Grade 16 Awakened Lionheart gear for barb

PaYwil - Heavens Tear

Hi all my barb friends.

I would like to find out if the grade 16 gear is worth it for the barb? i cant find it on pwcalc.... i know the Bonus for the Grade 16 set is better than r8 recast... I have the Full TT99 set already and will be cheaper for me to obtain the Grade 16 gear..... What i need to know from all barb lovers will it be worth getting it? ( no i cant afford R9 )

kind regards
PaYwil

Maelael - Heavens Tear

It's not in pwcalc, but is in PWI Database now. Some are hard to find cause theyre listed weird, but this should help:

http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/32525

Someone else made this in another thread:

http://pwcalc.com/3622dc99736fc30a

Its on a BM build, but from what I saw its average-ish stats for N3.


BM wise, R9 vs N3, R9 seems to be about 10% better. But, if you don't care much about rerolls or adding sockets, N3 is 54% cheaper.

Defense wise I had a fight with a 6th grader on meth in another thread. It really comes down to defense levels in TW. All that extra Mdef and Pdef is easily debuffed in TW/PK. R9 has greated Def levels, N3 has better base Pdef and Mdef.

If you mostly PvE with your barb non-aps, N3 is great. Go for it. If you do APS, really the Attack levels from N2 is better.

It's also kinda fun to farm, especially with friends (40 runs exactly before I got my damn fists mold).

Warsong:
-Warsong is your best bet for badges. 6 per run at a cost of 120k to open.
-Lots and lots of people run this daily on our server for the weapon/helm/cape drops.
-Everything you want mold wise drops here. Lunar is only really run for Defense Essences.
-Essence of Offense is still running 5-6m.

Lunar:
-Lunar is like 3 badges per run, really 2 cause most people dont bother with the first boss.
-Expect 3m a Defense essence, as that is the price to open Lunar. Usually the rule is if someone pays for the open they keep the Defense essence.

Loot in both:
-Set clear expectations ahead of time, there has been a lot of ninja looters and scammers lately.

PaYwil - Heavens Tear

well i dont PvP at all its more for PvE and TW. Rank 9 is way out for me and i did look at the stats for Grade 16 gear and ( i think ) its better than rank 8 recast i am a str/vit barb and will always be ( barb till I die :P ) thank you for your input

Kind Regards
PaYwil

Maelael - Heavens Tear

PaYwil - Heavens Tear wrote: »

well i dont PvP at all its more for PvE and TW. Rank 9 is way out for me and i did look at the stats for Grade 16 gear and ( i think ) its better than rank 8 recast i am a str/vit barb and will always be ( barb till I die :P ) thank you for your input

Kind Regards
PaYwil

FYI, Rumor is they may upgrade the stats on R8r soon. http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1377491

However the cost on R8r is insane (weapon is worth it), and the stats will still be behind N3 even with the upgrade.

But yea if you're STR/VIT N3 would be the cheapest way to go armor wise. Get a N3 or N2 weapon, and save up for R8r Def level weapon.

Good luck to Insanity in the coming TWs and next season. I'm seeing a lot of semi-old schoolers and some decent geared people in it as of late.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

I'm doing this without seeing a pwcalc, so it's kind of... all theory.

I made a post on effective health for R9 a while back, asking if JoSD were really better.

Basically, vit multiplies the defenses or your armor while JoSDs cover what your armor doesn't. So as armor defenses get higher and higher vit stones become more effective as defense multipliers and JoSDs become less effective because they have less to reduce (in PvE. In PvP they will always work towards reducing attack levels of your opponent first.) I'd have to dig up the post but vit stones had a more effective hp than JoSDs. That's not the whole picture, since obviously if a 30k barb with defense levels has about the same survivability as a 40k barb without them, the 30k barb is easier to keep healed and pots, paint, charm ticks all do more for him. Still it showed a trend that if defenses on armor keep getting higher vit stones will become better.

And here's where this applies. R9 is a little bit better for a few reasons. Defense levels, -int for chi gain, attack levels. The R9 weapon is no doubt better. But! T3 vana has higher base defenses and benefits more from vit sharding than R9 would. Also, in PvE, adding 2 def levels when you already have 20 from R9 only gains you 1.1% more reduction from each JoSD so oddly enough JoSD would also be better in G16 than in R9.

Not to give more questions than answer, but alot of it would depend on how you're sharding and how high you're willing to refine before you can really say how much better one is than the other.

PaYwil - Heavens Tear

hmm okay so i will only probably refine all my gear to +7 and try better it from there. I will be happy with 25k hp at first ( i am demon but will convert to sage ) yes +10 vit stones will be sharded but ofc not from the word go. Have to try farm some of it. I am not planning on being a 40k+ hp barb but i just want to be well geard.

Thank you for all the good wishes for Insanity


www.pwcalc.com/62e5b9a1ee5afeeb ( current gear self buffs only )

Kind Regards
PaYwil

Deago - Lost City

PaYwil - Heavens Tear wrote: »

hmm okay so i will only probably refine all my gear to +7 and try better it from there. I will be happy with 25k hp at first ( i am demon but will convert to sage ) yes +10 vit stones will be sharded but ofc not from the word go. Have to try farm some of it. I am not planning on being a 40k+ hp barb but i just want to be well geard.

