Grinding your gears, what class does it?

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

AlysonRose - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Archers that use punching weapons. If you don't get why, then you probably are one.

depends really
depends on how much -intervall gear you stacked

i manage to tank (using gorenox vanety) in 90% of all squads when i play archer..
unless there is someone else doing the same, with better gear or equal gear and higher lvl

the healing effect of those fists+ demon spark healing adds to defensive ability
and some bosses hit harder ranged as well, especially when your pdef is almost double of your mdef


i do not see a point of using "punching weapons" pre-99 when you are
1. sage, 2. have no intervall gear or only one, 3. no int fists

Xilplxim - Dreamweaver

Fail_BM - Raging Tide wrote: »

Xilplxim - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I am pure vit, why does barb let me tank in delta? QQ

Anyways, I hate when the barb only knows how to pull but doesn't try to tank ANYTHING. I have know a few barb who can hold DDs aggro without problem there, but they are just too lazy to use more pots. They rather let the seeker have a 300k repair bill after a successful full delta SP...

btw, QQ

Im level 90 and you wouldnt be able to keep agro from me if youre vit build. I dont care how much you paid for your gear.

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

learn how to use the quote-feature, guys

AshenSkies - Heavens Tear

I hate wizards. Especially those with +2 gear and 3k HP at level 100.

shotwhointhewhat

Hands down, the worst player I have ever squad with was a pure human form axe barb in BH69. The main reason we asked for a barb in WC was because nobody in our squad could tank the bosses.

I thought he just preferred human because he would use tiger to run up to mobs and then switch to human form and attack. Was like.. ok.

When we got to the boss, he did it just like the mobs. I pulled Pyro then he ran up in tiger then popped up in human form, sparked, then started attacking.

Boy, he was going to town. Penetrate armor, slam, *BAM* mighty swing like a boss.

I was like, "...uhhh. You going to tank that boss in tiger before the rest of us jump in?"

Barb responded, "I don't have tiger skills. I am not a tank barb."

After some QQ/wtf comments from the squad, we reluctantly joined in the fight. He couldn't hold aggro and the squad wiped.

Squad raged then disbanded.

That's all I got to say about that.

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear

Why all the QQ about Clerics and Chromatic? .... Demon Chromatic on my Cleric with a +6 R8 weapon heals for over 5k. I love it I spam that shyz all day long in place of BB, because at least when doing that I c an switch heals like my sexy Stream of Rejuvination on someone taking a lot of damage. Versus BB where I am stuck and watching people's charms tick like mad because its just not enough.

What I hate the most? People that tell me how to play my own class, and QQ about about how I play. Or Venomancers that don't use Foxform... I will RAGE you, I swear it. Use your skills people! Other then that.. eh I just let noob players die and leave the party.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Why all the QQ about Clerics and Chromatic? .... Demon Chromatic on my Cleric with a +6 R8 weapon heals for over 5k. I love it I spam that shyz all day long in place of BB, because at least when doing that I c an switch heals like my sexy Stream of Rejuvination on someone taking a lot of damage. Versus BB where I am stuck and watching people's charms tick like mad because its just not enough.

What I hate the most? People that tell me how to play my own class, and QQ about about how I play. Or Venomancers that don't use Foxform... I will RAGE you, I swear it. Use your skills people! Other then that.. eh I just let noob players die and leave the party.

The reason is because chromatic heal is slow channeling which causes unnecessary charm ticks. Nobody mind using their charms when it's needed. You can't be all places at once. But if they are losing coin because the cleric only seems to know how to do one skill, that is very annoying. Chromatic isn't bad in areas where BB is an option, but it is a problem when it's being used in place of other heals that would be more effective. Stream is also a long channeling skill. SO while nice, its situation and often an ironheart blessing and wellspring would be better. BB on the other hand reduces the damage by half for all people so it's preferable in certain situations even if chb would heal more. Because it's difficult for the player to handle the high damage in the first place. If they could cut that damage in half, then all they'd need is a crab meat.

Highlighted part is kinda ironic. Just as you know the importance of fox form skills, sometimes people want you to do certain things because they know it would be more effective. I'm always open to advice so long as its not done in an obnoxious manner and is sound advice.

_blood_rain - Sanctuary

sins. Just, in general. ****ty sins because they are ****ty, and good sins because they still pk on the class despite having the mental capacity to realize how OP it is.

