Aoe grinding drops reduced?

camcoooos

I have not played for a couple years, but a few weeks ago i started a cleric. I am now in my 60s aoe grinding on poison mobs. My question is, was aoe grinding drops reduced? I might get 1 dq drop every 20 mobs, its pretty sad. This goes for both the 60 and 72 mobs. I heard that PW reduced aoe drops in Forsaken World. Did they do that here?

Kilala - Lost City

the dev's make it really hard for non cash shoppers to make money in game.simple as that.

Regenbogen - Lost City

Kilala - Lost City wrote: »

the dev's make it really hard for non cash shoppers to make money in game.simple as that.

currently the majority of coins come from perfect token of best luck, bh and tw rewards...
prices would drop to the lower depts if it wasn't for these.

at the same time there are some "merchants" sitting on billions of coins...
controlling the market for profit.

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear

Judging from the AoE grinding I did ~3 years ago with a BM buddy of mine (for exp even b:chuckle), I'd say they definitely reduced the droprates by a significant amount.

_Ernesto_ - Raging Tide

yes, a long time ago, but looking today, right now actually, yes they nerfed the drops, and idk why, anyone is gonna be rich with the DQ drops

Slegtst - Dreamweaver

I used to aoe-grind, alot.
What i noticed was, that the droprate is different during various parts of the [ingame] day. At least it looks that way.
During some 3 hour grinds i got 4 stacks, but when its evening or nighttime ingame, i seem to get a lot less, like 2 stacks in 3 hours.

Tbh, i think its only worth it during 2x, if you are below 100. If you're over 100, there are usually other, better, more effecient ways to farm money.

This still doesnt really anwer your question, but since this is a PWE game, im betting they did nerf the droprate.

Xainou - Sanctuary

Oh look, it's that topic again after 2x ...

ViciousMinx - Dreamweaver

Slegtst - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I used to aoe-grind, alot.
What i noticed was, that the droprate is different during various parts of the [ingame] day. At least it looks that way.
During some 3 hour grinds i got 4 stacks, but when its evening or nighttime ingame, i seem to get a lot less, like 2 stacks in 3 hours.

Tbh, i think its only worth it during 2x, if you are below 100. If you're over 100, there are usually other, better, more effecient ways to farm money.

This still doesnt really anwer your question, but since this is a PWE game, im betting they did nerf the droprate.

Also the element of the mobs/days of the week would figure in to this as well. That's all been changed over the years to the abysmal drop rate we have now. PWE swears the drop rate has not been touched, but coming from a company that has to be told BY PLAYERS whats in their patches, well you get the idea.

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple

ViciousMinx - Dreamweaver wrote: »

... PWE swears the drop rate has not been touched, but coming from a company that has to be told BY PLAYERS whats in their patches, well you get the idea.

+10 to this... If I could get a hold of their current server files I could tell you for sure if they've changed as I still have the original files from when the game was released in beta and could compare.

Kristina_t - Heavens Tear

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Oh look, it's that topic again after 2x ...

What's the best time for PWE to reduce the rates? Right after 2x of course. That way players that don't know any better will say "O look this again" then totally fall for the "2x effect" excuse.

Yulk_owns - Lost City

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Oh look, it's that topic again after 2x ...

You must have camped instances way too much. Do you even grind? Apparently not. 2x is not even 2x, it is 1.5x, and drop rate nerfed to 75% while DQ NPC rate is 20% (though DQ points compensate). If you're trolling, then you're not trolling right.

You haven't noticed that even lucky cards from random drops are nerfed as well? Like when you're level 40, you kill 4x mobs, they drop a lucky note (30ish) that may contain level 30 HP pots, MP pots regularly now. IF lucky, you get the potions your level with blemished / rough shards. Same goes for 6x dropping lucky packs (50ish) and 8x dropping lucky box.

2x doesn't solve anything, especially frequently so I agree with you it can be bad, but drop rate should be back to normal like in 2008-2009. I don't think you ever grind in your life. You are stuck in instances after all... Instances are easy to get drops, try killing mobs outside of instances.

Most importantly, almost every player do not grind outside of instances for exp or even coin because of the terrible drop rate.

thumbs

I find superstitious people to be..

laloner

I haven't been playing the game long enough to make historical comparisons but I've always noticed that on my archer using barrage of arrows on a group of mobs doesn't even seem worth it since I would get more drops from killing the mobs one by one. Its been this way in my experience for almost a year now. I still BOA anyway cuz I love aoes, part of why I play my seeker more often now.