Thank you for all the good wishes for Insanity


www.pwcalc.com/62e5b9a1ee5afeeb ( current gear self buffs only )

Kind Regards
PaYwil

I changed your gears around to full +10 with vit stones and so far with this you could almost possibly hit 40k hp but i added NV helm, and full awakened armour with r8 recast wep.

http://www.pwcalc.com/0e689c88f74c562b

PaYwil - Heavens Tear

yeah that will be my endgame ( future ) gear... will that be good gear for PvE and TW? as a cata barb?

Kind Regards
PaYwil

BloodTyrant - Raging Tide

PaYwil - Heavens Tear wrote: »

yeah that will be my endgame ( future ) gear... will that be good gear for PvE and TW? as a cata barb?

Kind Regards
PaYwil

yes, nirvana t3 is a great endgame gear, and really good for catas, also t3 is now the second best gear in game, losing only for r9(including r9r/r9r2) on bonus and refine, besides giving great stats, like lots of str and dex, allowing you to restat to minimun str and dex required to use gears, and send every point left to vit, technically a t3 barb, with luck, can have more hp than a r9 one, equally refined and sharded, and the best of all, the gear can be totally farmed, tt99/g13/g15/g16, with patience and hard work right? well im a lazyass b:chuckle so i cashed lol b:surrender

PaYwil - Heavens Tear

Thats interesting to know.... and yeah im a lazyass too but almost farmed my 1st piece ( 250 cannies ).

Ty for all the replies i got my answer Stage 3 nirvana it is

Kind Regards
PaYwil

WnbTank - Archosaur

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

BM wise, R9 vs N3, R9 seems to be about 10% better. But, if you don't care much about rerolls or adding sockets, N3 is 54% cheaper.

Defense wise I had a fight with a 6th grader on meth in another thread. It really comes down to defense levels in TW. All that extra Mdef and Pdef is easily debuffed in TW/PK. R9 has greated Def levels, N3 has better base Pdef and Mdef.

You do realize if X = Y then X/2 = Y/2. Your point of debuffing defenses is plain stupid if we discount HF. Yes, it`s obviously simplifying math quite a bit but there is a difference in adding 300 defenses to 3k or 10k to make the point, which you completely ignore. And no, I`m not going to teach you math after 16h day at work.

Ps. To be more specific, damage reduction isnt a line but a curve.

-"6th grader"

laloner

WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »

You do realize if X = Y then X/2 = Y/2. Your point of debuffing defenses is plain stupid if we discount HF. Yes, it`s obviously simplifying math quite a bit but there is a difference in adding 300 defenses to 3k or 10k to make the point, which you completely ignore. And no, I`m not going to teach you math after 16h day at work.

Ps. To be more specific, damage reduction isnt a line but a curve.

-"6th grader"

I thought the point was that nothing can debuff defense levels.

PaYwil - Heavens Tear

this is not a flaming thread so stop it if he was wrong in your opinion state it and give your opinion around the topic.

I will be going Stage 3 nirvana

Kind Regards
PaYwil

BloodTyrant - Raging Tide

PaYwil - Heavens Tear wrote: »

this is not a flaming thread so stop it if he was wrong in your opinion state it and give your opinion around the topic.

I will be going Stage 3 nirvana

Kind Regards
PaYwil

well said sir, well said!

WnbTank - Archosaur

laloner wrote: »

I thought the point was that nothing can debuff defense levels.

Actually defense levels cant be, the equation can be. As math works, you can multiply, if you are only multiplying in whatever order you want. So to simplify it. We got basic equation X for R9 and Y for N3. If X = Y then X * 0.5 (50% defense debuff) = Y * 0.5. That though aint completely true as by my understanding defense wont up add in linear manner and thus 50% Debuff on p.def wont change 80% reduction into 40%(Least I`m quite doubtful of it happening). One would have to test the defense reduction with debuffs and I cant bother playing with calc for it.

You cant debuff defense levels itself but you can debuff defenses which def levels affect. They are no separate entities but connected. And actually the dmg reduction from N3 nirvy cant be debuffed if I`m not mistaken. I mean the "reduces physical dmg taken by X%". The debuffs become relevant with demon HF (and sage?) as it completely kills defenses and there defense levels wont disappear.

The reason why def levels are so good is compared to hp as hp can be purged while def levels cant be. And actually, same goes with defense buffs but I cba to do the math if there is advantage for either option with purging.

witniss

laloner wrote: »

I thought the point was that nothing can debuff defense levels.

Sacrificial slash, spirit bore

laloner

witniss wrote: »

Sacrificial slash, spirit bore

Thats reduces levels by the same amount regardless of how many the target has. It debuffs using defense levels, but it does not debuff defense levels.

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear

laloner wrote: »

Thats reduces levels by the same amount regardless of how many the target has. It debuffs using defense levels, but it does not debuff defense levels.

What's the point, though? They both reduce defense levels by a set amount (even though it depends on the opposing seeker's Def Levels with SS), which means 3rd stage Nirvana users get affected more by them since it will most likely put their Def levels in the negative.

But, to be fair, Def level debuffs are not quite as common as physical or magic defense debuffs.

witniss

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

What's the point, though? They both reduce defense levels by a set amount (even though it depends on the opposing seeker's Def Levels with SS), which means 3rd stage Nirvana users get affected more by them since it will most likely put their Def levels in the negative.

But, to be fair, Def level debuffs are not quite as common as physical or magic defense debuffs.

I was simply stating that defense levels can be debuffed.