In general nothing really bothers me about the other classes, except if there's a complete idiot playing them, and sometimes that doesn't bother me either(mostly if they are in the opposing faction in TW)
Psys: dont have issues with em really, except high soulforce+seal
Clerics: little to no issues
Barbs: where?
Archers: too many, R9 archers who suck
Mystic: ****ty mystic+ thicket+initiate skill spam+my apoth/genie on cd= humiliating defeat
Seekers: they are fairly ignorable
Wizards: spark =.=
BMs: Name too long, otherwise nps, they bell me
Veno: Too sexy, its distracting. Id say puffbird skill but thats just too amusing too hate.

Yea, I dont really PvE anymore.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »

sins. Just, in general. ****ty sins because they are ****ty, and good sins because they still pk on the class despite having the mental capacity to realize how OP it is.

What about us good sins that don't pk?

_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »

In general nothing really bothers me about the other classes, except if there's a complete idiot playing them, and sometimes that doesn't bother me either(mostly if they are in the opposing faction in TW)
Psys: dont have issues with em really
Clerics: same
Barbs: where?
Archers: too many, R9 archers who suck
Mystic: ****ty mystic+ thicket+initiate skill spam+my apoth/genie on cd= humiliating defeat
Seekers: they are fairly ignorable
Wizards: spark =.=
BMs: Name too long, otherwise nps, they bell me
Veno: Too sexy, its distracting. Id say puffbird skill but thats just too amusing too hate.

Yea, I dont really PvE anymore.

What is it about psys that are so unnoticeable in PvE? XD

_blood_rain - Sanctuary

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

What about us good sins that don't pk?

Oh, well I didn't put much consideration into pve lol, I only pve for base/morai/ event cards these days x.x

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Sin in PvE? I hate sins in general, but the one that tell in BH they can go solo the guard and tell the rest of the squad to go continue to clear, than the sin die making all the squad need go back to ress him and kill the guard, i don't care if a sin cannot solo a guard, but don't lie pretend you can if you can't, don't make people loose time.

Or the stupid sins with 3-4k hp that will 3 sparks non stop, steal boss aggro and blame the cleric for die while he got 1-2 shot, cleric can't do nothing if you get one shot, healing mean restore HP not give you more HP than you have, if your gears suck it's your own problem, learn your damage to don't steal aggro if you cannot survive 1-2 shot.

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Sin in PvE? I hate sins in general, but the one that tell in BH they can go solo the guard and tell the rest of the squad to go continue to clear, than the sin die making all the squad need go back to ress him and kill the guard, i don't care if a sin cannot solo a guard, but don't lie pretend you can if you can't, don't make people loose time.

Sometimes mistakes happen.

Or the stupid sins with 3-4k hp that will 3 sparks non stop, steal boss aggro and blame the cleric for die while he got 1-2 shot, cleric can't do nothing if you get one shot, healing mean restore HP not give you more HP than you have, if your gears suck it's your own problem, learn your damage to don't steal aggro if you cannot survive 1-2 shot.

My personal experience is actually slightly different. In my experience, it's the BMs that do this. I've been to multiple Seats, where the BM pulls aggro from the barb because all they're doing is autoattacking, then they die. Then the barb ends up pulling the boss to the entrance of Seat while we wait for the BM to get back.

And really, the Nirvana farmers are literally breeding people into being high DPS, low HP with their selective squads.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

Sometimes mistakes happen.

I see that too much often to just be a mistake.

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

My personal experience is actually slightly different. In my experience, it's the BMs that do this. I've been to multiple Seats, where the BM pulls aggro from the barb because all they're doing is autoattacking, then they die. Then the barb ends up pulling the boss to the entrance of Seat while we wait for the BM to get back.

And really, the Nirvana farmers are literally breeding people into being high DPS, low HP with their selective squads.

As far as i know from my own experience as cleric, bm have better survivability than sin and are able to survive more than 1-2 hits by the boss. Bh snake as example, 9 times on 10 i do it the sin die while no one else die including the bm. How many sins i saw rage cause they die get tele at start and people don't wait and kill the boss, i never saw that happen to a bm.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

I see that too much often to just be a mistake.

If you have low hp you have to do it carefully because if you pull wrong you can't take the damage from the mob and the guard. So it's easy to mess up at that point. So often it's not that they can't, it's just easy for them to mess up and they did. Usually this has been the case in my experience.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

As far as i know from my own experience as cleric, bm have better survivability than sin and are able to survive more than 1-2 hits by the boss. Bh snake as example, 9 times on 10 i do it the sin die while no one else die including the bm. How many sins i saw rage cause they die get tele at start and people don't wait and kill the boss, i never saw that happen to a bm.

