If a random person pretends to make gear with your mats for you

gyroki
gyroki Posts: 450 Arc User
edited July 2012 in General Discussion
If a random person pretends to make gear with your mats for you, how much in-game legal certainty do I have?

3rd cast nirvana gear (awakened gear) is tradable, if you don't equip it or make it with lunar nv gear.
If you ask in word chat for someone who has the mold and the basic badges to make 3rd cast gear for you. And then you trade the 2nd cast gear, the coins + essence of defense to the person and he/she is running away with it. Do GMs react fast, if you sent them a screenshot? Will you get your stuff back? Within how many days normally? Is a screenshot necessary? (I suppose they have the chat and trading protocols anyway?)

2nd question: how much coins would you take/pay to make gear for someone? (= How much is 3rd cast gear mold + 30 basic badges worth on your server?)
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  • Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands Posts: 7,231 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    When i craft something for someone i don't ask any money (except the cost of the make the thing or if the person make me waste 50-100k on teleport).

    I would not world chat for find someone to craft something that worth so much.
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  • blondecherry
    blondecherry Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Common sense should tell you not to trust a random stranger with your very expensive mats. I suggest you ask a faction member, or simply upgrade your own skills.
  • Valirah - Sanctuary
    Valirah - Sanctuary Posts: 522 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    blondecherry wrote: »
    Common sense should tell you not to trust a random stranger with your very expensive mats. I suggest you ask a faction member, or simply upgrade your own skills.

    Problem isn't skills, but having the required mold and badges, which are untradeable and only attainable by doing numerous Adv Warsong/Lunar runs.

    Going with someone you don't know is very risky. At the least I'd find someone who is well known (even if not by you directly) and has a good reputation. Don't give your loot to some no-name shmuck no one has ever heard of. Chances are much greater that they won't care much for damaging their rep, since no one knows who they are anyway.
  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    gyroki wrote: »
    If a random person pretends to make gear with your mats for you, how much in-game legal certainty do I have?

    0

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  • Slegtst - Dreamweaver
    Slegtst - Dreamweaver Posts: 595 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I took the gamble with my Striking Dragon. Didnt have the required blacksmith skill at that time. I was standing at center arch looking for BM's wearing Striking Dragon with their own name on it. The person i picked was also a faction leader.
    I asked him if he could make me my fists and he was willing. Talked abit about the fact that the trade would be a gamble on my side. He agreed. I also told him i was taking screenshots of the conversation. Only to trash him to social death in wc if he was to run off. :P

    He crafted the fists and traded them back to me.

    Made my G16 myself, but i have also made some G15/G16 for other people. Factionbuddies, friends on my list and people i know by name becauses i played alot with them in the past.

    Just to be safe i always tell them that if i might dc after the trade, i will be back within the minute. Worst case i get some sort of net troubles. In that case i would make a post on this forum about it asap. I also advise people to take screenshots of the conversation and the trade.
    Totally not to send to GM's if things go wrong. Thats useless.
    No its just so they have the ability to completely trash me in wc or on forums, with some proof.


    In the end it remains a gamble. If the person walks off with the mats after the trade, well, its your bad, and thats that.
  • gyroki
    gyroki Posts: 450 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Slegtst - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    In that case i would make a post on this forum about it asap. I also advise people to take screenshots of the conversation and the trade.
    No its just so they have the ability to completely trash me in wc or on forums, with some proof.
    Naming isn't allowed in forum. And that's one of the few things they reallly enforce very fast.
    Slegtst - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Totally not to send to GM's if things go wrong. Thats useless.
    I would always sent a ticket to GM. G16 gear is worth 100$+ and weapons way more. And in-game scamming is clearly against ToS:
    Terms of Service wrote:
    10. User Conduct
    (j) Engage in any actions that defraud or attempt to defraud, scam or cheat others out of any items that have been earned through authorized game play;

    I would just like to know which experiences others have made till now - after they got scammed and sent a ticket.
  • MageMERC - Harshlands
    MageMERC - Harshlands Posts: 1,600 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Anyone on HL can pm me at any time to make anything up to and including level 7 crafts because I'm trying to make enough stuff to get to 8. I've been playing 3 years, feel free to ask around, I've not ripped anyone off in that time and I dont plan on starting now.
  • Nenor - Dreamweaver
    Nenor - Dreamweaver Posts: 534 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    gyroki wrote: »
    Naming isn't allowed in forum. And that's one of the fiew things they reallly enforce very fast.

    I think he was referring that he would post on the forums if he was crafting something, had net issues and couldnt get back in-game to give the item to whoever he was crafting it for.


    Slegtst - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Made my G16 myself, but i have also made some G15/G16 for other people. Factionbuddies, friends on my list and people i know by name becauses i played alot with them in the past.

    Just to be safe i always tell them that if i might dc after the trade, i will be back within the minute. Worst case i get some sort of net troubles. In that case i would make a post on this forum about it asap. I also advise people to take screenshots of the conversation and the trade.
    Totally not to send to GM's if things go wrong. Thats useless.
    No its just so they have the ability to completely trash me in wc or on forums, with some proof.


    In the end it remains a gamble. If the person walks off with the mats after the trade, well, its your bad, and thats that.
  • Empu - Sanctuary
    Empu - Sanctuary Posts: 1,154 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    blondecherry wrote: »
    Common sense should tell you not to trust a random stranger with your very expensive mats.

    This, and like some others already said, GM's won't react or get your stuff back. If you give a random person expensive stuff, you will have the risk of having him/her running away with it.

    In the case of G16 molds, it's the only way to "buy" the item. But imo, that gear was intended for those who already got to great gear, to farm themselves something even better based on their own work. For me, that is the reason the last recast is rather cheap and the molds not tradeable (and a response to those who asked high-end gear not being cashshop only). Unfortunately, for lunar nirvana there is a way to get around this inconvenience.

    If you don't want to risk losing your stuff with a stupid action (and then rage at GMs for yourself loosing a gamble), either try to get the mold and badges yourself or inform your friends you are interested to buy if they get lucky.
  • Slegtst - Dreamweaver
    Slegtst - Dreamweaver Posts: 595 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    gyroki wrote: »
    I would always sent a ticket to GM. G16 gear is worth 100$+ and weapons way more. And in-game scamming is clearly against ToS:
    The person who reads your ticket about this will call collegues to laugh at you.

    Again, if YOU deceide to HAND OVER mats to someone, that is YOUR choice.
    As i said its a gamble, and if the other person deceides to run off, thats is YOUR mistake, since YOU trusted him.

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