Kristina_t - Heavens Tear

thumbs wrote: »

I find superstitious people to be..

Looks like someone has been twiddling themselves way too much again.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »

You must have camped instances way too much. Do you even grind? Apparently not. 2x is not even 2x, it is 1.5x, and drop rate nerfed to 75% while DQ NPC rate is 20% (though DQ points compensate). If you're trolling, then you're not trolling right.

You haven't noticed that even lucky cards from random drops are nerfed as well? Like when you're level 40, you kill 4x mobs, they drop a lucky note (30ish) that may contain level 30 HP pots, MP pots regularly now. IF lucky, you get the potions your level with blemished / rough shards. Same goes for 6x dropping lucky packs (50ish) and 8x dropping lucky box.

2x doesn't solve anything, especially frequently so I agree with you it can be bad, but drop rate should be back to normal like in 2008-2009. I don't think you ever grind in your life. You are stuck in instances after all... Instances are easy to get drops, try killing mobs outside of instances.

Most importantly, almost every player do not grind outside of instances for exp or even coin because of the terrible drop rate.

The OP was talking about the last few weeks. Drop rate hasn't changed in years. Quit comparing it to 2009 and acting like this is a new change. It's not a new change, drop rate is the same as it has been since prior to 2x. It's just easier to notice how lousy it is after 2x is over.

_Ernesto_ - Raging Tide

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Oh look, it's that topic again after 2x ...

is even worse than before the 2x b:laugh i think that u have to go and idk, try to grind, if u remember we get a nerf for the DQ drops once already b:bye before the 2x i was farming like 40-60 dq drops in 30 min, in the 2x like 60-70 and now just like 20 b:shocked

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

_Ernesto_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

is even worse than before the 2x b:laugh i think that u have to go and idk, try to grind, if u remember we get a nerf for the DQ drops once already b:bye before the 2x i was farming like 40-60 dq drops in 30 min, in the 2x like 60-70 and now just like 20 b:shocked

What mob and drop were your farming before and after 2x and did you level?

Yulk_owns - Lost City

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The OP was talking about the last few weeks. Drop rate hasn't changed in years. Quit comparing it to 2009 and acting like this is a new change. It's not a new change, drop rate is the same as it has been since prior to 2x. It's just easier to notice how lousy it is after 2x is over.

You don't seem to get it, you have the same amount of drops. DQ has devalued, yes the amount of drops rate haven't changed. Though when I came back from some months doing IRL things, I noticed that I couldn't get certain items anymore. You haven't tried grinding 4x mobs, 6x mobs or 8x mobs at all? Maybe 1x mobs even drop the lucky packs that most likely level 90 potions as well. They removed some things that dropped from mobs this year. Why don't you try grinding and tell me what did you get from the 1x mobs, and I do not mean bosses in instances that easily drops a lot of stuff. I mean mobs that are outside of instances at 2x, 4x, 6x, 8x, and 10x. It is more noticeable that even lucky packs are changed from drops.

Stash also changed (You can't even NPC those potions from stash for coin anymore as well as the icon changing)

Kristina_t - Heavens Tear

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The OP was talking about the last few weeks.

No they were not.

camcoooos wrote: »

I have not played for a couple years, but a few weeks ago i started a cleric. I am now in my 60s aoe grinding on poison mobs. My question is, was aoe grinding drops reduced? I might get 1 dq drop every 20 mobs, its pretty sad. This goes for both the 60 and 72 mobs. I heard that PW reduced aoe drops in Forsaken World. Did they do that here?

The OP was talking about drop rates now Vs a few years ago when they previously played. Yes they have changed in that time. If you want to believe the company line that drops have not been nurfed I got a nice golden bridge for sale in San Fran you might want to buy.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Kristina_t - Heavens Tear wrote: »

No they were not.



The OP was talking about drop rates now Vs a few years ago when they previously played. Yes they have changed in that time. If you want to believe the company line that drops have not been nurfed I got a nice golden bridge for sale in San Fran you might want to buy.