In my experience this more likely happens when Snake isn't killed fast enough. The sin is often going all out so that the boss dies fast, but everyone else holds back so as to not get aggro. So instead of dying in a couple of seconds, the boss takes a bit longer than the sin can handle. It also happens often when sins try to use this method when enough pavilions haven't been soloed instead of adjusting their strategy. I've started carrying both blessings in my bag and adjust my strategy based on the overall dps of the squad. Solved my problem. That's been my experience with it.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If you have low hp you have to do it carefully because if you pull wrong you can't take the damage from the mob and the guard. So it's easy to mess up at that point. So often it's not that they can't, it's just easy for them to mess up and they did. Usually this has been the case in my experience.

In my experience this more likely happens when Snake isn't killed fast enough. The sin is often going all out so that the boss dies fast, but everyone else holds back so as to not get aggro. So instead of dying in a couple of seconds, the boss takes a bit longer than the sin can handle. It also happens often when sins try to use this method when enough pavilions haven't been soloed instead of adjusting their strategy. I've started carrying both blessings in my bag and adjust my strategy based on the overall dps of the squad. Solved my problem. That's been my experience with it.

For the guard like i said i don't mind if a sin can't do it, but i prefer him to say he can't, it's like someone that never openned a caster nirvana and beside ask how will randomly choose the wrong npc. I prefer someone saying ''i never done that what i need to do?'' or ''i'm not sure i can solo the guard can you guys come'' than someone saying nothing and do the wrong thing.

Barson - Raging Tide

HexOmega - Dreamweaver wrote: »

->
clerics who die when a mob barely looks at them
then blame others
GET A GENIE -> LEARN EXPEL or ABSOLUTE DOMAIN = DONE <


->
clerics who dont heal themselves and only use aoe heal in fc knowing well they are going to die to the second boss aoe
unable to hit a single IH on themselves..
then DIE, RESPAWN
meanwhile others hold the boss and tick
Cleric returns and dies to the first aoe cause he didnt heal and buff up after reviving


->
Clerics who only heal seekers/bms/barbs, even if they have lower hp than the dds
"seeker/bm/barb tanks, stop dd so much"



i hate fail clerics, i hate fail clerics, i hate fail clerics
im glad i have a wide variety of pro cleric friends for high lvl instances




SEEKERS
+1 lvl70 sword, lvl90, 3k hp
"i tank, lolz"



MYSTICS
"we dont need a cleric! i can heal"

*puts up healing plant and dds*





ASSASINS

>i haz 2k hp and no defense, lets go all out and dd as much as i can!
*dies in 1 second* "cleric sucks!"



>
request: "LF AOE DDs for Xy"
assasin: "ASSASIN, i have aoes!"
answer: "assasins are no aoe dds"
assasin: *links +12 daggers*

STILL NO AOE DD, +5 seeker does a better job than you



BARBS

> why do they hate buffing?

lmao loved it all so ill explain the buffing thing for u
1 soon as barb log on the game ANYWHERE always some *** that pm or sends random squad invite for buffs
2 we just get in cave an sins spam squad chat an his pm asking for buff like the barb wasnt goin to
3 the one we hate the most is when we about to buff an (most likely its the sin or the bm ) takes off an miss but then QQ they didnt get buff so now we have to hit a mana pot so we can buff u since u wont wait for our mana to recoverb:angry

Fail_BM - Raging Tide

Xilplxim - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Fail_BM - Raging Tide wrote: »

Im level 90 and you wouldnt be able to keep agro from me if youre vit build. I dont care how much you paid for your gear.

I had to pay hours of ingame work. It was so expensiveb:chuckle

And you are still lvl 90, at lvl 100 you will see what I am talking about. It's fairly hard to hold seeker's aggro in delta if you don't do some thicks.

Joshcja - Sanctuary

_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »

Oh, well I didn't put much consideration into pve lol, I only pve for base/morai/ event cards these days x.x

I has pro sin and I dont pvp >.< nor will I ever do so on it

Though tbh its utterly pointless to pvp at all on this game w/o rank 9

Slegtst - Dreamweaver

Ok, saw this topic for the first time a few days ago, and i thought it was about what class is best at grinding for gear... xD

There can never be a single most annoying class. The idiot cleric who puts up rb after i spark probably has alts at wich he/she sucks equally hard. So its all about the person clicking the mouse/buttons rather then an ingame class.

I dont get annoyed easily while playing PWI. Well not annoyed by other players. b:chuckle

But there are things that make me think "is this run over yet? "

Sins who dont bp me after im ressed. Personally, when some1 goes down and gets ressed, they get bell from me before they typed the first letter of the sentence "can i have bell-buff?"
Thats how i roll, so thats not what i expect from everyone. But if i ask for bp repeatedly and still dont get it.... well then i will be in the centre of the squad, not ahead of it.
Some sins i party alot with dont bp me just to mess with me because they know how big of a bp-ho i am. :P

Archers with that lvl100 curse skill [Bloodvow?]
That skill is pretty nice, but pls let me know in advance when you're going to use it. I think it has a 10 minute cooldown, so wasting it is abit of a...waste.

