot.

Roslol - Harshlands

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

In this case I think the purge belonged to the normal attack that did 2737 damage.
Going frame by frame while looking at the character animation you can see the purge happened on the second arrow after the quickshot.

For the normal purge animation the animation usually ends on the shot that is being displayed. By my reckoning that's the 2nd miss.

On the frame when the purge proc animation is just about finished the hit that landed hasn't appear in the damage log nor on-screen.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Roslol - Harshlands wrote: »

For the normal purge animation the animation usually ends on the shot that is being displayed. By my reckoning that's the 2nd miss.

On the frame when the purge proc animation is just about finished the hit that landed hasn't appear in the damage log nor on-screen.

First off the 327 damage belongs to the stun arrow right?
After the stun arrow was a quickshot normal hit normal hit.
There were 2 misses after the stun arrow which belonged to the quickshot + first normal hit.
The second normal hit then was the source of the 2737.

Here check out my annotation of what is happening.
http://imgur.com/a/zcj0e

For me to be convinced missed shots can purged it would have to be a stand alone shot without any follow up shots since debuffs appear before damage appears.