Well considering the timing of the thread and the fact that they didn't put any kind of numbers from back when they played a few years ago, I'm guessing that they were. But meh, i can see how it can be read that way. I definitely noticed the drop rate reduction some time around the time they created the DQ point system. Considering that the DQ system was introduced and the NPC value decreased, I'm guessing this is also when they nerfed the drop rate of certain items. I can't really recall them ever saying as much but they were specifically trying to combat dq bots and after that people were having trouble dq farming for a living, I'm guessing that this is when it happened. But it has been years since then. And the drop rate has held pretty consistent. Furthermore this thread appears after every single last 2x. Every.Single.Last.One.

Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »

drop rate nerfed to 75%

Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »

drops rate haven't changed.

Pick a position?

_Ernesto_ - Raging Tide

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

What mob and drop were your farming before and after 2x and did you level?

rockenwolfs with this char b:chuckle lvl 84 near of brim link and i dont lvl i was just farming, and its alll that i've done this week

FragiIe - Dreamweaver

drop rates have most certainly changed...it used to be easy to grind out 2-300k an hour as a veno but now i'm lucky if I get 100k in 2-3 hours...i counted once how many mobs i killed before anything dropped...20+ mobs and then i think it was something worthless like arrows. Needless to say I no longer grind for drops on normal or x2 days..just isn't worth the time!

WnbTank - Archosaur

Droprates have changed along the years but I dont think they have done that lately. I did grind on my 6x archer years ago, collecting data of xp gained & DQ drops. My 10x sin gets ~1.5 times the amount of coins from DQ items my archer did back in days in days. I would say the difference in DQ prices is accounted with higher lvl DQ dropping. By my estimation, my sin kills 4x the mobs my archer did in the same time. I really can misjudge my numbers quite a bit but I`m quite sure I cant misjudge enough for the line of "droprates havent been nerfed" to be true.

Banndit - Heavens Tear

I dont' really know myself but from my experience, I don't think they have nerfed drop rate lately. For some reason though, alot of people including myself have question, have they nerfed drop rate for this and that including aoe, tt, nirvana etc.

Having read, the 2 threads below, I suspect that the reason is that, in the short run, their random generator isn't very random or accurate, but in the long run, a 2nd part of the random generator checks the outcome then adjust the odds again to correct things and pay more or less according to the recent result, which means that, things can seem nerfed in the short run but does not in the long run. I could be wrong but thats my suspicion.
"refining for cheach"
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=541751
"+5 Tienkang/Tisha Refining"
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1379261&highlight=refining

From my experience, doing 20-30 min aoe have often make me question if there has been a nerf, but everytime I continue for an hr or more, drop rates seems normal for me so far. Last time I aoe was 6months ago but thats because of the anounced nerfed and the increase in coins in other things like bh.

As for gear refining, I have had my share of bad luck in the short run, but in the long run, the odds seems to correlate with the conclusion in the "refining for cheap" thread. I have successfuly refine everything cheaply as suggested in that thread to +4. As for +5, I'm too impatient to +5 all of my gears atm.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

_Ernesto_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

rockenwolfs with this char b:chuckle lvl 84 near of brim link and i dont lvl i was just farming, and its alll that i've done this week

The real drop rate for tusk from that mob is only 10%. In addition there was a 2x for a few days last week so when you started grinding on the you were likely getting better drops due to that. If in addition you also had some luck before 2x and got decent drops, after 2x it makes it feel as though the drop rate isn't right. This creates the illusion you aren't getting the drops that you are supposed to be getting. It hasn't actually changed though.

jamesstall

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The real drop rate for Blah Blah Blah

This person posts unimportant info in every thread which creates the illusion they have a clue. They are also bumping for a mod position by digging their nose way up the bum of pwi so just ignore them.

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear

Drop rates haven't changed in the last few years. People are just biching to bich. Spoiled on x2 I'd assume. There is no "lowered" drop rate after x2.

/end thread

Xainou - Sanctuary

jamesstall wrote: »

This person posts unimportant info in every thread which creates the illusion they have a clue. They are also bumping for a mod position by digging their nose way up the bum of pwi so just ignore them.

Umad bro?

jamesstall

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Drop Blah blah blah

Another pwi bum kisser wanting a mod slot. Wonder if goons glitchers are allowed to ? Apparently brown nose bum kissing gets them out of trouble for breaking rules so why not.

jamesstall

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Umad bro?

Nope lol how bout you fail troll?

Xainou - Sanctuary

Wohoo, another of those faceless trolls. Not even good, dude, not even any good