BM's and multiple HF's at the same time. I do this myself 2 btw, so yes im pointing fingers, but also towards myself. :P
It happens when i forget to pm the other bm in the squad about who is going to use HF first. Only applies to a limited amount of bosses since most bosses drop withing 9 seconds.
On WB's for example. Used to be a time i hunted WB's with a party of 3. Sin, bm and myself. Dropping HF after every1 sparks really speeds things up. I dont remember the precise rotation, but if all goes well 18 seconds of every minute are HF-ed while at least 2 of the 3 ppl are in triple spark mode.
But when in a BH squad or whatever regular type of thing, pulling out them axes is usually sign enough for the other bm to just spark and save hf.

Oh, that WB party was a party of 4. Forgot the cleric. b:surrender

Edit: what really makes me sad is ppl linking their own weapon when shouting for ppl for a certain BH.
Really cool that you have G13 +10 daggers, but what good are they to me?
More sad is pm-ing these people and asking why they are linking their own weapon when shouting for members, only to get blacklisted.

MageMERC - Harshlands

As a cleric, this may be a good time to remind ya'll of something:

WE ARE SLOW - DONT RUN A MILE AHEAD OF ME, DIE AND COMPLAIN SOME SH.IT LIKE "DO WE HAVE A CLERIC IN THIS SQUAD"

Which is what happened yesterday.

If you bm's decide to run so far ahead of the cleric, then decide you can aggro 4 mobs (in Abaddon this was) then die, dont blame me.

If you felt like asking, I didnt have my holy path genie on because my other one has AD, expel and cloud eruption, so I use that.

The only people that annoy me are people ragging on me because of their mistakes or lack of understanding.

EDIT - the other thing that annoys me is that no-one has bought me res 11. You should. Its of no benefit to me.

Slegtst - Dreamweaver

There is nice apo for that.

But you're right, if a bm rushes into a group and dies, he has no reason to QQ.
I rush into groups, and if i dont have bp and notice that the cleric isnt here yet, i just run towards to cleric.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

I personally have holy path on all genies, i know i'm slow as cleric, sometime what i do too is i cast some IH to the person killing the mob and i move in front to take advance, some cleric stay behind and IH during all the mob and start move after the mob die.

SoniMax - Sanctuary

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

What about us good sins that don't pk?



What is it about psys that are so unnoticeable in PvE? XD

we so pr0
But srsly there still arent many psy imo and most people dont get the chance to squad with many of us so they see a good psy and thats the only psy they are gonna see for the week lol

It breaks my heart when i see a PSY lf FCC heads to buy who will turn to be 100+ some day and will go Soulburn, Red Tide and use Diminished Vigor on the bosses in casters nirv(true story) and won't have any sage skills or even worse be a demon psy b:laugh

D_u_s_t_y - Archosaur

-Clerics who dont even buff themselves vsing melee mobs (ive seen it on my other accs) and also ones who dont buff anyone for no paticular reason. i try to buff everyone i see i mean im new to the game and to supporting since this is the 1st game i have played where i can support on) by new only been playing for less than 2 months.
-People who die and go afk so i wasted time casting revive on them.
-as to the whole running a mile infront us clerics only seen that once luckly know one died (but yeah were slow i man my holy path is only lvl 3.
-Never had a problem with the other classes all the ones ive seen pretty much know what there doing.
-Trying to buff and the person is running away from you
Although im betting once i get further i will start to notace more people messing up. gladly for me im not seeing as many clerics now

Xilplxim - Dreamweaver

From Fail_BM:

I had to pay hours of ingame work. It was so expensiveb:chuckle

And you are still lvl 90, at lvl 100 you will see what I am talking about. It's fairly hard to hold seeker's aggro in delta if you don't do some thicks.[/QUOTE]




I apologize for my gear comment it was out of line. I should never pass judgement on anyones style of play. Ive been playing mmos for way too long and sometimes mouth speaks before brain thinks.

My issue with vit build seekers is that without an agro holding skill I cant see us being a tank. Since Ive started playing I havent been sold on seeker being a tank. At best I see us as back ups in case something happens to the barb.


My quote failed. lol

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The reason is because chromatic heal is slow channeling which causes unnecessary charm ticks. Nobody mind using their charms when it's needed. You can't be all places at once. But if they are losing coin because the cleric only seems to know how to do one skill, that is very annoying. Chromatic isn't bad in areas where BB is an option, but it is a problem when it's being used in place of other heals that would be more effective. Stream is also a long channeling skill. SO while nice, its situation and often an ironheart blessing and wellspring would be better. BB on the other hand reduces the damage by half for all people so it's preferable in certain situations even if chb would heal more. Because it's difficult for the player to handle the high damage in the first place. If they could cut that damage in half, then all they'd need is a crab meat.

Highlighted part is kinda ironic. Just as you know the importance of fox form skills, sometimes people want you to do certain things because they know it would be more effective. I'm always open to advice so long as its not done in an obnoxious manner and is sound advice.

The second part was a joke about people QQing about how I play... lol. People mostly only QQ about the gear I wear on my Veno, but there are right and wrong ways to play no matter your class.

As for your statements, uhm, what? Stream is not a long channel at time, and wiht proper -channeling in your gear it shouldn't matter. BB is useful in a few places RBs (FCs at lower levels), Higher level instances like AEU and Warsong... but to be frank... Seeing people using BB in places like BH99s or in a place where the boss only knocks it down anyway is silly, a waste of sparks that could be used for sparked heals etc. I'm not saying BB is all wrong, but to be honest I find it kind of lazy and BB does NOT work as completely intended that -50% damage is I'm not sure that number is correct. Could be but either way, I much more preffer to be free to change targets at any time with my heals then be stuck in BB. BB also has a very long cooldown and needs two sparks to cast, so there are many a time when something goes wrong you are SoL.

Slegtst - Dreamweaver

Snake.

Was waiting for the veno to lure those humanoids that cancel bb. Can do it myself, but rather save genie for spark+hf. Well, the veno didnt lure because the veno didnt have a pet. When i asked about this, it was because that veno was made for Nirvana, and that veno did not need a pet.

Aight, cool, please stick to Nirvana then.

Went from simply asking in a nice way about things to the fact i was trying to stun the mobs. When i asked how this was relevant, i got nothing. Yeah i was trying to stun the mobs that cant be stunned. I do this all the time. Gets no1 killed, so just giggle and move on. :P

No but really, a veno without a pet made just for Nirvana in a BH Snake? b:sad

PheosNyx - Sanctuary

I'll tell you what grinds my gears - playing barb for any squad that involves +10 r8 or r9, especially in delta. Regardless if they're noob or not, if they have that kind of gear they're always taking aggro from my alt barb (which I made to help people who cant find a tank for delta/tt in faction). He's not rank at all and he uses my bm's tt90 gold sac axes so he simply can't compete - but - I've been in several deltas where as soon as the mobs spawn people are laying down barrages and run out to spawn and do DB's and **** like that, yet they BEGGED me to bring my barb instead of my r9 wiz that I'd enjoy playing for 2 hours. They just wanted the buffs (and my buffs are only lvl 10). I put lot of time and effort into raising him the old fashioned way (pre TB) and now people treat him like ****. I've had to roll a sin for TT and a seeker for delta to continue "tanking" when people ask for a "tank."

So all in all, what grinds my gears? Players with endgame gear who are rude. :l

Slegtst - Dreamweaver wrote: »

No but really, a veno without a pet made just for Nirvana in a BH Snake? b:sad

Seriously....? I made a veno strictly for vana but i have a kowlin that I use to pdef debuff in case we're in a clericless/barbless squad without access to an armor break (Mine's demon so ironwood/myriad doesn't always proc z.z). A veno should ALWAYS have a pet at least in the bag otherwise they're gimping themselves. <.<

FragiIe - Dreamweaver

MageMERC - Harshlands wrote: »

As a cleric, this may be a good time to remind ya'll of something:

WE ARE SLOW - DONT RUN A MILE AHEAD OF ME, DIE AND COMPLAIN SOME SH.IT LIKE "DO WE HAVE A CLERIC IN THIS SQUAD"

Which is what happened yesterday.

If you bm's decide to run so far ahead of the cleric, then decide you can aggro 4 mobs (in Abaddon this was) then die, dont blame me.

If you felt like asking, I didnt have my holy path genie on because my other one has AD, expel and cloud eruption, so I use that.

The only people that annoy me are people ragging on me because of their mistakes or lack of understanding.

seen this too many times and agree...not your fault..let em **** all they want b:laugh

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

MageMERC - Harshlands wrote: »

nie on because my other one has AD, expel and cloud eruption, so I use that.

are you serious? or trolling?


you are a cleric and actually have a genie without holy path?
you also mean to tell me you cant switch genies while not in combat?



you do deserve to be called fail cleric then, lol



*edit

its easy to fit holy path, expel, cloud eruption and ad on a genie, where is your problem?